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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 14/03/2013 21:17

Ooh, Silvery! :o

foolonthehill · 14/03/2013 21:34

I know Charlotte (like the name by the way) it's been there a while...I routinely send a request for Kindle version every time I browse Amazon (not that I have a kindle!!!!)...just in case they actually listen. There's a link to click

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minkembra · 14/03/2013 21:37

Always welcome determined Smile

tis fi hugs. that is interesting re. provoking/ breaking the egg shells.

mrsM if you are ready to leave, leaving is enough. it is a brave thing to do you do not have to be superhuman. i asked him to leave in the middle of one of his rages. i did not give him much warning. but it does not matter him much warning or how many chances, he won't change. there is only a point giving them 'fair' warning if he might actually do something positive with it or if it will make things better for you. otherwise just leave whenever and however you find the strength.

minkembra · 14/03/2013 21:38

Just had exe's kids up for tea. Grin they are so lovely and i am so relieved not to have lost them. Smile

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 14/03/2013 21:43

Lovely kids, eh?... I'm so fed up of mine today. I love each one of them, but I regularly hate having so many of them. :(

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FairyFi · 14/03/2013 21:48

Thanks Mink

some satisfaction from car efforts today, but just called in to wave goodnight to all. Jeeeez.. shattered.. what IS it about thursdays hmmm tis Hmm

very honest Charlotte sometimes (regularly) just too much! If I had strength to send i would hun... have a (((hug))) instead? xx

nite y'all xx

foolonthehill · 14/03/2013 21:58

I would like to have all of my DCs...but on a shift basis, sometimes they are just a mob and it's all too much.

(off to make lemsip and go to bed (some chance))

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 14/03/2013 21:58

It'll all be (a bit) easier when I have a working washing machine - there's one small thing I can look forward to!

Off for an early(ish) night. xx

ponygirlcurtis · 14/03/2013 22:07

Just had a lovely long chat with a fab friend, who made me laugh and laugh. It was just what I needed tonight - I have been tending to retreat from speaking to people, I'm finding it hard to reach out and connect in RL, at just the point where I need my friends most. Thank goodness for my lovely ladies in the commune and the hilltop pub! Wine But RL support is important as well, so I must try and be better at that.

Nite all, off to have a larf at Keith Lemon (never got allowed to watch stuff like that cos FW didn't really like it sucked all the joy out of anything I thought was funny and he didn't ), with a Brew then go to bed. Fingers crossed for less nite-wakenings from the little monsters lovely DSs tonight! Grin

Thinking of you all.

minkembra · 14/03/2013 22:43

Laughing are the thought of the kids working in shifts. mine would just argue about whose shift it was.

the ex's kids are lovely because i am not their mum. so they are on best behaviour for me. Mind you they really are smashing kids. well adults these days 18 and 16

Charlotte Shock at no washing machine. that must be tough. i have love hate relationship with mine.

minkembra · 14/03/2013 22:50

pony know what you mean about rl friends with not reaching out and about needing them.

Glad you had a good laugh it is so good to laugh. Cannot wait until less of my time is spent thinking about this situation and more on living the rest of my life.

BreatheandFlyAway · 14/03/2013 23:51

Fi re toddler tantrum from fw - more of a martyr-ish on going sulk, not threatening though!

I too had a good old chuckle reading through our virtual piss up! (hope someone's rinsed out the boak spitoon!)

Silver - woo hoo! Smile

Charlotte - no washing machine! What a pain in the wotsits....

Mink I so know what you mean about less time on thinking about situation and more time on living - I wish that for me too!

BreatheandFlyAway · 14/03/2013 23:54

I had a lovely curry with dm and probably bored her senseless by off loading everything! Got a few things straight in my mind.

SO sleepy now, off to bed.... g'night all lovely commune dwellers xxxxx

PS have got myself on FP in April. I'm now a bit scared but I guess the exhaustion and hard work of it is well worth it? [hopeful emoticon]

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 15/03/2013 09:27

Teehee - I'm taller than FW here when I wear heels. Glad he's cut down to size. Shock at state of gum guard!

I have worked out why FW was so keen to talk to the kids this morning - he's meeting his parents and sister later. Probability that he'll casually drop into conversation something about "when I spoke to dc on the phone this morning" as though it's something regular that he does? Angry Thinking more of what he does is premeditated than I give him credit for.

Everything is tough today. His impending 5-day visit is looming like a black cloud. Slept most of last night teetering on the edge of the bed with DS's knees in my back. I have a chaotically messy house, a demanding toddler and phone calls to various tradesmen that I just want to AVOID! And DB coming tomorrow is a little draining to be with, plus all the extra cooking and thinking through what we'll do (bet it rains), which FW usually takes care of when we entertain.

Ok, rant over. As you were. I shall devour more Pringles and get through the day that way. Should've bought dirty-minded wotsits - they'd've taken the problems away, no doubt.

TheSilveryPussycat · 15/03/2013 09:42

I loved the piss up don't drink much but was out the back with a spliff

pony I found I was laughing out loud at things again, after divorce but before he'd actually gone. Ex would sort of look at me as if I was mad!

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FairyFi · 15/03/2013 10:38

Wondered what the silvery chatter was about... now i've seen ... woooo Wink What you doin out the back with the spliff silvery - much better in good company and sharing? Wink

fly FP wonderful (did I just say that?!?!?!) I shall qualify! Validation (sung to the tune of Roy Castle's 'Dedication, dedication... if you wanna be the best...) .... huge!
Working it all out! - massive! - safe place with no expectations of you atall. I am living proof that you can cry through every session if you want... or remain speechless throughout (gaping mouth an'all), or actively involve yourself and find connections with others in RL who are struggling with it too. Basically, go along, feel safe and do it to whatever level you want/need/feel comfortable with.

how beautiful Pony to be laughing out loud and letting go, insights into things being different, huh?

Good luck with the remould tis Smile

oh yy to the premeditation Charlotte ! - remember before his DP visits I would get sudden email interest over school/friends/activities specifics! - he was in contact 3 times at week at the time! WTF! Currenlty splitting down Cash & Carry size multipack of Dirty minded Wotsits! Will send a coupla of bumper bags over ...(keep you going .. should keep rowdy toddler quiet for a coupla mins too Wink

Dillie · 15/03/2013 16:03

My fw seems to puff up when he had one on him. But he is nearly 6ft and I am 5.5ft.

Having a big wobble today :(. Crappy day at work, got moaned at (but gently iyswim) for invoicing something wrong to a big client. Even though the boss was very good about it, still made me wobble to near tears :(

Just to top it off fw has now changed his mind after telling me he only has bank holds off at easter so I booked and paid for dd's childcare. He now says he wants a few days off! So I now have to see if I can get a refund. I am so tempted not to bother asking so he has to pay the extra!

Sorry, rant over!

Hope everyone is OK today

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 15/03/2013 16:13

Ok. I have had an email from FW.

Does he HAVE a brain? One thing he says is how much he values me as a wife and mother. Hahahahaha - he forgot as a woman in my own right! Hmm

But the really really weird thing is that he thinks (because I said I can't legally kick him out of the house, I suppose) that I want us to keep on living under the same roof together but separately!! Confused Total madness! I did say something about him moving out and the dcs staying with me, but I guess in his emotional wreck state on Monday he didn't take that in. But really - that's bonkers!!

Ohhhh yeah, and the other thing he suggests is that I go back to work and he stays at home with the dcs. Ha! He doesn't give up easily... The first thing he said last summer when I suggested it might come to this is "I'll keep the kids." Seems like that's still his attitude.

Dillie · 15/03/2013 16:24

Charlotte that is exactly how my fw was, so has effectively forced me to move out.

Living in the same house but separately is not easy. Some days are better than others, but he does low level fwittery all the time. The only bonus is I don't wash his underwear anymore! Grin

Can't wait to move out!

TheSilveryPussycat · 15/03/2013 17:53

I knew mine wouldn't go - he couldn't afford to till settlement done. Gritted teeth was the order of the day...

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 15/03/2013 19:57

Oh no... I (naively) never dreamt that he'd kick up a fuss about leaving. And I can't stop him staying - indefinitely? Unless and until I can offer to buy him out or something.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 15/03/2013 21:28

He keeps saying how sorry he is that he didn't make me feel loved and valued.

Like I'm leaving him because he wasn't expressive enough, rather than because he was AN ABUSIVE TWUNT! Hmm :o

Gah, don't quite believe myself tonight, though. And he's coming back home on Sunday and staying for long enough to talk my head into a spin again. A friend said she could see it working already...