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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TisILeclerc · 19/03/2013 08:03

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MrsMorton · 19/03/2013 08:15

Are you a closet geordie? Awayer pet.

TisILeclerc · 19/03/2013 09:23

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TheSilveryPussycat · 19/03/2013 09:25

Awayer = further away than away. HTH.

Tis you had to sleep naked Shock For *easy access^? Shock Shock
have to confess that in current ridiculous state of self this could be a turn on with the right person TMI However, Without a Thicker Duvet Sad Sad

MrsMorton · 19/03/2013 09:30

This morning (I sleep nekkid through choice) H brought me a cup of tea (very nice of him) but then pulled the covers back so he could see my "titties" and check for my mobile phone in case I'm texting my "OM"
It was so transparent I almost laughed out loud.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/03/2013 09:56

Oh that's just so repellent MrsM I cringe when I think of some of the stuff fw said to me in a similar vein.

foolonthehill · 19/03/2013 10:40

My first act of rebellion (quite a long time before I got) out was to don a pair of PJs EVERY night with a long top...but .I think I might have gone for a onesie if I had thought of it.....

how about it Mrs M...here this one even has a secret side zip......you could hide your mobile inside and text your OM throughout the night...becoause of course you don;t need sleep do you!!!Hmm

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FairyFi · 19/03/2013 12:02

this: Tis [going to docs]....it's so unfair that I have to do this alone'. Followed by a moment of clarity where I realised that I have always done it alone. He would noisily do nothing, but I was so in thrall that I didn't notice the nothing behind the bluster. But now he's being such a fucking Disney dad....

How can it be harder, more unfair??? but it is!!! I think it is and I didn't understand it until you just said that Tis I knew I did it all alone, but now I know I'm doing it all alone without the pretence (supporting myself in the belief) that we were shouldering the responsibility together. Thank you Tis that was a biggey for me.

I'm fed up of it being so tough. oh well, onwards an upwards ladies in pj's (except Silvery who's strongly resisting any covering up right now Wink)

awayer hinny hoyer hamma ouwer haya

xx

minkembra · 19/03/2013 12:57

Shock about the pyjamas thing.
although I cannot be doing with jammies.
but if I wanted to wear them then I dam well would.

ex was lazy about kids and shouty and sweary but in the light of some revelation on here does seem very much fwlite. he might have tried to get away with something like that but if he was told to f off and why it was wrong he would take it on board. he failed to see me as an equal but did not cross over the line into seeing me as property IYSWIM. he would have liked me just to put up with him being him (and keep on ignoring it ) and he would like me to have expected less of him but thankfully he did not expect me to dress or behave as he dictated. I think he would think that was wrong. It is intersting that they have so many similarities but on some issues they differ.

minkembra · 19/03/2013 13:02

tis keys- little devilGrin you wil look back and laugh one day...probably not this week though!

trustissues75 · 19/03/2013 13:06

LeClerc - no pj's allowed for him to have easy access?!
MrsMorton - pullibg the covers back to check your 'titties' and for mobile phone presence?!

Shock Confused Shock

I feel the need to crawl out of my own skin amd boil-wash it: twice!

Dillie · 19/03/2013 13:07

I had a similar thing this weekend.

DD was ill with either a bug or a stomach migraine as she was only sick 2x 12 hours apart.

When she threw up the second time, fw didnt come upstairs to see if she was ok! Made me pretty Angry. But then I thought he never would have bothered in the past and left me to deal with it.

I went downstairs to say dd has been sick. He replied yeah I heard, do you think she is forcing it?!

Seriously, how can you force being sick, without sticking your fingers down your throat?!!

On some reflection, the only time he has had off in 7 years was when dd had chickenpox and was off school for nearly 3 weeks. Although my boss was fantastic, I practically had to beg fw to take time off as it was year end and I needed to get the accounts done!

I am also fuming because fw decided to take time off at Easter. I thought fantastic, less money to pay out for childcare and dd gets time with her dad. But no! Instead he books Maundy Thursday off and the following Tuesday, for and I quote "Booked those days off so I can have a long weekend"

Angry

Sorry rant over, as you where! :)

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Dillie · 19/03/2013 13:10

omg mrsM & tis Shock

But then again I did buy a nighttime bra so he would leave me alone during the night clumsy fumble time pretending he was asleep

FairyFi · 19/03/2013 13:17

Dillie I begged and pleaded too! the doc would have had me carted off to hospital I was so ill, he conceeded one day! The next I begged in tears too, and passed out in charge of 13mo (who had been walking running, mountaineering! long time since!).

and like yours, mine never booked hols for anyone cept self, which basically meant if he was having a piss-up with his druggy pissy friends

sorry for DD migraine, horrible for her/you (apparently irrelevent to him, especially as she's evidently just 'making it up')

arthriticfingers · 19/03/2013 13:18

It must be today??? - just realized today, too!
Maybe gettingbig's thread?
FW bingo to the ££££ on tiny scratches on 'his' car whilst I and the children(after I was eventually allowed a car) drove round in what became a death trap because I wasn't allowed to spend any money on basic maintenance.
Can feel an attack of French coming on ...

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trustissues75 · 19/03/2013 14:31

Leclerc - I completely believe you! What a FFW...just ew, ew, ewwwwwww!

So, I'm still fuming from last night and am wondering what to do about it...

Basically, recently we changed when FW was to be calling DS: now four nights a week at 8;30pm right before bed so he could have a quick 5 minutes saying goodnight (recently, FW had changed calling to one night only because DS "didn't seem to have much to say to him so he didn't see the point - yes, he did actually say that to ds) I was concerned that he wouldn't stick to the time and a quick 5 minutes would turn into 10-15 minutes so I explain that it would indeed have to be a quick 5 minutes since DS needs time to wind down in bed and debrief from the day and read stories etc; I also suggested that he sould keep his Monday calling time the same so he could have a much longer talk with DS if DS wanted to talk longer. The past 3 nights FW has called either 15 mintues early where DS was watching his favourite cartoon and FW said he either spoke to him now or after 8;45 (well into the time we should be in bed and reading stories). Last night when he called, after me emailing him to please please call on time he called 10 minutes late and then kept DS on phone for over 10 minutes even though DS kept saying I want to go now, it's my bed time. In that time FW brought up visitation with DS even though he has been instructed to speak with my solicitor, and asked him when he was free in June/July.I hadn't told DS about possible visitation because the last time it was arranged FW changed his mind last minute and DS was upset - I've decided it's best to not tell him about possible visitation until it's actually sorted through the courts.

I sent him an email telling him why it is not oconvenient for him to be calling late and reminding him of our agreement and suggesting we should change the times because obviously this time wasnt' working for him; this man is unemployed and I can't honestly see how anything would take priority over making sure he carries out contact on time (believe me when I say if he called on time and than I said we weren't ready or had been ready but now we're busy it most deffiantely would not go down well and it would be noted that I was being obstructive with contact) I also stated in my email that if he wanted to Skype I was fine with that but that wasn't in invitation for the OW (who he dumped us and left us with nothing for) and her children to come onto Skype - I feel it is a complete intrusion into our privacy (bearing in mind this man invited the three of them to come along to DS and DD's christening that we have arranged in November - no thought for us having to pay extrea for catering etc)

This is the email I got back from him:

Thank you for your email. While it would be a perfect scenario for my calls to be at the stroke of whatever time is predetermined, life does unfortunately have a way of interfering. When I called earlier on Thursday (14 March 2013) by 13 min, I stated when you answered the phone I would not be able to call at 8:30 pm (GMT) but it would have been around 8:45 pm (GMT), this too was inconvenient for your schedule. Unfortunately, an email was not going to suffice for an information delivery vehicle in a timely manner for the existing circumstance. Look, the fact is whenever it is agreed that I am allowed to call, there will be times that I may have to call earlier or later by 10 - 15 minutes. So let me know the precise time periods he is allowed to converse and I'll let you know if our schedules mesh. There's not really too much to add to that.

You stated on 28 Feb you needed a few days to get Skype sorted. Whatever needs to happen for this, ok. I am just asking DS if he is able to Skype; he's the one who said he couldn't and that I needed to speak to you about this. Whether you like it or not, OW and OW's kids are apart of my life and they very much care about and want to meet DS. Your discontent and/or unwillingness for DS to be involved with them, even via phone/Skype is at best irrational. DS is already aware of OW and OW's kids and he will have an extended family here in the US. I however am not aware of any complete strangers. I'll keep an eye out though so as they don't intrude.

Informing DS of my intention to visit him is in no way an arrangement endeavor. I have in fact contacted your solicitor per your request; however she is currently away on maternity leave. As you have previously stated, you yourself are pregnant and don't need the added stress. Please don't create something where there clearly is nothing.

So, am I being unreasonable? Is it unreasonable of me to expect him to call on time, not within a 30 minute window, given that he doesn't have any priorities that should be more important than our DS? Is it unreasonable for me to not want complete strangers peering into our house via Skype?

I did reply to the email asking him to give me times that were better to call...and telling him to stop discussing things with DS that haven't been previously agreed upon. I've had no reply as to when he is now intending to call...so I'm thinking of sending this...

Dear FW

I've not had communication from you when would be a better time for you to call. Please call from now on at 7.30PM on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Please do not be late. Any time that is more than 5 minutes before or after this time may not be convenient and DS may not be available. Please bear in mind that I consistently make sure DS is available at the previously agreed times - I do not expect you to call back later or miss a call because we have been unable to prioritise DS's needs to communicate with his non-resident parent at the previously agreed times and I respect that you have a life outside of DS. Please remember I am flexible and have been more than fair with you these past two years and I expect the same in return. Expecting us to be available for a 30 minute period for you to call is not fair, is not respectful and is not reasonable. You by your own admission are unemployed - what could possible be more important than you making sure you are available for contact at the previously agreed times?

What do you think, ladies?

MrsMorton · 19/03/2013 14:32

arth have I missed something (more than likely, my head is all over the place), what's today?

arthriticfingers · 19/03/2013 14:38

Trust have reported your post so that MN take DS's real name out :)

arthriticfingers · 19/03/2013 14:39

Trust still think you are engaging a million times more that is necessary or beneficial to you.

TisILeclerc · 19/03/2013 14:41

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arthriticfingers · 19/03/2013 14:42

MrsM
Nothing exciting Grin
Just that Leclerc and I seemed to be thinking at exactly the same time about the same thing:
FW's insisting on spending shitloads of money their pennies on polishing their own car's toenails rather than on basic maintenance of the car their wives and children travelled in every day.

TisILeclerc · 19/03/2013 14:44

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trustissues75 · 19/03/2013 14:51

LeClerk - snippy? When? And thanks...I always manage to miss one!

Right, engaging too much again - do not need to explain myself....

I'm not being unreasonable right? I don't want to be unreasonable (well, my inner haughty self really does, but that serves no purpose)

Ta, arthritic - how do I always manage to miss one?