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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
Dillie · 17/03/2013 22:55

Grin at the man sized lump!!

Yy to missing cuddles. My dd, bless her, gave me one of her teddies to have at night when I first went into the spare room. (The excuse I used was the other bed was hurting my back, which is partly true!) Made my heart break, but swell too iyswim.

bountyicecream · 17/03/2013 22:56

breathe yes lets jump together. Perhaps we should hook our FWs up together too so they can winge endlessly about how heartless we are.

Perhaps we can stick picture of all our FWs on the door so that the big hunky gorgeous bouncers can stop them coming in

bountyicecream · 17/03/2013 22:57

I'm going to get a cat instead of a man-sized lump. I've wasted endless hours on choosing a name for him

snowshapes · 17/03/2013 23:04

Oh, not crisps, why does everyone in this country eat crisps? So full of fat and salt

Num-num < stuffs mouth>

snowshapes · 17/03/2013 23:08

FW never did cuddles, just ambushed at random moments for a 'hug'. Usually inconvenient moments boxing me in somewhere. Don't remember actual proper cuddles. Bizarre.

trustissues75 · 17/03/2013 23:10

TCM - your FW's excuse for you not going to counselling has got completely nothing to do with money - that's his cover excuse. His real reason goes something like this: "I don't want some jumped up university type filling her head with silly ideas about independence and respect and equality and about asserting herself or some other kind of useless feminist shit...."

As for the promise of things will be better when there's more money...yeah, tell me another one...please do not believe that, TCM, he's just buying himself time and that is all....he does not care about your needs/wishes/wants/desires/hopes/dreams/ Why? Because in his eyes the only person that maters in your household is HIM.

snowshapes · 17/03/2013 23:10

The crisps comment was supposed to be FW, he hated crisps

trustissues75 · 17/03/2013 23:11

I'd really like a nice South African cabernet right now...

snow, which country is your FW from? Mine's American.

FairyFi · 17/03/2013 23:12

Words of caution to the wise on purchase of a dcat! Avoid dcats with isshoos that a) keep you startling awake during the night, b) sleep right across keyboards preventing virtual pub socials c) chase, trying to swipe, other dcat and ddog d) yowl incessantly when having a nice gentle flea comb! e) strum the darned bloody mental venetian blinds whenever they are lowered at night, and f) sits watching how to undo doors and windows, so can never be kept in when gaping hole in side is stapled together, bearing full lampshade collar; whodeeneee (can't spell tonite) styleee I find collar on floor and cat escaped, having opened kitchen door and the kitchen window and fled! There are many more isshooos, but anyway, choose one without those! The other dcat and ddog are bloody marvellous company!

Dillie · 17/03/2013 23:15

Something has just resonated with me there trust re counselling.

In one of our ding dongs since I told him I was leaving, he said yelled 'I thought that once you did a session or two, you would apologise and say OK, I was wrong, let's move on and try again'

Just shows how their minds work!

FairyFi · 17/03/2013 23:28

Shock Dillie uhuh... their minds all the same.

LemonDrizzled · 17/03/2013 23:28

Ha my FW was very resentful of my counsellor too Dillie She slowly and gently brought me out of denial into facing reality and making a plan to leave. She was tough but very good and helped me a lot.

Once he stopped blaming the counsellor for turning me against him FW wanted a counsellor too. His wanted him to take responsibility for his own moods, instead of blaming me,and didn't 100 percent show approval so he (FW) felt the C didn't like him (FW)

Then when we went to two different joint counsellors FW decided they were siding with me against him. I think he just wanted to be told how lovely he was and what a wicked person I was so I would apologise and make up.

Al in all hugely useful for me and probably worth the money for FW just to see if he was capable of understanding his issues.

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 23:29

Fi also avoid dcat who mid-cuddle and bliss out, decides it'd be fun to sink his jaws into your arm. And who leaps into drawers everytime you open them, meaning you can never safely close a drawer in case you squash him Smile And who hides up chimney, suddenly descending when all is quiet at night and you're alone downstairs and get the shock of your life Grin

bountyicecream · 17/03/2013 23:31

Hmmmm maybe I need to rethink the cat! Hamster maybe or guinea pig. A parrot would be great if I wasn't scared of birds as I might actually get better conversation than from fw

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 23:31

lemon ditto re counselling. Ours was a "bitch" and a "liar" because she asked me if I felt safe in house after violent incident. Previous Relate session lasted 10 minutes till fw stormed out because even the most gentle, innocuous initial queries were evil crap designed to undermine him by man hating feminist grim Grin

minkembra · 17/03/2013 23:31

Mine said why don't you go and boo hoo hoo to your counsellor. you are not some feminist warrior. you are just another scrounging single mother.
so much for him and his socialist beliefs scratch the surface and out comes the daily mail.

and I have a job. I get tax credits because I use childcare and can only work part time.
not that I should have to refute his vile rantings but it just goes to show they can turn on a pin.

re awkward hugs. mine used to sneak up on my and put his hands under my clothes when i was at the hob stirring a pan or chopping things. if i wasn't delighted he would be all hurt and upset. and i used to feel bad about it. I am not saying it is that outrageous but a normal person would learn that you don't like being hugged with cold hands on your skin whilst handling dangerous items.

also remember the last time he hoovered me. he stormed out and I let him stay out for over a month. then he announced we need to talk, turned up out of the blue and did the apologising thing but at the same time he kept cornering me and trying to grab hug me. to the point I had to tell him to back off and stop invading my space. i was actually, briefly, glad we were back together but that did disturb me.

pub How about Fuck Off and Firkin Wink
or Firkin fuck off

fi is it you who has the cat who 'falls' asleep literally?

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 23:33

Ah bounty don't be put off a dcat Smile Mine is my bff even though he's nuts. When I'm sad he knows and comes to cuddle me (and nibble me - told you he's weird) I love him to bits though.

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 23:35

Or The Far Side of Fuck - but that would be the pub on the other side of the village where we send the fws - and where they only serve tepid water and stale hairballs, courtesy of the loyal dcats among us Smile

FairyFi · 17/03/2013 23:39

yes Mink tis me ... he 'falls' so sound asleep that once when he crawled under the duvet to sleep, I woke up realising I had rolled on him (I didn't know he'd come to bed!) adn I thought I'd killed him, when I picked up his head and dropped it , it just fell back on the pillow. I tried shaking it, it just lolled from side to side, I got up put light on, tried poking (getting very scared and teary) he was dead! I had surely killed him... I put my cheek to his nose, he was still breathing and groaned at the same time making me jump! he has ishooes, he was cross cos I woke him up, only when the lights are on its hard to tell as he won't open his eyes!

what is hooovering?

minkembra · 17/03/2013 23:41

breath santa cat! Grin or satan cat. it is so hard to tell.

I had 2 attack cats and one that was mostly annoying. cute but annoying. favourite was attack cat 1. he would only let you touch him if you were standing up and would run at you sideways like a crab. antisocial but hysterical.

annoying but cute cat tried to talk the birds out of the trees. she would yip and whine at them. would also do this out the window at birds flying past.

attack cat 2 bit everyone except me. she was beautiful though and had the softest fur so everyone wanted to touch her. then she bit them.

ac1 died. ac2 and annoying cat went to stay with someone else temp basis when I had twins in top floor flat. they were meant to come back when I moved in with ex but as that never happened they never did. they are too happy in new home to move now. Smile

they all attacked toes under duvetsHmm

friend once told me- you can only ever teach a cat a maximum of 2 things. make sure you choose those 2 things carefully.Grin

FairyFi · 17/03/2013 23:43

raucous laughing Fly re: dcat ... reminds of when mine took to sleeping on clothes in washing machine, once I forgot to check and had to stop it when the drum turning didn't sound right! Shock .. it never happened again Hmm

also raising a glass to the 'the far side of fuck' serving stale hairballs and tepid water!

I'm sure its not the number of hot toddies I've consumed,, tis just very very funny!

minkembra · 17/03/2013 23:46

hoovering is part of the cycle of abuse.
they escalate until they have gone too far.
realise they are in danger of losing you and hoover you back in
by e.g. saying I am sorry, if you take me back I promise I will [promises shit]
you make a declaration of independence
I will only take you back if you [list of demands perfectly reasonable requests]
initially all is lovely
but you are forced to police the declaration of independence.
they start backsliding.
you call them on it.
they say, you and your list of demands you control freak. stop trying to control me etc.

i got sucked in that way several times

FairyFi · 17/03/2013 23:46

love them dearly ... dcat with ishoos, he's the strangest most gorgeous creature, and is far too bright... I can hear a dcat playing with the beads that dangle from the ottoman throw.. oh dear!

and mine run up the chimney too, tell tale sooty pawprints on the heart often!

FairyFi · 17/03/2013 23:49

oh yes! I recognise the tactics, just not the label Mink ! Hmm completely makes sense ... feel a bit 'doh'! for not getting that

minkembra · 17/03/2013 23:51

did not know about it until he left ( because i did not know it was abuse until I got here)

even though I had said to him several times 'that is what people who beat their gfs say' (that it is your fault) after he had screamed vile abuse at me and then said well you made me do it.

and on one occassion when he offered to change his bad habits I had actually said 'I don't want to police this [behaviour]' he said no totally you won't have to. low and behold a few months later i was saying you are doing it again and he was calling me controlling. so as son as I read about hoovering and declarations of independence it clicked.

another feature is conditional change/apologies i.e. I will stop doing as x as long as you do y.

it is from one of links above but have no idea which.

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