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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TisILeclerc · 17/03/2013 21:37

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BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 21:39

Mink Grin at man size knitted lump! At least leclerc has a teddy of doom to punch chat to! What you describe is the interaction I pretty much used to get from fw too. Nowadays he's quite edgy and knows it's all up so really pays attention - shame he couldn't do that for real, not only when under the chopper (figuratively speaking of course Grin)

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 21:41

Cheers leclerc

TieredConfusedMummy · 17/03/2013 21:41

I like the Traveller's rest. Seems we've all been in too many 'last chance saloons' :)

ponygirlcurtis · 17/03/2013 21:47

Evening all it's a proper nightcap for me, I'm already in bed, soooooo tired.

Breathe, so glad you are feeling better, there's nothing like a laugh with friends to set things right. And glad that things are ok with your mum too.

Mink, you could be onto a business idea here, time to get those needles clacking! I sometime feel if I just had someone something to cuddle up to in bed and on the sofa, I would be just dandy. I tried not to start conversations with FW on the sofa, because he inevitably found something wrong with what I said (or found some way to insinuate something about anyone I mentioned) and it was easier just not to talk. I don't need conversation in the evenings, just a bit of a cuddle. Leclerc, maybe I should take ToD off your hands!!!!

ponygirlcurtis · 17/03/2013 21:48

Me, I liked the Staggering Vixens! Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 21:50

Yes, I like that pony! Or - The Nest of Vipers Grin

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BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 21:55

Here, I'll buy you a drink for a loan of him Wine

ponygirlcurtis · 17/03/2013 22:00

I can only aspire to be a vixen, staggering or otherwise!

I'm like the entrepreneurial spirit tonight being mixed with the other spirits. Grin For a week of ToD's company, I think you should stipulate no less than a 6-pack of Tennants Special.

I am v tempted to stay up and natter away, but although I am not her, I too have Matchsticks For My Eyes. So I bid you all goodnight and adieu. Tomorrow is another day. (I appear to be back in moustache-wearing territory, I may have to look into this with my counsellor...)

LemonDrizzled · 17/03/2013 22:01

Evening all! A small tot of whisky for me.

I am feeling jittery about a mediation session with FW on Thursday to sort out finances. It is the last round and it will all be fine as I have a lovely solicitor coming with me. After that we can sign the Consent Order and get the Decree Absolute. But I am scared and anxious about it... but not as scared and anxious as I used to be often when I lived with him!

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LemonDrizzled · 17/03/2013 22:02

Actually I shall find a tiny Teddy of Doom and put it in my pocket for courage!

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 22:18

Or a Toddy of Doom in a hipflask, Lemon Grin?

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 22:19

Nighty-night, ponygirlmatchsticks Grin sleep tight, don't let the fws bite....!

minkembra · 17/03/2013 22:26

Toddy of doom Grin

pony that has made me think I might ahve to get myself a maternity pillow again. it was most cuddly in bed.

lemon good luck with the last hurdle. nearly there.

who has the wotsits?

FairyFi · 17/03/2013 22:36

In need of hot toddy to warm the cockles of me art!

Desparetely in need of some dirty minded wotsits tonight, and ripping open some Worcester Sauce crispies for sharing round.

Hilarious Mink all the song titles in the vein of my Grease typo! Are you stand-up in RL, if not you're in the wrong job!

Are we going for Staggering Vixens then for moorland pub name?

bountyicecream · 17/03/2013 22:39

Not been around for a while and so much has happened. Just skim read through everything but will read more thoroughly in a bit. The main thing that has stood out for me is TCM you must not give up your bank account.

My FW has been trying to get me to pay off some more of the mortgage with a recent inheritance that I got. We have separate bank accounts as when we first got married I couldn't be trusted not to lose cards etc. I now know he is having an affair and wonder whether our marriage has had multiple affairs.

Anyway it is D-day for him next week. Solicitor's appointment this week and then I'm having the conversation with him next week and jumping into the unknown.

So much of what has being written recently I can agree with - yes to being worried about buying clothes as FW always ridicules what I like to wear and actually likes to come shopping with me so he can choose what i wear. Also yes to being mean and tight with money. We were always the family shivering in the cold with a flask of coffee while everyone else was enjoying the 'overpriced' tea room on the rare occasions we actually did anything all together

I'll be posting much more over the next weeks as am really going to need some hand holding to stay firm. charlotte I've been watching you with admiration and hope to be as dignified as you.

bountyicecream · 17/03/2013 22:43

oooh and I'll have a guinness please

AND crisps as FW cannot make some idiotic comment about 'Do you know how many calories are in those' or 'they're just empty calories you know' or 'are you eating again' or 'crisps are so expensive in pubs - you'd be better off buying them in a multipack at asda' or 'cheese and onion always make your breath stink'.

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 22:48

Cheers fi and ta for the crispies!

Bounty you sound like you're at the exact same stage as me. I have sol appt to put D papers in place then the big convo will follow. Shall we hold hands as we jump? Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 22:48

Oh bounty I used to get the "eating again?" comment Sad

FairyFi · 17/03/2013 22:49
BreatheandFlyAway · 17/03/2013 22:51

hmmm The Big Fuck Off - as a pub name? Wink

Or Ye Olde Fucke Offe?

FairyFi · 17/03/2013 22:53

oh yes! now you're talking

Y Olde Fucke Offe!!!! Grin Grin

FairyFi · 17/03/2013 22:54

a double for the lady ....