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Support for those in emotionally abusive relationships 2

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bigbuttons · 28/06/2011 06:45

try againHmm

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HerHissyness · 05/07/2011 17:35

Saw your post on your thread and another today. this guy is cheating on you too notsorted?

Can you take time out and read through some of the posts on this thread, it might give you some general insight to what you are dealing with.

In short, no point in mediation, your instinct is bang on, he'd use it to manipulate you into agreeing with him, and possibly the counsellors into siding with him.

No matter what you do, think, say or otherwise, it won't matter a jot, he won't change. You want to deal with a normal rational soul, then look elsewhere, HE ain't it.

Go to CAB, Speak to WA and get some abuse specific advice. The best thing for all concerned is to NOT have any contact. Your DS needs time to heal too. Your X will use your DS as a way to abuse you, and in time will use his manipulation and abuse techniques on DS. That what you want? I'm willing to bet NOT!

IF in the future you feel contact needs to take place, insist on a contact centre.

Basically, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do, and he is going to have to learn that this is it. TELL EVERYONE about his abuse of you, get as much support as you can from all the right places,

BTW, you don't love HIM, you love who you thought he was. No-one could love a monster like the one you are describing. That is who he really is! Take off your tinted glasses and see him for what he is, a vile, manipulative, nasty, impotent little abuser.

Mouseface · 05/07/2011 17:41

"I feel as though the abuse is continuing as we have to have some sort of relationship because of DS
Any advice?"

Hello notsorted. I agree with what Hissy has suggested. Also, have a read through THIS

Keep going forward.

HerHissyness · 05/07/2011 17:43

Tmoo: take your sister up on her offer, get stuff moved when H is not about , get the bulk of it gone before you tell him.

Make sure you don't get yourself into a situation where he starts to negotiate with you. Tell him once you are practically moved in. It'll keep your resolve stronger!

Today in group, the leader asked us a question. I'm stumped tbh.

What are WE giving ourselves permission to do?

All these years, we have ASKED permission for everything. They on the other hand INFORM us (mostly) what they are doing and we have to lump it.

SO, as part of the stealth defiance movement, instead of saying Is it OK if I .... The language needs to subtly change to, I'm doing X on wednesday, (or thinking of doing if you really want to go deep subtle Grin) Small challenges, every day, see what you can get away with. Bombard, bombard, bombard. Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle Grin

barbiegrows · 05/07/2011 18:12

DP has been a PIG about me doing my college work. He has not supported me one bit. He has shown no interest. He has not asked to have a look (it's a subject he's interested in). He has been FURIOUSLY 'decluttering'* the cupboard right next to the desk where I work. I have said nothing. I finished my work!

*taking everything out, leaving half of it in the hall and then putting the other half back in.

Not long ago I would have moaned, fretted and stressed about his obstructive behaviour (endless interruptions, zero support with house home and kids). The less I say the more he turns in on himself.

Mouseface · 05/07/2011 18:13

Sad Hissy - I still do that now with DH and he says why do I need to ask him?

That has made me really sad to think that I've not stopped doing it. He's nothing like my XP, in any way, shape or form. Well, he is a man but that's where it ends.

Why do we still do it?

Right, thanks Hissy - from now on, I'm going to try harder to think before I speak, to think about my body language and how I say things to him.

I'm often 'closed' when I 'ask' him something.

Not any more. Smile

Oh and it's no fault of his I should add.

notsorted · 05/07/2011 18:24

tks herhissyness. Have read lots of your posts. How come you are so strong now?
And here's a weird one that I am grappling with ... vindictive side of me that is strong in bad way and wants revenge wants ow to see what a shit he is. Unrealistic? I did contact her and described a few of the skeletons in the cupboard. Did get one reply saying if I carried on he was feeling so depressed DS wouldn't have a father. Grr why should I feel I should shoulder burden of his depression? I want to shout from rooftops, but to relevant people, ie those who still have time for him that this is what happened. And it's making me frustrated, angry, hopeless etc
What to do?

Misspixietrix · 05/07/2011 20:14

Right hope no-one minds me having a little rant but I need to put this in writing so to say-here's an example of stbx's behaviour....he moaned at the weekend how I hadn't bought enough shopping, I ignored him, next day was looking for paper for dd to draw on & found he had wrote 'everything' (read only half!) down that I'd bought to the last tin of beans so he had proof for the relevant authorities!! Yes darling I can see how you're making a most valiant effort to change you 1st class t**r!

Misspixietrix · 05/07/2011 20:22

Sorry I forgot to add that I managed to sort things with my friend, I called them in the end as it was eating me, was very apologetic and offered help when & where it was needed. I was watching dc's play in the garden earlier, I owe this to them & to myself, they need a happy mummy & they're not getting the happiest when I'm being worn down left, right & centre. Still keep asking him to move out telling him it's over but still nothing, it's his birthday this week & he's only getting a pres from dc's x

HerHissyness · 05/07/2011 20:27

notsorted: oh don't you worry about OW. She'll find that out for herself soon enough.

Don't engage, don't contact, don't negotiate. No point.

All this time we have lived in a bubble, where 'What people think' is ALL important. To them, the abuser, and obviously to us, all that covering up, spinning of tales to deflect attention away from the silent horror of our day to day.

So here I am, 43. Single. Mum to a child in reception. The only single parent I know around here for MILES, and miles. I hate X. I loathe him. I distrust ALL men, and have little time nor respect for most of them tbh. Oh I'm sure there are lovely men out there somewhere, but I don't know that many that don't get on my tits in some way shape or form.

All these years, 40-odd of them worrying about what other people thought.

Now I don't care. They can think what the hell they like. Anyone got a problem with my decisions? Great! Walk a half dozen yards in my shoes honey and THEN come talk to me. All these concerned family members around me, 'cheering me on' Hmm yeah, I remember how you all ignored me when I needed a hand holding. So why would I worry about what you all think now? Hmm?

I'm not strong, I'm not brave. I struggle and fail to get out of the front door quite frequently. I really dislike phone calls some days. I can still rarely meet a male gaze. I know that most of my life and interaction with other people is over the broadband connection. This is not a life either. It's a better one than I had, but I'm the one limiting it now.

I didn't DO anything, for years I didn't rise up and chuck him out. He said he wanted to go 'home' I said Good idea. He thought I'd beg him to stay. I didn't.

I wept the same tears of defeat, I slapped my own forehead in total disbelief at my utter idiocy. For a while I knew I had been the biggest bloody idiot in the whole world. Catastrophically idiotic. I'd moved past the sheer disgust at my choice of a father for the most dear sweet boy in the whole world, I still regret that, but it was his choice to fail. I carried him for 5 years, made excuses for him for double that.

What comes across perhaps here as strength, may not be that at all. I have a very low bullshit threshold now, I don't tolerate bollocks in any way shape or form. For years (I now know) I was fed lie after lie, justification after justification for why my life was shit and staying like it. When you see the person you worshipped at one point, tell your BFF husband that you have been in a mental institute for 5 years, in the hope that H of BFF will instruct her to dump you, to take the only friend you had in 3 whole years away from you. Let me tell you, when you realise what these creatures wouldn't do to destroy your life, you find a rage, a power an indignance, yes, that's it, an INDIGNANCE that carries you though over and above all the BS, all the boloney being shoved your way in the attempt to manipulate your life into a darker and more unhappy place. How FUCKING dare he?

I hung onto the Mental institute line. It was MY rubber ring, my life preserver, in all senses of the words. It was the unassailable truth, the marker as to what depth that 'man' would sink to see me unhappy.

I told him once "To make me look bad, you have to lie. To make you look bad, All I have to do is tell the truth" I carried that truth around with me for days too. It helped.

That dear readers, was MY touching bottom. That was MY last straw. All the oppression of the last 10 years has gone. My life may be restricted, but it's ME that is doing it. With careful arse booting here and there, I can dare myself to do stuff. I'll get there.

My future may be uncertain. My future under his control would be certain, it would be hopeless, dark, sad, insignificant and an utter waste of a life. MINE. I may not have much, but I at least have HOPE!

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 05/07/2011 20:31

What are WE giving ourselves permission to do?

I am giving myself permission to do small petty things that stbxh would not allow: eat meat. have a dog. eat leftovers for lunch rather than dinner (yes, he would get dictatorial about that too Hmm ).

I am still not giving myself permission to fail. Or permission to shine. Or permission to approach others with confidence that I am a likable person -- instead I still do the human equivalent of the "please love me!" belly crawl I see my puppy do whenever she meets a new dog.

Still a lot of work to be done.

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 05/07/2011 20:37

Hissy, I heart you and that post you just wrote.

notsorted · 05/07/2011 20:40

What are WE giving ourselves permission to do?
I'm giving myself permission to rant and rage at present, to want to tear down his little playhouse of saying I'm to blame. I'm thinking about boundaries a lot. I never put any up because I kept thinking if I placated enough it would all work out. My boundary today is to say I won't sit in mediation with a liar. Guess that means no mediation re contact with his DS at all? But don't DS buying into the bullshit as it will hurt him ultimately.
Then again can't beat the pollyanna who says there is a reasonable way out of this down, or the one who starts feeling guilty about situation. Grrr

notsorted · 05/07/2011 20:42

And Hissy be strong - though why I say that when I'm a weakling. But you know x

MadameOvary · 05/07/2011 20:43

Hissy you know what? You gave up the dream. That takes guts, because the world after you give up the dream is scary, cold, and bitter. You have to find yourself again, find the pleasure in true freedom. And part of that involves being a part of this group, and helping others with your wise, feisty, enlightened words.

You're an inspiration, whether you like it or not Grin

nevergonnahappen · 05/07/2011 20:46

god i love you hissy

nevergonnahappen · 05/07/2011 20:46

god i love you hissy

Mouseface · 05/07/2011 20:49

never - I thought you loved ME!!??

I'm signing off for the night but echo what Hissy has posted.

I heart you too Hissy, always have, always will.

Night all, be safe and be strong xx

MadameOvary · 05/07/2011 20:50

ItsMe - so yours was a food fascist too? X is veggie and made me feel like shit when I said I wanted to start eating meat again. I am not allowed to eat it in front of him - even in my own house. Obv I COULD, but he would do something twatty like smoke in my living room.
Anyway, I stuff myself with meat and fish on a regular basis and went into a butchers recently to place an order. Grin

MadameOvary · 05/07/2011 20:51

Night Mouse Smile

nevergonnahappen · 05/07/2011 20:52

you know u the only one i poke!!

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 05/07/2011 20:58

MadameOvary oh, the joy I feel as I set a juicy steak to sizzle in the frying pan... Grin

Yep, food fascist all the way. Veggie too; same deal.

nevergonnahappen · 05/07/2011 21:05

i can eat bacon x

notsorted · 05/07/2011 21:15

Mine had health reasons for not eating certain things - made takeaways, ready meals impossible. Like a fool, I slaughtered the low GI fatted calf on a regular basis and he couldn't afford to do the shopping. And then he used to claim he did half or more of the cooking. I've just eaten a large packet of crisps - bliss.

Night all

Misspixietrix · 05/07/2011 21:24

"To make me look bad you have to tell a lie, to make you look bad all I have to do is tell the truth" this I think we can all certainly relate too, I heart you too Hissy so well said. Night everyone, off to bed myself now. Hope everyone has a good night x

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 05/07/2011 21:41

'Night.

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