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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships number 7

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foolonthehill · 10/03/2012 10:46

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Financial abuse Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.

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Wrenner · 26/03/2012 15:49

Was it always like this evacuation? Sad

thebighouse · 26/03/2012 16:06

Warden: it was GREAT when I left to throw out all the accessories and outfits! Bloody great bin bags of stuff! NO MORE!

EvacuationWarden · 26/03/2012 16:37

Thanks everyone for your kind supportive words. I am also ridden with pmt which makes everything harder to bear, and so maybe prone to a bit of drama, although h just says that the PMT is the reason for my dissatisfaction. WRONG. I am dissatisfied the rest of the month too but when I am hormonal I can't keep the mask on any longer.

Yes Wrenner I think it always has been this way. We met relatively young, 19 and 20, and my parents had just split up. Whilst I maintained a composed exterior I felt massively uprooted and adfrift in my life, having just left home for uni too, and I think he provided the stability I was really craving. To begin with though he was way more into me than I was him. And I tried to end it with him when we'd been together a couple of years- I was fed up of him being difficult when I wanted to see a particular friend of mine and felt stifled by the fact that he wanted to move out of his parents house but wouldn?t go and get a flatshare/rent his own place like other 22 year olds do but only wanted to move in with me into the house I'd just bought- but he was so upset and so persuasive that I thought wow- he really loves me- and we got back together.

We married when I was 24, and within 6 months I was looking in estate agents windows for a place of my own because I was convinced I'd done something terribly wrong to him because he was so so dismissive of me, acted like I wasn't important. And I was doing the good little wifey thing, trying to keep the house spick and span/cooking his favourite foods to keep him happy/working hard at my career to earn more money because he was proud of me if I earned more (well actually the more I earned the less he needed to contribute to the pot because that?s how our finances worked, so that?s the real reason he was "proud" of me)

All of our friends have always said what an easy life he has and how easygoing I am- I used to be pleased with this, I thought it meant we had a relationship that other people thought worked well because we were nicer to each other than anyone else we knew.

Do you know, and this is absolutely true- but writing all that has made me realise that the signs were all there weren't they? He's totally manipulated me into this position. I have never ever thought about this before.

bighouse you too? BAGfuls of it???! Shock indeed.

He has been texting me all day about how much he enjoyed last night and how I had a dirty look in my eye- think he's brewing up for more tonight Shock

How do I tell him that the look he is referring to was me putting on a very finely honed act as I knew it would, ahem, "speed him up" and it would be over. Or it might have been the bit where I was thinking about what I would put in dc1's lunchbox today, ah that look...Grin. In my moments of inner rage I think about telling him that in our whole relationship, the amount of times he thinks that he's satisfied me can be divided by about 1000 and he'd still be overestimating. Put that in your pipe and smoke it you wierdo.

I so don't want to get "intimate" again tonight but know that if I don't he will get sulky and make the next couple of days hard work. He went out at the weekend with some friends who he has not seen for ages and I knew they were going to a "gentleman only" club. I asked him to please at least not get a private lapdance- the thought of him paying someone to do this makes me hate him more, the fact that I think he would is almost as bad- and he text me to say that he had not done so, as "instructed", but was looking forward to a private one from me when he got home

How do I detach or disengage from this??

SunshineOnTheMountain · 26/03/2012 16:52

Name changed for this thread. I came to Mumsnet with a question on a particular issue and later stumbled upon the relationships board. I have learned a whole new vocabulary, including EA and VA; I recognise lots of patterns that I can identify with but I haven't posted about my story yet.

bighouse I liked hearing your ramblings, it is nice to hear about how nice men behave and what they do in bed.

Wrenner · 26/03/2012 17:56

Hi sunshine I too posted on relationships and entered a whole new world! My thread is 6 year relationship in the loo- if u wana read and identify? Welcome tho Smile

LittleHouseofCamelias · 26/03/2012 17:57

bighouse I share your total delight and astonishment that there are such nice men out there. I have been with my Very Nice Man for over six months now and we still haven't managed to have even the smallest argument. He appears not to trigger any of my defensiveness or allegedly hot temper, and I am just beginning to trust myself after being branded Abusive by FWH.

The VNM does things nobody has ever done for me before, like going out and defrosting my car windscreen ten minutes before I leave for work and putting me first in bed.

I think it is important to learn from this that those of us who have lived for years with selfish men who do not show consideration or kindnes have a very low baseline and do not understand that normal men treat women better than we are used to. I am quite vehement now that I would never accept being treated badly again, and I talk to my DC about raising expectations so they do not think what they grew up with is normal!

I am glad you have found a good one. I know I have!

BertieBotts · 26/03/2012 18:43

That's so lovely bighouse - it's good to read things like this. I used to make comparisons almost all the time and I wish I'd written them down now, because it's got to the stage where loveliness is normal :) and I don't tend to remember what XP was like unless something specifically reminds me.

Abitwobblynow · 26/03/2012 19:14

Just reporting in: I confronted IC and told him I felt very let down by him last week.

He was thrilled! Confirmed he had let me down.

Why? 'Because H's defenses were just so strong that there was absolutely no point in confronting him'. He said to me: you two aren't even in the same book, let alone the same page. [I think I heard: leeeeeeeeeeave him!]

He said: your H is one of the most frightened and unhappy little boys (childhood wounding), I felt so sorry for him.

I just want him out of my life.

I was quite cheerful when he walked through the door this pm. Two put downs later, I have withdrawn.

Please, just go away and get out of my life!!!!!!!

Abitwobblynow · 26/03/2012 19:15

Oh, I forgot: that he uses up just about ALL his psychic energy keeping it together, his internal chaos is so much.

foolonthehill · 26/03/2012 20:34

Wobbly....Ruuuuuuuuuuuuun!

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thebighouse · 26/03/2012 20:43

EW: you sound a lot like me in the 'end days'. I had sex to avoid confrontation/sulking. I ended up crying during but he never looked at me during sex so never realised.

Outfits were pretty essential which at the time I told myself were all liberal and fun but now I just think were objectifying. Now I have GOT RID.

My XH is devastated, cries all the time. It is the hardest part of leaving. But then it was ME spending all my time drinking and cring before I left. I don't want that for my life. He will mend when he finds another vulnerable woman with low self esteem....

foolonthehill · 26/03/2012 20:53

and again we say...it is not our job to mend these broken men...only they can do that if and when they acknowledge what is wrong, seek help and put in the work.

It's not our job to mend them
we cannot succeed in mending them
But we can be destroyed in the attempt....

Don't let your pity for them override your pity and love for you and your DCs (if you have them)

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Wrenner · 27/03/2012 08:01

Evacuation!!! I think you are in my head!! I suddenly get worse with pmt although I have the coil then feel mental like "whys it suddenly got worse?!" but your right it's rubbish most the time and pmt just exaggerates it!!
We went out for dinner last night and had a few rows, same rubbish really. Him correcting me, being horrible and making me feel stupid. Sad we did however talk for a while after which was good. Realised I was telling him things from 4 weeks ago! Never have the time to talk with two young dcs! He is seeing a woman for grief counselling which I'm pleased about - not that it will fix him but that he's putting in the effort to try things?! In very confused still and still dbout if he can change but feel I have to try..., think it might do me good to get a life too rather than be stuck in the house. Wish I knew what to do really... Lots of 'shoulds' in my head too. He did listen to me and rather than disagree and tell me im wrong he saw what I was saying... Proof is in the pudding I guess?! Confused

Wrenner · 27/03/2012 08:02

Wobbly did ic help?? I'm considering it.. Sorry if you have mentioned already I can't see full thread from iPod! Angry

SingleNow · 27/03/2012 08:42

After 6 years in an emotionally abusive relationship I am finally free of it. 8 weeks he has been out of my home with the relationship having been totally dead for over 2yrs.

I cannot describe the relief i feel now.

veeeee · 27/03/2012 09:53

evacuation yet again you are describing my life and thoughts perfectly! I feel so sad for you and voices in my head are asking "why is she still with him???". And then I look at myself and wonder why can't I be as angry about my situation as I am about yours?!

foolonthehill · 27/03/2012 10:15

single now well done, and welcome. Have great joy in reclaiming your space...first your home and then your heart and head...or maybe for you it's the other way round?

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SingleNow · 27/03/2012 10:31

Fool, its very strange because over the last 3yrs i have slowly regained all of those things. Now he has gone I have slotted into life without a care iyswim?

Sweepitundertherug · 27/03/2012 10:31

Singlenow, how wonderful x

Evacuation warden I also hate having sex with my h now as well. Also he always goes on about me dressing up and stuff. Oh and going around in a short skirt and no knickers. Not very practical or warm. I get really cold as well. Sex is all for his as well. Occasionally he'll make the effort for me but it doesn't take me 2 mins so I think he gets bored. I am on avoidance tactics till I leave,

EvacuationWarden · 27/03/2012 10:45

Wrenner- I have the coil as well, and whilst I've always had PMT even when using different contraception I do find that my PMT is much more intense now. It?s the non-hormone one, so just an old fashioned copper coil, and whereas before I'd get a bit weepy and easily upset for a week now I am a raving loony for two days. Can't concentrate, v sleepy, massive sugar cravings- but maybe this is just what my "normal" pmt is, whereas before it was influenced by contraceptives. I do know that H just uses it as an excuse for my distress, so he can dismiss it as just me being hormonal and not that he is being mean. Wanker.

(I am sorry to use such language here, I know lots of people don't find it nice but I do swear a lot in real life and sometimes a rude word is the only one that fits the situation!)

SingleNow- hello :) its so so good to hear some escapee news! Hearing about others who have summoned the resolve to make that final leap is really encouraging- I can live in hope that I will one day soon make that choice too. I am always interested to know- how did you tell him? How did he react? What was the straw that broke the SingleNow Camel's back?

Veeeee - Think there are a few of us at this stage aren't there? You've said it exactly- we feel so much sorrow for other people describing their situation but when the tables are turned and its us, we just feel powerless to do anything. Objectively I know what I should do, but add emotions into the mix and its soooo complex! I feel like my brain is a lot like Kerplunk - a whole mess of criss-crosses that are keeping some weird marbley shit tangled up. If I can sort the sticks out, take them one by one and tidy them up then all the marbley thoughts will start moving about and eventually run freely and it will become so much clearer and neater.

Or maybe I'm just an oddball who thinks in 70's games! :)

Sunshine I am another one who stumbled here quite by accident- I posted in AIBU a few times about him and one thread about how I felt our family finances were stacked against me, (easiest way to describe it is that he could afford to pay £25k cash for a posh car, I had to put work shoes on my xmas list as I couldn't afford to buy new ones) turned into a longish one and after lots of eye opening/advice/shocked opinion from other mnetters over that and other things that emerged during the thread I made my way to relationships and started reading there. But only read the precursor to this thread just after Christmas- I'd not even thought to open it because I just didn't think I needed it. Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha bloody ha.

I must say that mnet has been here for me at every stage of my life since I found it- ttc, being pregnant, antenatal threads, going back to work, having dc2, dc1 starting school, and now this. It is a constant friend. I think every woman should be given the web address upon reaching adulthood!

EvacuationWarden · 27/03/2012 10:50

Sweep they can be just vile cant they? So Angry for you at the short skirt scenario (maybe a little Envy too that your legs are that good ;)

Sweepitundertherug · 27/03/2012 10:52

EW, I have begun shaving them less Wink

EvacuationWarden · 27/03/2012 11:19

Tee hee! I do like a bit of silent defiance. H hates short nails - I bite mine mercilessly. He loves my hair blond - I let it grow its naturally mousey red. He is keen on the local "yummy mummy" look (yuck I hate that phrase) - gilet, skinny jeans, boots, posh scarf, pearls- I prefer rockabilly 50's inspired stuff and have just ordered a few things I like. Because I have had a little bonus at work and have not told him! Ha! (last time I had one he made me spend it all on ordering oil for the heating, because he was skint because of his new posh car.) The levels of fuckwittery we put up with but that don?t really register in our brains as unreasonable is astounding, honestly it is.

Yesterday I was feeling worn down. Today I am cross at him. He is a wankstain on the tissue of humanity. (I stole that from a source unknown, but love it!)

Wrenner · 27/03/2012 11:23

Evacuation- are your finances a power struggle too ? I've been with him 6 years and 2 ds and only now after much debate had he agreed to joint account!!!AngryHmm
He has been giving me money which I detest but just like you he drives a bloody merc and spends his money how he feels fit. He has other flats and has used excuse of rearranging direct debits as hassle. I do see this but like I said , after much debate he has seen my point of view (Yey) pathetic isn't it?! I do feel more positive after last nights meal. Also hard to have 2 seconds to think with 2 ds under 4! Sleep deprevation doesn't help anything. Think I feel better as driving to my mums in a week (6 hours away) with dc alone! Argh! Never done this as hate moterway driving but feel like I need to start doing these silly baby steps to know that I will be ok ON MY OWN! Confused

Anniegetyourgun · 27/03/2012 11:31

Warden...

him having enough money to blow on a £25k car and me not having lunch money

That, alone, is enough justification to leave the bastard.