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Support for those in emotionally abusive relationships 2

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bigbuttons · 28/06/2011 06:45

try againHmm

OP posts:
Mouseface · 01/07/2011 13:13

bejeezus - hold onto those happy memories. They are yours to keep. Hold them in your heart.

In your head, you need to hold the reasons why you have sent that certificate.

Not because you are happy, not because you are having a lovely day........

Stay strong. It's okay to wobble sweets, especially when you are having to give things like that to solicitors.

It hurts. It makes you feel so lost and empty.

But you have to do this to be free, to live again, to find MORE happy memories xx

bejeezus · 01/07/2011 13:23

thanks Mouse

I know you are right

It is just SO HARD when the anger subsides

need to get angry again

bejeezus · 01/07/2011 13:33

actually--i dont want to be angry do i?! i just realised I posted the other day feeling upset at the anger that he has caused me!

Grrrrr...I DONT want to richocete between anger and heartbreak like this...its awful

I know I know...it will get better Sad Smile Wine Wine Wine

HerHissyness · 01/07/2011 13:46

bejeezus, you got sad, you got angry, and that made you upset again.

So now is the time to tell yourself that no-one deserves to go through all this. YOU deserve better, and it WILL get better. Can't get much worse now can it?

Soon there will be no heartbreak.

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 01/07/2011 14:23

bejeezus I stil have lovely memories of my wedding day. It was the happiest day of my life. Not because I was getting married, in the main, but because all the people I loved most in the world had all gathered in one place for me, and they were all happy and filled with love, as was I. And I threw a hell of a party for them! Wink

And even if your wedding day memories and memories of moments in your marriage are about the romance you were having with your stbx, well, those were powerful and romantic moments, and they did mean something to you. You don't need to renounce those memories or feel that they are tarnished! They are part of your past and your most cherished experiences.

BN138 · 01/07/2011 14:31

I'm so glad to have found this thread. I'm reading it at work, and just burst in to tears at my desk, which was a little embarressing. But everything that you are saying rings so true in my relationship. Especially the anger that I am now carrying. This quote from Beejeezus's note rings so true in my life:

"They present an exterior of calm, rational self-control, when in reality, they have no internal control of their own pain and chaotic self-hate, so they try to control others, and drive others to LOSE control. If an abuser can cause YOU to lose control, it proves how healthy HE is, so he can say, explicitly, or implicitly (it's amazing how sighs, and rolling of the eyes can accomplish as much as words), "There you go again, losing it, crying and yelling. I'm not the one who needs therapy, you are." Unfortunately, if an outsider sees the abuse at all, all they see is an outburst from you, NOT the abuse that triggered it. It may make you feel as if you have had all your lifelines withdrawn, as if you are going crazy"

I am the one in therapy now, as the antidepressants weren't helping on their own - not surprising really, considering the constant bullying, condescension and verbal attacks & abuse that I get from my husband.

Worse, one of my 4 yr old twins now gets it as well. 4 yrs old, and he's being frankly bullied and emotionally abused by his father. WTF.

Just don't know what to do. But glad to have found this thread.

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 01/07/2011 14:45

Welcome BN138.

What to do? Read. Reflect. Get in touch with your own mind and your own gut instincts. Come to whatever decision you feel is right.

Take your time, and make sure to ask for any and all help you think you need, whether it is from friends, family, social workers, psychologists, GPs, the police, legal advisors, or MNers. You are not alone.

((BN))

MadameOvary · 01/07/2011 17:36

Welcome BN138
Come in, make yourself comfortable. hope you find a breathing space here.

I've had an interesting day - since my blip a few days ago I have moved much further forward into acceptance that he is abusive, to the extent that I can anticipate his responses.
He did nothing that suprised me today, but oh he was a twat. I was playing a song for DD in the car on my iphone that I said I liked and he moaned about how irritating it was and asked me to turn it off.

DD loves it too. What a pig Angry He was getting his own back for the times I told him his music was a little hard to listen to and grated a bit (it is too, loads of dour songs by whiny singers) He said he wasn't allowed to listen to music in his own car. "Of course you can" I said, in a "Dont be stupid" voice

DD asked if she could listen to it quietly - she is 3 FFS, and still he was unmoved. Angry Sad I said "Oh she's so considerate" "Not like her mother" he snapped.
I looked at him like he had two heads and said "What do you mean?" and then "I have no idea what you are talking about"

He didn't respond. He didn't even have his bloody ipod in the car.
So there you have it, a classic example of the abusive man taking revenge for an earlier slight (me saying - politely - that I wasn't keen on his music) which had happened AT LEAST A YEAR AGO.

I did feel good about my response though. Because I was feeling stronger, I wanted to be treated properly, hence looking at him like he was mad.

To give you an idea It made me want to go voluntarily deaf.

iampos · 01/07/2011 18:51

Madame Ovary, Thank you for making me smile DS has just gone to x for weekend which I always find difficult, only been a couple of months now, but listening to the kind of 'godawful guf' made me actually smile when I felt like a good/not so good cry

Thanks to everyone who posts here, reading all this stuff on this site makes me feel that I am not alone. I have been compiling a couple of pages of your wisdom, just so I never forget that I have many rights, I hope nobody minds, just the words nothing else, I keep it on my pc to look at when I doubt myself.

MadameOvary · 01/07/2011 19:11

iampos glad that comment made you smile, and that you are getting some comfort from the posts here. Feel free to vent or tell your story if you wish.
Can you crack open some wine or chocolate and make some time for yourself?

iampos · 01/07/2011 19:39

Smile haven't had much of an appetite over the past few months, dropped a couple of dress sizes, not really complaining, it is one good side effect of it all, but not many of my clothes fit me any more even my knickers are a bit on the loose side! just can't seem to summon up any enthusiasm for any food, even chocolate or wine but I just made Brew and had a ciggie, unfortunately didn't lose my appetite for them!

seriouslynow · 01/07/2011 19:51

hi to the new girls.

MO I just clicked on that link but haven't got any headphones or speakers plugged...still it made me laugh!

DD's just failed her year....no big problem in fact though very disappointing for her and me.

H, on the subject, after grumbling moaning, calling her stupid (she wasn't home but had she been he would still have said the same thing because, of course everything is about how HE feels)...he says...."Oh well she can marry a rich man instead of having a career I suppose...women always have that option"

The implication here, as we wise women now know, that I am a woman who's married a rich man and I have a life of luxury. Ha! The truth is, he has two cars, a motorbike, a small motor boat, a windsurfing board, he buys what he wants when he wants, - Hugo Boss shirts (in the sales - he likes to think he's getting a bargain).

I work 4/5 days a week, do EVERY single dentist/doctor/school/sports appointment or meeting for the kids - always have. I do all the shopping, all the laundry, most of the cooking. I pay for all the servicing/insurance on my car. I pay the phone, the internet, the kids' pocket money.

2 years ago, I would have seriously wondered if maybe yes I was sponging off him. Now I KNOW he's actually sponging off me.

MadameOvary · 01/07/2011 19:52

Oh yes, the weight loss! I remember that, at my thinnest I was size 8, but too thin really, my face looked gaunt. Maybe time to shop for new clothes? Lots of sales on right now!

iampos · 01/07/2011 20:03

Yeah the weight loss, have bought a couple of things, courtesy of introductory offer from catalogue, but I won't be throwing away any of the bigger stuff cos I guess it'll all go back on again.

Hi, seriouslynow thanks for the welcome, sorry to hear about your DD, hope it all gets sorted out and she can grow up to be her OWN woman, nobody needs to believe that all they are worth is being owned by somebody else.

bejeezus · 01/07/2011 21:24

MO - wow!! jeeeez....making you listen to music like that is abuse in itself Grin. should we add it to the list of red flags do you think?

DD loves it too. What a pig He was getting his own back for the times I told him his music was a little hard to listen to and grated a bit (it is too, loads of dour songs by whiny singers) He said he wasn't allowed to listen to music in his own car. "Of course you can" I said, in a "Dont be stupid" voice

THAT is EXACTLY the kind of response I got/get from stbxh EVERYTIME I disagreed with his POV (which was everytime he said anything just about- because he is a LOOOOOOOooooN)

Humph!! I got weight gain not loss

Mouseface · 01/07/2011 21:33

Day from hell, emotional rollercoaster and I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO over tiredm hormental, fucked off and ratty, I think that I'm best in bed! Grin

Night all, be safe and be strong xx

bejeezus · 01/07/2011 21:46

do you want to tell us about it?

BreakFree · 01/07/2011 22:59

Just wanted to say I'm still here too. Just feeling crap lately. Walking about acting as if nothing is wrong to the outside world and as if everything is fine and dandy. Its not. It just feels all wrong to me. I don't feel comfortable with him anymore even if I try to pretend. Don't even know why I'm pretending. I don't know what I'm doing anymore actually.

MadameOvary · 02/07/2011 00:25

bejeezus Grin

Mouse - I hope you are sleeping peacefully (and coolly!) now.

Hi Breakfree, I know exactly what you mean, I think if this goes in stages then I have maybe just passed that stage (?) I have acknowledged that he is abusive and am behaving like he is the one in the wrong when he tries any crap.
I have become very sure of the reality that I want to inhabit, which is the one in which I am treated with decency, respect, affection, and any attempt at abusive behaviour is met with utter bewilderment, as if this behaviour is completely alien to me, a bit weird, and quite funny in it's petty childishness.

He is losing his power over me, and I am getting stronger. So it feels anyway right now! Cross fingers.

Breakfree, do you think this uncomfortable feeling is your reality shifting?

Please note, I have just watched Inception so am seeing all sorts of parallells!

I understand that this is a confusing time for you, but please pay as much attention as you can to the supports that are there. Read Lundy Bancroft, post on this thread, check out the "You are not crazy" website - they will all help in this uncertain time

Anniegetyourgun · 02/07/2011 09:45

A suggestion of what may be causing your discomfort: cognitive dissonance. The difference between what you've been trying to believe about your husband and your marriage for years and what you now perceive. The adjustment period is painful, but a rational, sane person will eventually get over it and adapt their reality to, well, real reality. A loon, such as XH, will instead adapt what they see and hear to fit what they already believed, and end up further from the real world than ever before. And that's where true madness lies.

MadameOvary · 02/07/2011 09:55

Annie - that's pretty much what I was trying to say, but you put it SO much better. Helps me too. Thank you.

barbiegrows · 02/07/2011 09:58

Hi everyone - I've not been on here much because I've had a lot of real life to sort out. Sorry I haven't been there for anyone else. LOLs about Gilbert O'Sullivan Madame O - poor you!

Dd's going to secondary school in September and there have been meetings and loads of leaving parties, summer fairs, school plays and stuff to get involved in. It's also my last year of being at primary in a sense, and the end of an era.

In addition, oh has just been made redundant - has more options, it's not immediate, will get good payoff if he chooses. This has meant that I have to really push myself to disengage from his life choices. I have offered advice and support far too much already. He's head in the sand as usual, coming up with vague ideas but not really acting on anything. Truth is, he hates change. His job is very dull, not creative, he's not very assertive (except at home). It's been a steady job for him and suddenly it's all change.

And it's all change for all of us. kids at new schools (older one possibly changing too), him redundant, me going into a new career, full time work. So all of a sudden this happens and it's tempting to think that a split would be too much change.

BUT in fact this might be the perfect opportunity for us to split. If he is unemployed in September he could fester, although he has a strong work ethic, I don't know how this will affect him - it will be the biggest change in his life (me & kids have not changed his life one bit although he wouldn't admit that). Then he may be at home more than me and the family dynamic changes - confusion all round. He's already working part time from home and I must say I find that OK, but the week seems much shorter - in that I don't get the break from him that I need. I think that's what makes me feel ready to split - that I prefer to spend time without him than with him. The heart palpitations when I lie in bed hoping I'm not going to have to reject him again, the brief interest from me when he gets home met by backs turned and ignoring. The constant wangling to try and get a weekend away without him. The only thing I would miss is the casual conversation - chats about this and that- what we've heard in the news - what happened to me that day. In order to get round that I would have to make sure I'm at least working in a social atmosphere. It's all possible. Starting to feel better.

If he takes redundancy I think he will want to do a tour around the states. It's what he's always wanted to do. This sounds a bit controlling but I would have to set this up a bit to make sure he can let me go, emotionally. If he's got a lifetime trip to do, he may just do that because he will focus on something else. Oh I dunno. Whatever happens we have to split. Timing may not be important, but I think it can be made easier when there are other changes going on.

There's so much going on, but there always will be tbh, there will probably never be a right time. I've been thinking about the day that I decided to leave him. I think I have already left him emotionally, I think the decision was made the moment after he promised to go to the counsellor with me but dropped out at the last minute. I saw the counsellor alone and everything fell into place. He's never done anything for me. Never. He will say that he's done this, that and the other for me, but it's really just because it gives him something to do. He has never supported me emotionally in any way shape or form. He has only ever dragged me down emotionally. I'm a tough old boot and can survive on very little emotional 'food'. That's the only reason I survived this long.

I don't expect him to be Mr Loveydovey, just want him to do the decent thing. You can almost see him withholding affection because he's terrified it might change me, turn me into someone he can't cope with.

It's got to stop. I know that and I honestly believe, once I've got my head round a few technical details like roofs over heads, what to do with all the CRAP in the house, once my college deadlines are over, I will have that conversation. It will set him free to go his sad and lonely way, and me to go and look after myself and my real family, properly. His family are not remotely interested in us, even the DCs. By some miracle he might 'see the light' - but it will be too late. The damage is done and this relationship is now poisoned and dead.

Anniegetyourgun · 02/07/2011 10:06

You expressed it perfectly well, that's why it reminded me of that link. I wish I'd read about it 20 years ago, to be honest. It's such a massive relief these days to remember some incident and think "he was way out of order, and I should not have forgiven it", instead of telling myself the poor soul couldn't help it and think about all the times he's nice etc. I feel reality slotting into place with a big heavy thunk and know I'm finally allowing myself to see things as they were, the rose-tinted spectacles well and truly trampled underfoot. He, of course, would have it that I reinvented our life together in order to justify "what you were going to do" (ie run off with a younger man). But since I didn't actually do that thing, and now I'm out of the madness don't even imagine I want to, there's some evidence that I don't have a stake in reinventing anything. He really was a pain in the butt.

MadameOvary · 02/07/2011 10:12

barbie - wow!
You've reached that stage where you know there can be no happy future, no progression as a couple, no emotional fulfillment, and there's no going back.
No-one who is not in an EA relationship can understand the intricacy of all the steps needed to realise, detach, and leave.
Rooting for you Smile

cathkidstonbag · 02/07/2011 10:23

Barbie - think you are a few steps in front of me, but can feel myself heading to where you are. ATM my head is full of school stuff too and dealing with yet another huge change seems too much if you see what I mean?
DH happy today as we DTD last night for the first time in a very long time that wasn't one of his middle of the night jobs. I thought maybe if I made the initiative it might not be so bad and help us reconnect a bit. Bloody hell it was awful, not for him obviously. I don't think I can do that anymore :( Still he's all jolly and that makes life easier. Don't feel quite so down as last weekend although maybe because I just feel numb? Lost yet more weight this week. Can't believe for years I struggled with being a bit curvy, caught sight of myself in the mirror today and realised how awful I look. Have started drinking too which I haven't ever done (alcoholic parents!), slippery slope I'm thinking as it makes everything more bearable.

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