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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 23

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/06/2013 23:32

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples' therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change:
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
ColinButterfly · 21/06/2013 23:53

Hey hey vixens, thought I'd pop in because I miss you!

I'm not quite as jubilant as last week, but still very happy. Having a bit of a test at the moment and succeeding. The gorgeous POF fella turned out to be a no-goer BUT whilst I'm not in raptures about not seeing him again, I've not reverted to wanting FW ( I can be single but I like to have an object of affection. Now I don't have one for the first time in forever!). I keep having flashes of 'I'm glad I'm not some screaming nutjob anymore'. it's liberating.

Screwit- mink is right. Everything is a game to FWs. They don't just play to win. They play to destroy and they don't play by any fair rules. Infect the rules change all the time.

horse....I don't know your backstory. I went on ADs when I split up with FW. Needed them to get me through that initial bit. My mood improved considerably but his absence was the biggest help I think. It's amazing how quickly you can recover I think. I'm still on them for the time being because I,m still healing.

Love to all :)

FairyFi · 22/06/2013 00:19

lovely to hear your upbeat Colin and so sturdy sounding over the recent daliance .. you are altogether impressive Smile go girl!

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/06/2013 06:56

Noregrets I'll look that thread up, thanks. When he rings to rant, have you considered just setting the phone down with the line open and letting him rant to air? You can be across the room with a glass of wine and a good book, ignoring it. Grin

minkembernard · 22/06/2013 11:41

as predicted, x has tested to pick the kids up. scant warning and as if last week never happened.

FairyFi · 22/06/2013 12:22

Sad mink I hope this week is better for them Hmm if it goes on they will not want to go soon.

sweetpeasunday · 22/06/2013 13:14

Oh mink, I wish you could just text back 'seriously? FTFO after last week' but you can't, because that is not fair on dcs either. But I do repeat my advice about legal advice, because what if you had organised something, you can't just hang around waiting for him to decide to see them.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/06/2013 13:57

Visiting irritations here too. I'm going to play bingo incognito. Grin

minkembernard · 22/06/2013 19:22

if i had something organised i would just go and do it. in theory this is his day. face like thunder when he picked them up though. same when get brought them back. he is obviously not speaking to me.
oh dear how ever will i cope? Hmm

FairyFi · 22/06/2013 20:30

Mink in theory its his day - its another them day. Its always them day

Bumpstarter · 22/06/2013 21:47

Hi everyone. Lemon drizzled suggested I come on here. I have put my situation on this thread.
I did not come on here because I thought I was just not getting on with my partner. I have been in an abusive relationship when i was 23 and it was classic. So it's been hard to see that this relationship has elements of abuse in it too, because it is absolutely not in the same class.

I am realizing that the first abusive relationship and low self esteem have affected me in a way that makes subsequent relationships fertile ground for abuse even if the other party is not an out and out tosser. It is so depressing. I have been feeling very down today but had a clearing of the air with p, and he has taken the girls to spend the night at his, which gives me a bit of peace.

Btw, does fw mean fucking wanker? I can't read it as anything else?

I will read the thread a bit to catch up with who you are and what your scenarios are... More soon

ColinButterfly · 22/06/2013 21:57

FW is Fuckwit but Fucking Wanker fits too. Welcome xx

Bumpstarter · 22/06/2013 22:07

Thanks Colin.

Bounty... I read about you setting up your new place. It took me a month to actually move into mine. It did not feel like home at all. It was not a secret though, my p knew about it, and actually helped me move the big furniture in, so much less pressured situation. But it took ages to feel comfortable. The breaking point was when I went to visit family for a weekend, and forgot to lock the back door properly, and it flapped open in the wind the whole weekend, but nobody took anything! I couldn't believe it. I thought after that that this place has sheltered and protected me, and so it must be my home. I'm sure you will come to feel like that without doing anything as daft as leaving the door unlocked!

minkembernard · 22/06/2013 23:55

fi you are so right Blush
they were glad to see him and i was trying to not let my panic get to them. first time i have had the panic.

minkembernard · 22/06/2013 23:58

bump welcome. not read your thread yet but just thought i would say hi and sorry you have to find yourself here and that your previous rs has cast a long shadowSad but welcome Thanks

Verygentlydoesit · 23/06/2013 09:05

Welcome bump, I too am sorry you have had to experience things to lead you here, but hopefully you will find it a supportive place. I know I have Smile.

Hugs all round for today ladies. I think Sunday is sometimes a particularly tricky day, so wishing you all a nice, peaceful day.

I have a dear friend staying with me this weekend. He has been very supportive in many ways over the years (with stuff not related to EXP). He's never said a single negative word about EXP in the past, but last night he told me that he's never liked him, and he said some pretty strong stuff about him. All true Sad, but hard to hear Sad. Just in case anyone suspects an ulterior motive, I should add that lovely friend is gay.

It added more truth to the fact that I can't turn back now. I know all the good reasons for not turning back but it feels just such a huge 'thing'. I don't think EXP was abusive as such, but he was selfish, not particularly kind and walked all over me. Dear friend kindly said that I seem to let men walk all over me, despite being a strong woman Hmm, he is right- ouch!

Meanwhile EXP has been nice, cooperative, sad looking when he dropped DS off, and still wants to talk. But I daren't talk, he might confuse me further.

Sorry to rant- I'm realising that this is looking like a bloody long road............

minkembernard · 23/06/2013 09:49

very it is a long road. but it ends up somewhere much better Smile
you don't have to label it abuse if you don't want to. but it is still not something you must or should put up either.

Bumpstarter · 23/06/2013 11:26

Good morning,

I am hoping that if I grab the bull by the horns and explore what happened to me in my 20's, I will overcome my difficulties and become a more loving and consistent parent.

That will be my reward for the loneliness and the pain of acknowledging that 15 years of my life have been based on illusions.

Funnyfishface · 23/06/2013 11:45

Hi everyone and welcome to the new faces. You will get lots of support and hand holding here. Have been reading your posts and keeping up to date with you all.

I had a really hard, exhausting few weeks. 12 days since h left. I will update you all later today.

Thinking of you all xxxx

minkembernard · 23/06/2013 15:18

bump have been to read your thread. firstly dp is abusive. depression does not make you abusive. so if he was depressed he was an abuser with depression. and now he is not depressed he is just a happier abuser. as Lundy says abuse is not about how they feel it is about what they think. he thinks it is ok to be vile to you, to be violent and to tell you what to do and how. yes he is nice sometimes. they are all nice sometimes. because they adapt their behaviour to get what they want. and that makes it worse because it means that when they are nasty it is a choice. they can be nice but they choose not to be.

and yes this is depressing. it is a horrible realisation.

but you can end it just because you are unhappy. that is reason enough. you do not owe him any more chances.

he will not change. if he were going to he would need to apologises completely and absolutely and accept that his behaviour was unacceptable and not in any way your fault and then go and get treatment. and even then he still probably will not change. he is the devil you know and he probably always will be. new guy is an unknown quantity but at least even if you never get it together he has shown you that not all men are horrid and not all relationships are difficult.
so that is one positive.
second positive you have effectively already moved out.

third positive you hAve found a dv program
fourth positive you are as you hAve said still young.

so it is not all depressing news.
onwards and upwards. others will be able to give you more advice on the house etc. you sound justifiably annoyed about that so redressing that maybe an issue you could look at that might make you feel you are regaining control over your own life.
if you decided to tell dp that it is over don't expect him to take it well. make sure you log any incidents with the police as this may help to show you were coerced into leaving your home.

and finally hugs. it is not easy but does get better.

Verygentlydoesit · 23/06/2013 18:07

Struggling, can't find my smile today Sad. I'm even finding it hard put on my brave face for DS, which is so unfair on him.

I can't wait for bedtime so I can crumple, just hope I can hold out until then.

I miss EXP today, I hate myself for it but I do. At least I've not told him.

Apologies for the pitiful post.

TheSilveryPussycat · 23/06/2013 18:21

Oh very no need to apologise. It's quite normal to miss them, annoying though that is. Tomorrow is another day...

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foolonthehill · 23/06/2013 19:03

holding you hand...proferring a hug if needed...getting out will change your life...don;t let anything stop you...there's a whole world out there with lovely people in it...it's waiting for you rose.

FairyFi · 23/06/2013 19:04

Rose This life is not for him, your life is for you hun and you to do what you want to do to feel better, you cannot live it feeling ill. We're all here hun, sending you stength and good healthy feelings to act in your own best interests for you to have much better. xxx

FairyFi · 23/06/2013 19:06

oops some real st r ength... Blush