Dec 08 Ladies welcome to the new Bean, next stop, Summer.

[Veggiemummy]

Sorry very boring had to think quickly, not my best feature

Ooh, want to look at all these baby pics but it's a bit hard on me Blackberry so will have to wait. Have scan in 4wks, so really looking forward to seeing little DD2's face! She's a very kicky baby.

EFFIE! Your piccies are gorgeous! Not funny looking in any way at all! Mad woman!

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Pics on here as well please - I'm not on FB and I want to join in the fun
JB your area of work sounds really interesting. Did you watch any of the Sex Ed show the other week? One of the episodes focused on people with LD and how/if they have sex. Twas interesting.

rubes big congratulations to you and Mr Rubes. Hope B is enjoying having a little sister!
spot/effie I will aim to be in the grassy bit outside Southwark Cathedral at 11.15am. Does that work? Spot I should still have your number (unless it's changed....). Hello to everyone else.

Yo - have put them on here, as requested, Trace!

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ah thanks Beans Much appreciated! They are very gorgeous indeed. Is Pru smiling already or was that a crafty windy photo? I love Whizzer's tights in the car seat picture

Pingu and Spot: I have Spot's number as well. Am getting into LS at about 10:30 so shd be able to get there for 11ish.

Pingu and Effie, that works for me, I have both your numbers so really looking forward to seeing you then! What's the weather like in London at the mo?

Come on to have a moan, sorry. My ribs hurt and I feel fat and uncomfy. I know it's all going to get worse over the next few weeks and I feel grumpy. I also feel guilty, as pregnant ladies get loads of attention but old people have lots of debilitating aches and pains and no one takes any notice. My hormones are so soupy that every time I see a old gimmer in the street, struggling or alone, I could weep on the spot. Other thing is that spending time with Mum is precious and brill, but yet I have this cloud over me at the moment, which is partly hormonal (hormental!), partly to do with worries about cash flow and the ever present one about career stuff. But everything seems worse at night, anyway, and I do need to count my many blessings. Sorry for the indulgent stream of consciousness! Enjoy your meet up tomorrow, lovelies. Is there a swirl of hormones in pregnancy or am I making excuses for myself?

Hello I have tried to scan over but haven't got a chance in heck of catching up! All good here just BUSY with loads of family / friends aroud!
Its nice, but I'm constantly shattered! Mil has been a God send and I asked her to stay on tonight as well! She is cooking and cleaning and sorting
Ds out, but is going home tomorrow I think. DB has popped in for drinks a few times so its been hectic. DS is so far great with dd and gets quite
upset when she cries but mostly just points at her and grunts. She is so tiny I had to do an emergency dash to the shops today for "early baby" sleepsuits!
They say "up to 2.5kg" but fit her fine. She is just v v petite but has quite long limbs. Speaking funny looking bubs- she is nothing like ds and looks exactly
Like I did as a baby and nfortunately has my nose poor lass, and has my chicken legs but massive feet! she's v v sweet though! I will try
And get a photo on my profile soon but its been quite busy round here and will get more so from Fri as db and fam are here for
6 nights almost wish mil was staying! Well I must get sleep if possible! Thank God heartburn is gone but now my issue is that pain of uterous contracting
(Tho at least a good pain!) Ok must go as this is hard work on my phone. Bye 4 now.

Ouch Rubes, hope the afterpains settle down. They were def worse with DS2. Paracetemol helped a bit.

Ooh yes, they were horrid here too, but went after a few days... Fingers crossed yours do too. MAke sure you get some rest and it isn't all go go go

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Hello everyone,

rubes Glad to hear all is well with you. Your MIL sounds just wonderful. Perhaps you could lend her out to those less fortunate on a time share basis .

ladyT Pregnancy made me feel on the brink of tears much of the time, actually even now tears prick in my eyes much more easily than they did pre-DD. Re the career stuff. I was having a major wobble last night about the new job, worrying that I should have taken the opportunity of my current contract finishing to be a SAHM . If I hadn't got this job I'd be fretting about not having a job! Motherhood just makes us a bundle of worry whatever our situation.

trace I didn't see the sex ed show! It is an interesting area. I went to a seminar once talking about the various ethical issues and how safe sex messages can be more accessible to people with LD.

Enjoy your meet up ladies!

beans What gorgeous pics! You make beautiful children.

Right, last day, must put some effort it!!

Hello everyone,
Still waiting....nothing bloody happening!!!
Not been up to much, mostly just waiting around!
ladyt late pregnancy is rubbish! But I have to say it has been very up and down for me, so I doubt you will be so fed up all the time. You are definitely entitled to moaning, and work and money stresses are always something that are really stressful. I was having a stress about how unmotivated I am and how my career is not really going anywhere the other day, but then I realised that now is not REALLY the time to be stressing about it as in a week or so I will have no time or energy to worry about things like that!
jolly hoo-bloody-ray for the new job, what fab news! And no fretting, you said it was a great job, am sure you will love it.
rubes glad you are doing well, sorry about the afterpains, and try and take it a bit easy with all your visitors. Don't overdo it!!!
beans cute cute cute pics! You are a very handsome family all round.
Hope you have a good meet up, very jealous!!

Bugger, SL - will keep visualising your labour... Doubt it'll work, but worth a go!

JB - thank you for your card - kind person.

Man, fed 3 times in the night and Pru not really sleeping today either. HELL! Never mind. Swings and roundabouts etc.

xx

yeah they are really painful but at least I know it means it's all shrinking back! I've added Paracetamol to my list of drugs and it helps slightly mil is a star that's for sure, but she's on permanent full time contract to me sorry - she has to make up for my own parents!
She's off home tonight though [eek] and then Fri db and co arrive but I can assure you I'll not be waiting on them one bit!
Geez got side tracked and completely forgot to post

Oh beans I'm so sorry it is so late! Latest 'congrats on your baby' card ever. I'm getting more disorganised the older I get.

rubes Paracetomol and codine is good. The codine can bung you up a bit so you might want to have some dried fruit with it. You are a brave woman having so many visitors. Fingers crossed they help you out and entertain DS for you.

summer Have you got yourself some raspberry leaf tea? Hot curries? Some sugar?!

Talking of sugar, isn't it strange without veggie? I love her tales of life in Den Hagg. It adds some continental spice to the thread!

Jolly, I'm on the Codeine and Paracetemol already for the c/section and
They gave me some other stuff to counteract the bunging upedness but the
uterous contracting back pain seems to be getting milder so that's good.
Right my boobs are gonna explode. Going to have to express a bit I think
So have dusted off the pump today!

Hey Rubes - hope you got pumping. I got to 6.30 feed after hell day of constant feeding and zero sleeping and when not feeding screaming and found that my norks were total milk-free zone. Popped 4oz of formula into a bottle and she guzzled 2oz and promptly nodded off. I can hear the odd moan from upstairs, so is by no means deep asleep, but am hoping that she goes off before too long. This means, to my delight, that I can breastfeed all day, but don't have to express any more for 10.30 feed for DH to do - bliss! He can formula her. YAY! Feel quite free as didn't get round to expressing til 2pm today. DD2 had a grand total of 40 mins sleep today, mostly in 10 min batches. Ouch.

DD1 been lovely though. Both in bed now. I went early!

hello all, sorry to come in with bad news as a post and run but can I ask for some white light/prayers? My lovely lovely friend C (and big pal of dd's) who found out she was pg at the same time as me has lost her baby
We'd been planning to meet up with them this weekend, not sure if that's still on but I just want to give her a huge hug. Ladies who've been there, what's the best way for someone who's PG to behave with her - is it a horrid reminder of what you've lost? I really want to be there for her but not in a way that makes her even sadder.

oh, JJ, that is so sad. i am so sorry. how many weeks was she? a real reminder that these things can happen, even when we think we're over the worst of the danger.

with mc1 i thought i'd be fine and went to a (not very good) friend's child's party a few days after the mc. it was hell. quite the worst thing i could have done. i really should have stayed away from all baby/child/pregnancy related things for a while. maybe C will try to be brave, like me, i don't know. i suppose i would ask her for a lead and offer to stay away for a little while if she thinks that is appropriate. i have to say i found the worst thing was strangers who were preggers/had babies. if i actually knew someone and especially if i liked them and their baby/child, then i found it so much easier.

i'm sure she'll really appreciate talking to you, if not now, then at some point soon, but it might be tricky, i don't know. although i took great comfort from talking to good friends whether they had kids or not.

i also went on a bit of a campaign to find out more about miscarriage - i read lesley regan's book, which, while in depth and sometimes hard to stomach, i found really reassuring. but that is me - i like to know the science behind things and to arm myself with knowledge. i have to say i found the miscarriage association blub which i was handed pretty crass and not suitable for me and how i felt. your friend may, though, find them very helpful.

i also found the mc threads useful - to know so many other people had had the experience and were also suffering and grieving, but still had hope.

oh, and the best best thing i found was speaking to people who had had mcs but still had children. if you think it is appropriate, i'd be happy to talk to her by email if you want. just fb me. but i know that might be a bit weird. hope that helps.
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Hello all

quick tipsy post after consuming much cheerfullness at end of term party. I am on holiday now! Yes!

LadyT I hope you are feeling in better spirits tonight. It's hard with the hormones and the physical discomfort. And you do have some real stress as you continue to wait for news on your book while also anticipating your move. It's a lot to have on your plate. The last thing you need is tonight with the outlaws. Let us know you are surviving.

Lovely to hear you sounding so chipper Rubes. Those afterpains are a bitch. I didn't know you still got them after c sections. They feel just like contractions so I assumed they were labour related. Glad they are passing.

Jam - are you lurking? I saw on FB that Mr Jam is back in hospital. I really hope he is ok. If there is anything we can do to support you at the mo let us know.

Where's Sybs at the mo?

Right, time Tube pulling in to home station. Must go drink water. I really feel squiffy. I have no tolerance at all nowadays. Can't be hung over for my first holiday day with the girls tomorrow. I can't wait to spend a proper chunk of time with them.

Sorry for my insensitive cross post with Jj and WG. So sorry to hear of your friend JJ. Sending her lots of White light.

JJ how terribly sad. All I can say is when I miscarried I wanted to people to recognise that I had actually been pregnant got lots of oh are you feeling better now comments from well meaning friends and rellies. When all I wanted them to do was acknowledge that I had lost a baby. Or people just ignored the big white elephant in the room.

I also like WG wanted to talk about it with others and also found the miscarriage threads helpful.

I would say ask her be open and honest let her tell you what she would prefer. Sending you love and strength.

LADYT god I hate those final few wks you feel like a lumbering oaf of a person and so hormonal. Calming thoughts to you.

AVO hurrah for end of term.

Yep am lurking a bit, yes DH is back in hospital went back in yesterday they now think he has had a TIA which is a mini stroke he had MRI and a MRA today so hopefully that will give us more answers. Poor chap he was given a lumbar puncture yesterday as they were querying meningitis. But on the whole he is fine very bored and just wants to come home as all he has now is a wicked headache and stiff neck. Thankfully because they thought meningitis yesterday they put him in a private side ward so he has his own rm and bathroom.

Rubes ouch to the afterpains I thought they wer worse with DS2 than with DS1. Need some photos of the little lady and an address please.

Beans remember although your boobs feel utterly drained they are never empty and Pru may be about to begin a little growth spurt hence the constant feeding. Beautiful pics on FB your girls are utterly gorge and quite squidgable.

SL nearly there. Soon be a little bundle.

WG and Jam thanks for your thoughts, it's so sad and the worst is that she was due at almost exactly the same time as me. There but for the grace of God really I'll try to take cues from her as to how she wants to talk about it or not. Thanks ladies,.

oh and Jam - sending white light to your dh as well, hope it turns out to be nothing serious.