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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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ponygirlcurtis · 14/03/2013 09:28

Me too Leclerc! It's making me giggle. No idea why I felt I had a cane, but in my head I also had a Mr Pringle-type moustache. Oh dear. Big hugs to everyone, haven't had a wee night out in ages!!! Grin

Fi you made me laugh with that last one! (and love our team name of the 'F off FW revellers'!) And MrsM - I'd gladly have traded my ear worm for Delilah - all night, every time I woke up (which was often blardy DS2) I couldn't get back to sleep for my brain singing the NumTums theme song. Gaaaaaaaah!!!!

Good luck with FP Leclerc, I'm hoping to get signed up on one (face-to-face or online) soon. And you know that whatever response FW gives, it'll be something that makes you go 'grrrrrrrr'. FP-up!

Maggie, thinking of you too cariad. Hope things are ok.

MrsMorton · 14/03/2013 10:56

My counsellors emails make me want to cry. Is this normal?

She says (and I know) that I have to talk to H and tell him I'm leaving but I'm scared to. He doesn't listen and he's a bit shouty and I'm very quiet. He just goes on and on at me and gets angry and I don't think I can do it.

Why why why Delilah (she's only gone and had her weetabix)

NicknameTaken · 14/03/2013 10:58

Why can't you just leave without telling him? He'll work it out! I know it's not etiquette in a mutually-loving relationship, but I think it's perfectly fine i the context of abuse.

MrsMorton · 14/03/2013 11:17

There's always that option I suppose. It just seems like such a big step. I just stood up to him over something fairly minor and my heart is going bonkers. I think it would jump out of my chest and have an attack of the vapours if I did that.

Where do women get the courage from to do that?

NicknameTaken · 14/03/2013 11:35

I left without letting him know, and believe me, it was out of fear rather than courage. It's one way to short-circuit the rage/recriminations etc etc.

FairyFi · 14/03/2013 12:42

real tough MrsM - I know, no indeed they don't get to have the polite goodbyes and sorries atall, but its still incredibly difficult to leave, for exactly the reasons you state.

Its hard to leave a regular non-abusive, I mean, relationships, but with an abusive one there is so much more burden to wade through and internal conflicts to manage caught up in that step.

You will find it, as you want to do it, but its important that you do it when you are ready. Its common for it to be 'secret' which speaks volumes me thinks.

I ran in the midst of an onslaught, fled, not very courageous (but somehow it was very courageous!?!?!? Confused as it was far more courageous than being frozen it seemed)

this morning's fp very tough going, a couple of real shocks to the system and I have lost a handle on them now which really pisses me off. I used to do that in the face of FWittery all the time, and now things that I recognise that are painful/meaningful just slip out of grasp again, like my head starts buzzing.

I keep imagining myself getting up and leaving Confused and then thinking I can't keep doing it, as its too painful. Oh shit ... blurrrgggh...

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FairyFi · 14/03/2013 13:09

so very, yes! I'm sorry for yours too tis I'm trying to get my car sorted out to take my mind off it!!!!! but I've just got locked out of the site as I can't even get my one-word password right, how I can I expect to manage a house and be a mum (without boundaries, and so deluded about the realities of FWitdom).

I am seeing stuff everywhere at the moment that I think is disrespectful, or negating of others feelings, etc. thats why I need to run away Sad

I've remembered the thing I forgot its about us provoking to release the pressure of walking on eggshells knowing that something it going to happen and we can't bear the pressure of waiting for it to blow, which then in turn feels like the resultant anger against us is justified because we perpetrated it!?!?! its just too complex for my little brain to cope with.

I'm having a huge 'oh shit I feel so alone' moment Sad

ponygirlcurtis · 14/03/2013 13:12

MrsM - I think your counsellor is perhaps thinking of a normal, reasonable person. With abusive partners, they are not reasonable. If you are too scared to tell him, or fear that he'll talk you out of it, just go. I decided one day after FW left for work (with him shouting abuse at me over nothing) that enough was enough. I gathered up my stuff and left, leaving a note on the kitchen table. It wasn't easy, and it wasn't courage - I was on autopilot, if I'd stopped and thought about it I would have crumbled. But if I'd tried to talk to him first I'd constantly have put it off and would never have left. Like Fi says, prior to leaving I knew I had to go but was utterly utterly paralysed, frozen.

Funny you should say that, Fi and Leclerc, I've said to my counsellor several times that I don't feel old enough to be doing all this, coping with all this. Sending you both warm thoughts (and warm beverages) after your difficult mornings. Brew

foolonthehill · 14/03/2013 13:43

hi ladies...good to see so many of you feeling stronger (and not too hung over from last night...ahem!)

A plea to you all. One day when you are not running yourself ragged and can think of it...please check whether you local library has "Why does he do that" and if it does not..put in a request. there are lots of people out there for whom the local library might be the only safe place to read this.

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ponygirlcurtis · 14/03/2013 15:27

Oh Leclerc. I am running out the door but had to post to give you a hug. He's right. Except that you already are flying. Look at all you have achieved since you got him out. You are amazing. Grin

FairyFi · 14/03/2013 16:41

hugs for 'waaaing' Tis

accomplished very simple task of logging in, in the end! and then managed to fiddle about with car for some long time to distract me, it was very frustrating grrrr. and not fixed Sad now I've got to pay big car tax plus house insurance bill (any consolation? Sad )

.... but it has put a lot of distance between me and teariness this morning... so feeling more positive.

BreatheandFlyAway · 14/03/2013 17:28

Oh Leclerc that must have been so hard to hear. But the huge positive is that you are out and so are kids Smile so fw's power is defused and minimised and his horrible influence will have less and less effect on your dcs.

Fw here is furious as I have cleared last of his bed out and put a single in his old room upstairs. He is bitter and angry. Must try to ignore.

FairyFi · 14/03/2013 18:18

oh yes Fly ignoring! Wink well done for braving the nerve-wrecking clearing!

BreatheandFlyAway · 14/03/2013 18:55

Thanks Fi! I feel very on edge! Xx

FairyFi · 14/03/2013 19:44

oh dear Sad is he like a toddler having a tantrum? sulk? or is it too serious to be looked at that way? Fly

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 14/03/2013 20:53

FW is on his best behaviour. Staying away for the weekend because DB will be here. Phoning tomorrow to speak to the dcs Shock - they will be a bit Confused because he doesn't usually do that!

Then he'll be around for maybe as long as 5 days.

A couple of times today I've started wondering if I'm overplaying everything and we could make a go of it. But I've quickly remembered some of the FWery and have got myself back on track. Hooray for finding that easier at last!!

determinedma · 14/03/2013 21:06

Hi all. Been reading some of the links and nodding in recognition. Will try and download the Why does he do that book if I can. Then its not lying around.
I'm lurking a bit still but feel welcome with this dysfunctional band of sisters!

TheSilveryPussycat · 14/03/2013 21:14

Last time I looked you could only get a paper copy, determined.

Am having a good time atm. And am being whisked away for a few days at the end of the month [grin Blush Grin

foolonthehill · 14/03/2013 21:15

hi determined: sorry and glad that you have found us (sorry you need us, glad you found us)
i don;t think the Lundy book Why does he do that? is available on Kindle yet (despite me lobbying!) but "Should I stay or should I go" is www.amazon.co.uk/Should-Stay-Relationship-Can-Should-Be/dp/042523889X It is not the same but if you are not able to go for oldfashioned paper it may be useful. the other book is available as an audio CD (but I have never listened to it)

Is there a safe place where a copy could be delivered to...you won't regret having one to refe rto

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 14/03/2013 21:16

Kindle book must be on its way, though - there's a preview of it on Amazon. Confused

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