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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships number 7

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foolonthehill · 10/03/2012 10:46

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Financial abuse Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.

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arthriticfingers · 16/03/2012 07:43

:(<

ThePinkPussycat · 16/03/2012 07:57
HotDAMNlifeisgood · 16/03/2012 10:55

Bravo, out

And welcome.

thebighouse · 16/03/2012 11:08

These threads definitely help... The thing about EA is that it is so subtle... I struggle all the time, wondering if maybe I am just MAD and have imagined that XH did all of those things... or maybe I'm a bitch for leaving him because he didn't mean to do so, not consciously anyway.

DH is really massively depressed now that I've gone. His bedside cabinet is stuffed with about a million boxes of Valium (his GP is a friend). It's really hard not to feel responsible for destroying him.

Then again, every day I am reminded of all the little things that he did that just made me feel like crap. From the moment I wake up in my white bedroom (he hated white paint and wouldn't let me paint anything white), I get dressed into stuff I know he hates, wear moisturiser that he hates, make tea using the wrong number of tea bags, listen to music he hates. Of course he would say that if he'd realised that I would ever leave, then he would have put up with all of that. But I don't want someone to 'put up' with me. I want someone to LIKE me and be NICE to me and not to snap at me because I've made a pot of tea wrong. Why do all those things in the first place?

Argh!

ThePinkPussycat · 16/03/2012 11:24

Welcome, out - sorry it looked like I was ignoring you Sad

I too lurked for a while (not as long as you), my whole situation was making me depressed - knew I was depressed but didn't realise why - was so depressed couldn't even summon energy to get away for a bit, till one night after weeping and being ignored I managed to get out to a hotel for the night. Don't think I would have done it without MN. And after that, the fog started to clear...

HoudiniHissy · 16/03/2012 11:37

I am DELIGHTED that we have coaxed TWO lurkers out of lurkerdom this WEEK!

I am so proud of you both for coming on here and posting!

outofthequandry It's early days, it'll take a while for the fear of him to subside, but it will. Then you will think to yourself... WTF!? I'll write what I WANT to write and as it's the truth, let him take me to court to prove otherwise! One day you WILL be that ballsy!

veeee We all feel to blame, but we are not. have you read WHY DOES HE DO THAT by Lundy Bancroft? It will absolve you of all blame. It's a fantastic book, really!

bighouse good girl! glad to hear you are living YOUR life! great isn't it! You WILL find someone that loves you for you and doesn't care about white paint, tea bags or whatever bollocks your ex kicked off about.

HoudiniHissy · 16/03/2012 11:39

I had a convo with the Ex yesterday, dripping with honey he was....

I know I hurt you, I'm so sorry, what can I do to make it right etc etc. [vomit]

I don't care, his words don't really affect me much any more. I don't hate him. I told him that. Hating takes too much energy, and he's not worth my wasting that kind of resources on him.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 16/03/2012 13:09

what can I do to make it right

"By understanding that 'it's over' means 'it's over'."

garlicbutter · 16/03/2012 13:26

Hating takes too much energy, and he's not worth it

YY, Hissy, I REALLY enjoyed telling XH that! Also, when he was rabbiting on about what I needed/wanted, "Don't tell me what I need. You've got your own issues to sort out, leave mine to me."

Twat Grin

ThePinkPussycat · 16/03/2012 13:29

I don't hate ex, sometimes I loathe him though. This seems to take less energy.

Lay in bed last night feeling sad for the man I thought he was.

foolonthehill · 16/03/2012 14:11

thanks all. (happy to receive un-MNlike displays of solidarity and affection....)

Just finished a week of listening to DCs in concerts every day (different DCs, different music, same inaccessible venue) Smallest were fantastic....so of course someone told me I was wrong to bring titchies to this as it was unfair to others listening (bearing in mind they were almost completely silent...munched bics and watched/listened..no crying/or anything) Just about bit my lip and smiled at them..........they were obviously grandparents...it was a schools concert, sibs were welcome......

went outside after and walked very fast to keep the feelings away (singing at top of voice also works...but inadvisable in public place!)

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arthriticfingers · 16/03/2012 14:16

Agree about singing; the volume on the new cd player is set so high I am waiting to be arrested for disturbing the peace. It is wonderfully cathartic - it also embarrasses my teenagers no end, but that is just an added benefit ;)

HoudiniHissy · 16/03/2012 14:23

Oooh Fool, i HATE that music snobbery!

DS (6) loves music, and I take him to all manner of things. The best reply to people who say anything is that How on earth do these old people that moan think that music will survive if children are banned from attending.

My boy gets old ladies giving him money as reward for sitting so nicely. helps if you have a sympathetic orchestra, but you know those GP had no right to say anything. Next time, don't let them off without a flea in their ear.

Plan a come back.... then it will merely trip from your tongue. Your DC had every right to be there... they are watching their siblings play. That gives them MORE rights to watch than GP actually.... oh, and then flip them an Adele Grin

HoudiniHissy · 16/03/2012 14:25

HotDamn.. tbf, that what can I do text was a while ago...

I tweeted:

Twitter, without using the phrase 'Go FF yourself' kindly provide me with replies to the question from abusive X What can I do to make you happy?

My twitter feed lit up like an FFing christmas tree! Grin I had texts, DMS and all sorts it was like managing a nerve centre! Grin

arthriticfingers · 16/03/2012 14:30

On a tougher note, FWH is also still trying to be on his best behaviour. I have given up trying to convince him I am going. He has now taken to agreeing with everything I say while nodding his head with a serious expression. I have the suspicion that he sees it as one of those computer games where you have to come up with a random answer and he will be able to continue his merry way. I don't think it has occurred to him that I exist as an actual human being.
Wish I could stop hoping it will all come right, but at least I am moving away.

HoudiniHissy · 16/03/2012 14:32

Keep doing what you are doing.

Trust me it'll get more freaky when he realises you really ARE going. Keep focussed, don't divert from your path, you know you have to do this, and know that one day he'll be gone from your day to day.

Mine went through this, guessing it's standard....

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 16/03/2012 15:31

My twitter feed lit up like an FFing christmas tree!

Top 3 replies?

ThePinkPussycat · 16/03/2012 15:36

I have always liked the music loud for certain albums and tracks, and it has been very difficult to do this without incurring the wrath of the household. It's one of the things I do when I've got the house to myself.

Smells like Teen Spirit, anyone? Wink

arthriticfingers · 16/03/2012 15:38

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Me, too!

ParsleyTheLioness · 16/03/2012 19:37

Hi women! I am in a frothing mood. NSDH has been here tonight to see dd. All fine so far. He is going to see Old Bag Mil on Sunday to kiss her arse. As she was heavily involved in making problems in our relationship, over the course of 20 yrs, I just feel really naffed off that he will be doing that, and I will not be part of 'our' family for Mothers Day. He sort of hates her, but still does this. As he doesn't live here, and I see no hope after his appalling behaviour of us ever being 'together', I have no right to object. I think I'm going to have to ask him to stop telling me this stuff...

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 16/03/2012 19:40

enh, she's welcome to him, no?

ParsleyTheLioness · 16/03/2012 20:04

She is welcome to him. They kinda deserve each other. Just feel sad and mad that she has got what she wanted, which is Best Boy away from his nasty wife...permanently. I'll get over it I;m sure!

ParsleyTheLioness · 16/03/2012 20:05

How are you Hotdam?

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 16/03/2012 20:06

Why do you ask, Parsley?

ParsleyTheLioness · 16/03/2012 20:07

Just so we're not just tallking me me me. Though I like that of course Grin...