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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships number 7

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foolonthehill · 10/03/2012 10:46

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Financial abuse Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.

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EvacuationWarden · 29/03/2012 11:54

Have spaghetti head again this morning.

We sat down and had another crisis talk last night, I listed all the things I had problems with and we went through it one by one. The upshot is that he things 15 out of the 17 things can be fixed easily but there are two that we are going to have to work on.

How the fuck did that happen? I was looking at rental houses in the afternoon, getting my finances in order so that I could be sure I was able to support dc and I without him and now we're having another go? And almost all of the things I am unhappy about are "non issues" that can be easily fixed?

Was there an issue with the space/time continuum that I didn't know about?

(sound of fried Brian - veggie options available- imploding)

Abitwobblynow · 29/03/2012 11:54

None for me either, Fool.

He sees me as this persecuting harridan who won't let go of a grudge (there is some of that tho! :)

What I would long for is for him to say 'I am so sorry. It must have been ... how could I have been such a ....'

But as he is a narcissist (double diagnosed) that is a stupid thing to wish for.

foolonthehill · 29/03/2012 12:05

EW: I think in your talks you are inadvertently giving him ammunition with which to undermine both your position and your thinking...so he thinks 15/17 are "easily fixable"?? Let me guess..by you doing X, Y and Z.

There are good reasons why Women's Aid suggest that you do not discuss EA with the perpetrators. It's because they use the information to their own advantage.

Here is a link to should I stay or should I go bonus material which you can print out for your man if you think he is serious about changing...DON'T give him the link...print it off for him as otherwise he may use the other material to come back at you (and who needs more spaghetti head, right???).

I am so sorry he is messing with your head. Stay strong and keep on keeping on!

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foolonthehill · 29/03/2012 12:08

Wobbly...I now rejoice in my assumed role in his head...cos why on earth would he want me if this is true???or even if this is how he sees me??

of course, we all want acknowledgement and unreserved apology!!

Narcissism doesn't lend itself to this though does it? Maybe not so much stupid as overoptimistic (and let's face it we probably all are...or at least were!)

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arthriticfingers · 29/03/2012 16:03

No, no, Wobbly you must have got us mixed up I am this persecuting harridan who won't let go of a grudge Wink
Now, I , though, am acknowledged: as FWH himself said, I am his wife Confused

arthriticfingers · 29/03/2012 16:06

Thanks for the material Fool will look through it. May even tell FWH about it, but he can print it himself if he wants to - see printer story above Wink
EW, I agree with Fool Stop Engaging - advice the wonderful women here gave me.

Sweepitundertherug · 29/03/2012 16:11

Got the book. What an eye opener.

I'll never look at h again in the same light.

You know, I thought he perhaps didn't realise quite what he was doing. Now I really do know that he does.

EvacuationWarden · 29/03/2012 16:28

Fool absolutely no way I could give him that- he would wig out totally. That is written from the perspective of me not being at fault AT ALL, and him accepting that he is the "bad guy" in the situation. Whilst he can acknowledge that there are things he needs to change, he cannot accept that the blame lies entirely at his feet and even I am not sure that this is the case. Although last night he did acknowledge that his sulks and moods were unreasonable, and that it wasn't fair to be cross at me for failing to be perfect.

He also managed to tell me the reasons for loving me- for the first time in 17 years. And this made me cry because they were nice reasons and I was so sad that I'd never been told them before. And he understood why I was crying, and he didn't know why it has taken 17 years, and he agreed with me when I said that those sorts of reasons are the things that nice men are tripping over themselves to tell the woman they love about.

BUT...and this is a big but... we will be back here in the same place again, and I know this. I do not believe him when he says he will change.

Sweepitundertherug · 29/03/2012 16:44

EW, he will say ther right things for now but he won't change. Soon he'll be back to his old ways.

These men know what to say when they have to. x

foolonthehill · 29/03/2012 21:05

fingers I suggest you Don't let him print it himself because the link gives him access to stuff that will give him more ammunition....even Lundy says don't give them the link........ more trouble than it's worth!

EW your post says it all......I do not believe him when he says he will change. neither do I. And admitting that he is doing a few small things wrong does not tackle the entitled behaviour that leads to these things...and he will always come back with the "well I've tacked this so now you have to deal with your stuff". So sad....but not unusual...in fact they are all so so the same

PS NO " I am this persecuting harridan who won't let go of a grudge" that's me that is...oh and I am also "an unbearable know-it-all"!!!Wink

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foolonthehill · 29/03/2012 21:06

*tackled....grrr

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arthriticfingers · 29/03/2012 21:41

We really must get this straight. I am the one who doesn't give a man a moment's peace; it is me who goes on and on because my only intention is because I enjoy irritating FWH; and the the negative misery guts who can only moan, that's me, too; finally the drone who keeps bringing up old old stuff is yours truly, so that unbearable know-it-all teacher's voice belongs to ... Arth* Grin Wink

foolonthehill · 29/03/2012 21:46

Grin at Arth

but are you the one who refused to go back to work as a and left him with the pressure of providing for the family?? (Note I have never been out of work, whilst he works approx 3 months per year) and did you also ruin the finances by paying off his debts no surely that is all mine!!!

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arthriticfingers · 29/03/2012 22:11

Ok, Fool that one is yours :)
Perhaps we could specialize? So, you, Fool are the one who brought the family to financial ruin (by being in work for the whole time) Wink
I shall think of mine for tomorrow :)
While drawing up the characteristics we have in common.
Don't worry about the link - like FWH could be arsed - especially when the football's on.

topknob · 29/03/2012 22:32

I just did the 'I have different opinions talk' with dh, that went down well, not !

ThePinkPussycat · 29/03/2012 22:53

I am the drug crazed lunatic who wants to 'have her day in court' to 'take him to the proverbial cleaners.' (quotes are genuine from letters he has written to my sol)

LittleHouseofCamelias · 29/03/2012 23:00

Hi topknob are you ok?

I have just been told by my two colleagues of 16 years and 6 years duration that I am not the "bad-tempered abusive" person my FWH portrays. Just maybe it wasn't me it was him!!!

thebighouse · 30/03/2012 00:21

No no no. I am "Trying to destroy him" by "Leaving him with absolutely nothing."

I've done this by leaving the family home, pets, children and savings, and moving into a small flat around the corner.

What a bitch. Hmm

Wrenner · 30/03/2012 06:52

Top- are you ok???

Evac- how's u ?? Do you love him? What's he like as a father??

Situation here diabolical but plodding on!! Smile

Sweepitundertherug · 30/03/2012 07:20

Good morning.

Mine is only happy when everything is his way.

He was mean to me when I told him to get his jeans from the wardrobe last night ready for me to pack. He has a weird storage system and knowing me I'd get the wrong jeans. He was saying those jeans go there and those other ones go there, so you just needed to get jeans from there. Like I would know FFs. I am sick of the nastiness every time something, even very small, is not to his liking.

arthriticfingers · 30/03/2012 08:39

We, obviously, deserve each other
Ok, got mine: I am the menopausal alcoholic who is ruining a happy family for no other reason than I get such enjoyment out of winding him up Grin.
I saw the 'money grubbing bitch' coming and told him to take all his worldly goods and stick them where the sun don't shine Grin

iwillbefree · 30/03/2012 09:13

my go my go

"we were fine before you changed, all you do is work all the time and sleep" Hmm

I got up of the sofa last night. Where are you going? outside for a cig I reply. No you're not he says, and keeps hold of me. Let me go I'm making a cup of tea aswell, well you can make a cup of tea but dont go outside for a fag. He sees my scowling face then says "I'm only joking" Hmm

Puts kettle on and goes out for a cig. Come in and I ask him to rewind the film for the bit I missed, no I wont if you hadnt gone out for a fag you would have seen it.

knob

Wrenner · 30/03/2012 09:25

I got full named again last night.... Condescending so and so!!!!!Angry

detachandtrustyourself · 30/03/2012 09:37

Any one who's H or P is being nice (relatively). Remember it's IMO part of the cycle of abuse. He's trying to draw you in again, any way he can.

Good idea to keep a record of the "little" events. They do have significance IMO.

arthriticfingers · 30/03/2012 09:43

Are we all 'bitter and twisted', or can I have that, too :)

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