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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
NoraLuca · 18/03/2013 22:44

Pony I haven't seen a solicitor at all, and neither has H. I worry that if I see a solicitor H will become confrontational, which he isn't ATM.

Totally agree that the DDs shouldn't stay overnight on their own if it upsets them - that's why they haven't stayed yet. I don't mean that H should try to force them, more that he should focus on comforting them rather than blaming me for the fact that they won't stay with him.

currentlyconfuseddotcom · 18/03/2013 22:45

Get out people, I did - it's been a few months now and I'm not magically perfect and might never meet anyone again, but the freedom overwhelms me. I was broken down and your thinking's not straight...you become a nasty person, mistrusting people.

It's magical in itself being out of it. Get out, seriously.

NoraLuca · 18/03/2013 22:49

Bounty snap again, before leaving I worked out a big lifeplan where H meets his soulmate and I meet mine, and we all live happily ever after Grin

Perhaps he did love you, and still does. One horrible thing I've learnt over the last few years is, love isn't enough to live together. You need respect and kindness and patience and a whole lot of other things too.

Does anyone know about Stockholm syndrome?

minkembra · 18/03/2013 22:54

charlotte not at all petty.
Agree with the others though. his using the 'threat' of 50/50 contact to unnerve you in the guise of being reasonable. he is counting on it not coming to that.

bounty wishing you bountiful negotiations Smile

It Will all settle down eventually. Someone said upthread, if they don't do it now they won't do it after they leave. they just like to think they do half the childcare.

There is reality and then there is fwitterality. it is not the same thing anywhere except in their heads. sigh.

minkembra · 18/03/2013 22:59

bounty it is not that odd to Want him to be happy. it absolves you of guilt (which you shouldn't feel anyway but his abuse has trained you into) and it also makes him an SEP (someone else's problem).

It would set you free in a way.

But don't let that stop you at least pulling the odd thread in his suits and taking him for every penny if you feel it would help Grin

bountyicecream · 18/03/2013 23:04

Wise words Nora. Love isn't enough, at least not for a long lasting relationship. I think maybe he does love me but in his way which is a warped abnormal sort of love. And that true honest soulmate love naturally comes with respect, patience, kindness and all the bits we're missing.

Minkembra - I think SEP and absolution of guilt might be the actual truth. I feel more normal now - not that I necessarily want him to be happy but that I want to pass the buck a little! And be set free in that too.

minkembra · 18/03/2013 23:09

bounty you deserve to be freeSmile

Is it not pass the duckWink wit.

bountyicecream · 18/03/2013 23:17

ha ha yes had forgotten about my special duck wit Wink

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minkembra · 18/03/2013 23:18

It is not just the relief either bounty. if get us with someone else you won't have to.put up with emotional strain of him trying to come back or turning his attention/control on you.

That is how i feel about ex. i Will be a bit peeved he can move on when i don't really have chance but at same time he Will have moved on and i Will be off the hook.

minkembra · 18/03/2013 23:19

tis Sad

minkembra · 18/03/2013 23:26

get us with he is with.
Allo Allo good moaning. i Will zay zis only wance.

ponygirlcurtis · 18/03/2013 23:27

Oh no Leclerc. Hope you have a peaceful night (calpol at the ready).

bountyicecream · 18/03/2013 23:31

very true mink

leclerc sending sleepy vibes throught to DS2 and the calpol too!

Night night everyone. Off for my beauty sleep for the solicitors tomorrow. Will report back how it goes in due time.

snowshapes · 18/03/2013 23:56

Just popping in quickly, need bed zzzzzzz

Charlotte do not engage. You don't need to have endless conversations, tell him it will no doubt be sorted in time. Do not agree to anything until you have seen a solicitor and before you go to solicitor, write down what you want to achieve. My FW can mess with my head in five minutes, so five days sounds like hell. Utter hell. Hang in there, you will get through.

tis hope your DS is okay

Would be great if FW found someone else, if he has not already. I don't think he loved me, unless it was the kind of love which comes from showing the world you can nab yourself an intelligent woman and grind her down

Night, night all

trustissues75 · 19/03/2013 00:00

Soery about the suspected tonsilitis LeClerc - not fun :(

Bounty - I dont kniw you or your FW but expressiibs of live arent necessarily live when put in context if a compkete relatiinship. I xan think of many time exFWH showed live...but when juxtaposed with all his shit ut becones nit live but displays intended to control, regain power, hoovering, gaslighting...etc etc.

Im off to bed...I feel lije screaming right now - more shit from exFWH...Ill post about it tomorrow...

Night all

trustissues75 · 19/03/2013 00:01

Oh ffs...bloody phone...I should stick to posting only when using a keyboard

BreatheandFlyAway · 19/03/2013 00:15

(infestation of mites ???? what effing next eh? All items removed from kitchen and spraying, cleaning, etc....)

Anyway, haven't caught up properly, have had quick read through and love to all., Bounty good luck tomorrow lovely. leclerc hope you have plenty of calpol! We have never ending bugs here too, it's very dispiriting, isn't it.

BreatheandFlyAway · 19/03/2013 00:17

Trust so sorry you have had a difficult, frustrating time and feel like screaming. (Slightly loved your typo post though, made me Grin whilst of course deeply sympathising!)

MrsMorton · 19/03/2013 06:36

trust I love your typo post. Like a Second World War code!

Yy to expressions of love. Sometimes the FWittery is buried amongst them. I can't even be bothered to explain this morning's efforts but it's steeled my resolution slightly more. I will make solicitors appt today.

snow wouldn't it be great if he found someone else to put his energy in to? That's how I feel anyway.

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snowshapes · 19/03/2013 07:24

Breathe mites? Argh, a well-deserved glass of wine then. Whatever next indeed.

tis hope your wee one is doing a bit better, though tonsilitis is a pain.

trust the coded message was rather good, though it was the ffs blasted phone follow up which made me laugh. Sorry you are having to deal with Fwittery. It is awful that you still have to deal with it. In answer to your earlier question about where FW is from, reluctant to say in case i out myself though ahem, I can think of lots of clues.Goodness knows why he left, all he does is complain about here.

MrsM, good luck with calling solicitor, it is also my resolution for the day. Like Nora, I have been avoiding stoking the fires, but now need to get peace of mind myself. It will unleash confrontation, but it is that or anxiety. As for finding someone else, I will put money on her being at least 10 years younger than him. Though I can think of someone his age who just might be able to handle him and he might respect. Is that awful ? Though maybe not, she is lovely. But yes, he might just respect her.

snowshapes · 19/03/2013 07:29

tis sorry x-posted, I think they must all come out of the same mould. Would be amazing if it weren't so dreadful. Sorry to hear DS still poorly, but you are right, you are doing it from a point of freedom. How long does it take to get the FWittery out our heads though?

Better get on, will be late at this rate Shock

snowshapes · 19/03/2013 07:32

Yy to wearing pyjamas and having big thick duvets, just to say. And bloody well yy to FW being the other side of the threshhold. Forever. And ever. And ever.

Going now. All the best to everyone.

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