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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

999 replies

foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 23:54

Grin re our dcats' nuttiness and the excellent pub names!

Oh dear, work and school night, bugger it. I had better go to bed. G'night all xxxx

LemonDrizzled · 17/03/2013 23:54

Night all I'm off to bed x
Lovely DP is threatening to drive over to cuddle me Smile cos he can't sleep without me!

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 23:56

Ooh lemon Smile very happy for you!

FairyFi · 17/03/2013 23:56

feeling all warm and glowing from the LOLing and cameraderie in the pub tonight, but it could be more to do with the toddies or the wetting myself laughing

no i didn't know really Mink I didn't know why I'd felt so bad and acted on it eventually scales didn't really fall til I spoke with WA/came here

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 23:58
FairyFi · 17/03/2013 23:59

one toddy too many.. time to head for home and dry bed... possibly big glass of water to alleviate symptoms for morning, and a loaf of bread for hunger )although don't recall nipping out with Silvery tonight

FairyFi · 18/03/2013 00:00
snowshapes · 18/03/2013 00:03

Haha, breathe, your post of 23.29 re sinking jaws into you mid-cuddle and leaping into drawers made me think of DC2, though thankfully getting out of his biting phase occasionally decides mummy is in need of a good bite. He has not been up a chimney though. Not yet, anyway. Wouldn't put it past him to try, though, bless him.

Night, night all. Fear I have done too much soul-baring and now feeling anxious. I think the more I read, the more I realise it was all wrong, and somehow I knew, but kept thinking, just try harder and now I know why it was hard to leave. Hoovering.

minkembra · 18/03/2013 00:07

abuse cycle

it is from out of the FOG.
just found a few variations of it as wel.

one talks about the 'nugget'. this is where they go off on one. you won't back down so they go off topic and start going through everything you have ever done/all your 'faults'
until you lose it and say just one thing- the nugget which they can bring up against you forever.

ex was a master at that. he could say anything he liked. anything. but once he apologised that was it all gone. forgotten. but as part of getting me to accept his apology he would always try to get me on one thing i had said and that thing was not forgotten. not ever. I can think of so many 'zombie' events with him. things said in the heat of the moment or taken out of context that got brought up endlessley every time he was 'on the ropes'.

the effect was to make me feel like a c*nt and also I now think he caused half of these rows just so that he could say all those things to cut me down to size. i.e. I thought he said those things in the heat of the moment. but now suspect he may have been wiating for an opporunity to say them.

although someone said earlier that their FW thinks he is 'the best' and has no doubts. mine was really very insecure and I think he liked to cut me down to size when I was making him feel to insecure. all his actions were basically extremly OTT defensive reactions and I donb't thin k he could switch his temper on and off. once he lost his temper he was in a shit mood with everyone. and all the things he had been saving up about them in his head woudl come out in one vile torrent.

but one of his most key behaviours was he always expected to be forgiven or to get away with it. but he was the most unforgiving person I have ever met. holds grudges forever. takes against people for nothing.

FairyFi · 18/03/2013 00:07

oh snow please to not feel anxious about soul-bareing... keep letting it out, definitely... yy v. hard to leave.. but you dunnit! yay!

minkembra · 18/03/2013 00:10

sorry I am ranting one and not really in pub spirit. I am the ranty one in the corner!

anyway
I better wend my way home too. Thankful that ex is not on the far side of fuck offSmile

minkembra · 18/03/2013 00:16

snow it is ok. we won't tell anyone you like crisps Grin
(seriously though do let it out. I am coming to the conclusion that it has to come out. if you say its name you take its power).

mmmn crisps. I am going to order up a crate of puffs for the incredible name changing pub (hey if we can nc so can the pub) anyone remember burton's puffs. you could squash the entire packet down to crumbs and then pour it into your mouth in a oner.Blush

trustissues75 · 18/03/2013 00:37

Hungry now....coco pops an hour ago obviously didn't suffice! I'm off to eat and then to bed...good night all!

snowshapes · 18/03/2013 07:46

mink, your description of your FWs torrents sound like my mother! FW was more of a calm, ice cold anger, never his fault, what an affront to even suggest it.

Agree that naming it is power but I think it is the fact that I am realising how controlling it avtualky was whilst still thinking somehow it was me. It is scary. Still have two targets this week for moving forward so will focus on that.

Wishing everyone a good day. Have a busy work day ahead so will need to be disciplined and stay away from here!

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trustissues75 · 18/03/2013 09:44

Gwlad! Gwlad! Plaidiol wyf i'm Gwlad!

DP is English - so I got DS to put on his WRU shirt last night!

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trustissues75 · 18/03/2013 10:06

Hm...it's not the same without a line-up of strapping Welsh men in shorts...

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 18/03/2013 10:36

Just flying in as FW just popped to the shops. Am keeping everything in when he's here (so of course I'm unfeeling and cold), so I just want to say,

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's very tiring being hoovered so energetically. Hmm Especially when none of it is cleaning the house!! He thinks I should go back to work and he take the dcs. He says all sorts of things that I'd love to rant about except it's all pointless. He won't move out till June because he's only going to be here for about a week till then. And I can go away for that week if I don't like it; why should it always be him? Well, at least he's saying he'll leave at some point now.

Oh yes, and I'm walking away with everything and he gets nothing. Yes, lucky lucky me. Could almost've engineered this situation just for the happy outcome. Oh wait, I did, by stopping trying to love him when he was doing such a good job at improving. FW FW FW.

He was listening quite well and showing signs of wanting to change, so I said he is probably a narcissist and if he wants to get treatment he should get something specialist. Of course, that stopped him listening any longer! Couldn't I just keep on ignoring the problems? he said.

Right. Thanks for listening. Feeling stronger again for the next onslaught...

trustissues75 · 18/03/2013 10:55

Ah...the blame and shame guilt tripping game...love that old chestnut....

TisILeClerc...if that were true I'd be needing your address...or where ever your current location with said strapping Welsh men was....

minkembra · 18/03/2013 11:13

charlotte haha at ignoring the problem. well that would be mighty convenient wouldn't it...for him.

snow I find the realisation part absolutely exhausting. I feel like I have woken up from a really bad nightmare where I thought I was awake all the time only I wasn't. it is horrible. and as with a nightmare I am never sure if it is best to try to remember what went on or just tell yourself, well you are awake now. new day. get on with it.

ex was being remarkably normal when I saw him yesterday. and of course he has no idea what I have now realised lots of stuff about his behaviour and so view him totally differently. but then again after the horrible email he sent me a few weeks ago which he has now apparently gotten out of his system, he cannot expect me to be particularly chatty when I see him.

he was an hour late for contact visit. but did apologise beforehand- although I suspect he was unavoidably detained doing something he wanted to do rather than something vital.

and has yet to arrange anything for this week. so we shall see.

minkembra · 18/03/2013 11:14

tis i do hope if you have a house full of strapping lads they are doing some housework and a bit of DIY. Grin

ponygirlcurtis · 18/03/2013 11:35

Morning all. Smile

Just read through the shenanigans from last night - I luffs you lots, I does! V funny.

Of course, should've said congrats to my Welsh comrades. I used to be able to sing the Welsh national anthem (a friend wrote it out phonetically for me).

Charlotte, I might need you to run that one past me again: Couldn't I just keep on ignoring the problems? he said.
Really???? Deluded.com!!!! Stay strong in the face of his mad hoovering (and hovering).