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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships number 7

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foolonthehill · 10/03/2012 10:46

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Financial abuse Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 16/03/2012 20:10

It's what the internet was made for!

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 16/03/2012 20:11

I thought you might be asking since I am getting a little het up on another thread trying to explain the concept of victim-blaming to a victim-blamer.

ParsleyTheLioness · 16/03/2012 20:24

Nope, not on that thread...

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 16/03/2012 20:27

It's the third in as many days where a poster's husband is sexually assaulting her in her sleep. Someone on the thread is spending a lot of energy angrily contending that since she didn't tell him she didn't want to be sexually assaulted without her consent, how could the poor H be expected to know better?

...

Rather angrifying.

ParsleyTheLioness · 16/03/2012 20:34

I'm with you. You would assume the women would 'get it' in this day and age.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 16/03/2012 20:40

Not necessarily. One of the primary reasons for victim blaming is for the blamer to reassure themselves that it could never possibly happen to them, no - must be because that other person is so defective.

Hence why women have a very strong incentive to victim-blame, since they have a very strong reason to fear male abuse.

ParsleyTheLioness · 16/03/2012 20:43

But then you have to live in denial. But maybe that's more comfortable for some people.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 16/03/2012 20:48

Denial is a powerful and comforting thing.

Frankly, we're all in denial about so many things, all of the time. I don't think about how my consumption patterns affect the planet, which small child in a third world country sewed my cheap H&M clothing, etc etc, because to do so would mean I would have to change my ways.

I broke through the denial about how X was abusive to me because the harm was too great and too close to home to ignore anymore. But there are plenty of things we can happily remain in denial about.

Doesn't make it right, of course.

ParsleyTheLioness · 16/03/2012 20:53

Yes. I think when you face up to fwit behaviour, and come out of denial, it enables the scales to fall about other things too, particularly abuse in others relationships, including on-line. I think it is extremely difficult to live exactly as I would like to in an ideal world with regard to consumerism etc. I have resigned myself to a an imperfect best...

detachandtrustyourself · 16/03/2012 21:13

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ParsleyTheLioness · 16/03/2012 21:18

Maybe you could PM her and tell her about this thread...not everyone is ready to face up to the fact that they are being abused. People come to it in their own time, and sometimes never...

foolonthehill · 16/03/2012 21:19

I've tried to reason with myself that on a global level doing something is better than doing nothing, and doing more sometimes is better than doing less all the times even if I slip out of it frequently.....

on a more down-to-earth level I am AMAZED that people will basically hijack a thread and tell an OP to "suck it up" or to put themselves in the shoes of the abuser and excuse them...fortunately there's some good straight talking out there...but then again some of the straight talking has been a bit off as well...IMO...fortunately the OPs seem to have been able to take what they need from their threads and leave the rest.....!!

What I am frequently amazed at is the number of silent readers that are gaining insight from these threads...some come forward and wave at us...but think how many other people may be gaining from the anonymous (ish) discussions here.

Glad you are here.

On a more selfish note....argh with the flash-backs still..... hoping for a calm weekend with impeccably behaved children Hmm to put myself back together again.....

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HoudiniHissy · 16/03/2012 21:20

a1b2 - can you do a link for us?

foolonthehill · 16/03/2012 21:23

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1429583-Just-separated-50-50-split-is-breaking-my-heart this one I think

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HoudiniHissy · 16/03/2012 21:24

I found the thread. I think she will be OK for now, but we can keep an eye out. I think she's kind of not ready for the abuse stuff yet, she has too much other stuff going on. She needs the dust to settle a little. It will.

HoudiniHissy · 16/03/2012 21:26

Let her get the DC back for her visit and she will feel a bit better, then she will relax a little more at home when they are not there. Then her mind will start to let go and she will see things more clearly.

detachandtrustyourself · 16/03/2012 21:26

I haven't yet learned to do a link as I am beginning to be profficient in technology.

fool on the hill, yes that's the one

detachandtrustyourself · 16/03/2012 21:34

Thanks.

beautifulwho · 16/03/2012 21:34

Hello Blush thought I might come and join you if that's ok? Firstly, sorry foolonthehill if I triggered bad memories. I get flashbacks sometimes and they're terrible. I thought, maybe I would be needing this thread over the next few months x

HoudiniHissy · 16/03/2012 21:38

welcome beautifulwho. it's OK. I got flashbacks of something the other day, not even triggered by anything, they just came along of their own accord. Tis our body giving that shit an airing, the more we face it, the less power it holds over us.

We'll be here for you on this thread and 8,9 and 10... whatever we can do, even if it's just a place for you to come and vent.. that works too!

foolonthehill · 16/03/2012 21:38

Beautiful...you are more than welcome on this thread. You should not feel sorry about my flashbacks or anyone else's memories of bad experiences being triggered by what happened to you. Neither things were in your gift or under your control! And they'd all have to be dealt with somewhere, sometime anyhow.

I am so glad you feel able to be here Brew for you

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HoudiniHissy · 16/03/2012 21:40

oh meant to say a1b2, you'd never look an idiot for caring. I think it was so lovely of you to come and raise our awareness of her. Thank you. (((hug))) Thanks

BibiBlocksberg · 16/03/2012 21:51

"well I'm going to risk posting this even if it makes me look an idiot"

Caring about someone elses welfare especially in the situations discussed on this thread will never make anyone look like an idiot.

Will have a look at that thread you flagged a1b2, I would have sworn up and down and sideways that I wasn't being controlled in my relationships. Took a long time to unravel the truth with the help from the wonderful people on MN.

Hello beautifulwho, hope this and subsequent threads will be of help to you in whatever way you need right now.

Came on to share my absolute horror at the threads appearing dealing with men who just help themselves to their sleeping partners bodies and think it's perfectly ok Shock

Mind you, I never fully realised until very recently that my body is my own and just because a partner or anyone else feels like touching it or doing whatever else to it when I don't want them to doesn't mean I have to let them.

I can fully understand the guilt induced by these selfish so called men when they act all hurt and horrified and yet entitled to assault their partners again and again.

Still digging around inside my memories to see where that idea came from, who in my past showed me/told me that my own body exists to please someone else without that person taking into account how I feel about it because I sure as hell wasn't born with that dodgy 'knowledge

detachandtrustyourself · 16/03/2012 22:06

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detachandtrustyourself · 16/03/2012 23:56

Thanks hou and bibi