Oct 2007 - This little piggy had none (sleep that is!)

[alicet]

Hello ladies!

Well here is the new thread so I can link it before the old one runs out... Hope you all find it!

FT - have you tried a doidy cup - Mairwen is happily drinking out of this now - we've totally ditched the bottles!

God muppet that's terrible - what did the police say? I hope they catch the little gits.

Well my wine is rubbish so I am not drinking it. I am gutted as was looking forward to it all day. Ah well.

Hi stefka - I didn't phone the police as i didn;t see the point as I left the door open but I suppose it can't be recorded as a crime if I don't and then the statistics would be out as people like me don;t report things we should. (Did that make any sense?)

Oh I ordered a doidy cup off ebay, it was only 3.50 and had free delivery and comes with a free weaning spoon

Ah yeah they probably can't do much for you. How annoying.

We're going to DH's bosses house tonight. Kind of nervous about BF there and about Dareh being fussy. They are not really friends if you know what I mean.

I bought my doidy cup off ebay too - was just trying to find a piccie of it!

muppetgirl - I bet you're fuming! I'd still contact the police even though you left the door open though!

j20 - sorry to hear your wine wasn't good - here - have a glass on me

I've just had a fit of the screaming hab-dabs at dh - basically his dad has said that there's no point in saying anything to mil as it'll upset her feelings - I screamed at dh something along the lines of "what about my feelings ffs!" - then I cried. pil has said that he'll make sure that he "monitors" mil's behaviour when I'm around ... he'll do diddly squat as mil gets scary when she's told "no" by anybody ... so that's me not going down to see the PILs at their house then!

Ejt - I know how you feel about MIL. I hope this is the start of everyone supporting you with her.

We left the garage doors unlocked not open (as I had said) just feel a bit of a twit about it. We normally park up to the doors so they can't be opened but haven't for the past few days -don't know why.

Ejt thats really shite about your mil. I think it sounds as though your dh has done as good as he can at the moment though - his dad had said he would have a word before hadn't he? Not surprised you lost your rag at him hough - I would ahve done too. Can he talk to her himself?

Sorry - can't remember what everyone else said but will do my best!

Just that rebecca's sleep is improving Choc - nice one! . And Alex's isn't Floria but like you say it is just a phase and it DOES get better. Good on you for being so pragmatic.

We tried a doidy cup with Sam but he wasn't that bothered. I think this was as much to do with me not persisting as anything else. Will try again with Adam at some point.

J2O big hugs honey after your shite day.

Winnie sorry you can't come to Ledbury but have fun at your Birmingham meets

Hello everyone else!!!

Life going well for us - so something will be bound to happen to stir that up soon . Adam has slept from 11 till nearly 6 a couple of times. And he was a little diamond having his jabs. Screamed when the needles went in (fair enough I think) then smiled at the nurse and went to sleep! And Sam was totally gorgeous tonight when I put him to bed - really cuddly and lovely. Read him this fab book - Hug - he loves it and its great as the story is mostly in pictures so you can put your own spin on it. Anyway off to bed now. I am doing the whole night tonight as I am out tomorrow so dh will do that. Looking forward to a night out with the girls actually even though I have realised I might not know that many people (it's the 40th birthday of a friend from my NCT class). See you soon and hope you all have lovely weekends xxxx

EJT;So sorry that the fil is spineless..what a life must he lead tiptoeing round a woman like that?...and its not fair to you..(((hugs))). Thanks for the suggestion about a Doidy I just got one on Tuesday (from the health centre; £3.50)but I've not used it yet...I'll try it tomorrow and if it works for me then Dh and Mum can try...though truth be told I can't see Dh having the patience to hold it steady, he's more likely to pour half of it down the los front!...I hope I'm proved wrong

Muppet; how dreadful...doesnt matter whether the doors were locked or not..I hope they catch the little bar-stewards.Nice that you had some one to one with H...those laughs are so very precious arent they?

alice - I would love dh to talk to MIL himself, but he just can't ... as he remembers all too well what happened last time he tried to talk to her when ds was very small - PILs didn't talk to us for almost 3 months - which dh found really difficult - and then they only started talking to us again because dh apologised for telling them that what they were doing wasn't on ... I am resigned to the fact that MIL is never going to be told - until the day I have had enough and tell her in no uncertain terms to f**k off - I have warned dh that that's what will end up happening, an I'm getting close to that point now ...

Right, off to bed - I have a banging headache from crying so much earlier.

FT - it's quite messy to start with, but persist ... also try the tommee tippee flip top spout beakers: they're much less messy!

Thanks for the support with the pil thing!

EJT; Hope the headache goes soon...the mil sounds very like my grandmother who used to have everyone dancing to her tune, all her kids were terrified of "upsetting" her apart from my Mum who stood up to her when she was expecting me...my grandmother refused to see her so didnt get to see me until I was 10 months old by which time I hated strangers and screamed blue murder when she came near..she spent the rest of her life trying to in me round!...her loss.I'm off to bed now myself..got to try to get some sleep before the "feed me" onslaught.

Hello everyone!
Choc ? reckon you should def continue with your mumsnet meeting plans ? much more exciting than the inlaws!!
Floria ? sorry that alex is being a nightmare with sleeping
Stefka ? agree about feeling low if you don?t go out
Winnie ? we have that problem with dirty nappies too!
J20 ? Grrr at your pants day
Muppet ? how annoying about the presents
Ejt ? sorry that the PILs are being as useless and unthinking as ever. I feel v sorry for you and your dh
Alicet ? hope you have fun tomorrow night ? I have a girls night coming up and am getting excited about that too!

Perhaps we will join the doidy cup club ? DS sits up v well, and loves being a ?big boy? so he may like a cup to try! Friend from work came round today and filled me in on the gossip ? have now got them to schedule a meeting to discuss our portfolios for when I go back, but suspect people are not gonna be happy with me interfering in things. Mum is staying for the weekend, so we are off out tomorrow night as she is here to babysit?

Hope you all have a great weekend

York Meet up Girls - This one next to the station has been recommended from someone on another forum I frequent, I think one of you mentioned it aswell was it you alicet? here

I am also waiting on some other suggestions, someone is asking their friend who lives in York for some ideas

8Birmingham* meet up what time and where on Thursday?

moan alert

Ihave just shouted at Lauren.

Her granparent paid for swimming lessons for her Christmas. They collect 9am to take her. I asked her to ger dressed about 8.30 and she came downstairs with a thin summer skirt ans sleeveless top. I said it is too cold for that outfit today and she should wear trousers. Her reply was that she vould only find jeans and grandma does not like her wearing jeans. My response to that was "If your gransmother is going to choose what you wear, you can go and live with her"

She then found some other trousers to wear.

DP has asked if I meant it. It is just that she is getting to be so cheeky that it gets me down. When I send her to the naughty stair she does not go and I end up dragging her there, during which time she usually kicks me ansd spends longer sitting there. Yet when her daddy tells her to go to the naughty stair she goes straight away.

Sorry about the rant.

EJT for you. your FIL sounds spoineless.

Sorry can't remember what everyone else has said. I hope you all have a good weekend.

Oh sorry muppet - forgot to mention you yesterday. Sorry to hear about you being burgled - thats shite. Hope they catch the little shits!

Winnie hugs honey. There are times its bit like this with Sam and his dad although he is too little to be very much like this yet. This week though its an 'I love mummy' week... Hope you get it sorted...

Ejt - would it be so terrible to tell mil to f*ck off? That way at least hopefully they wouldn't ostracise your dh. Although I feel for you as it sounds as though he's caught in the middle when you feel he should be with you. I would feel the same but it must be hard to have to front up to your parents. And then at least she would know how you feel once and for all. can see it wouldn't be an encounter you'd look forward to though especially if you're a bit fragile at the mo...

MrsFish don't think thats the hotel i was thinking of - it's literally right next to the station and form the map on that link that one doesn't look to be. Doesn't look far though so def an option? The one I was thinking of dh said is a bit shite. He suggested the pitcher and piano? Have mailed you all anyway....

Strawberry enjoy your night out tonight too!

Missbumpy sorry forgot to reply to your hugabub ebay dilemma... Still need my dvd I'm afraid (only watched far enough for one position plus will need it when I sell it too) but if I was you I would mail the winning bidder and tell her what has happened and offer her the hugabub at a discounted rate to take account of this or for a refund if she would rather leave it. You can do something where both buyer and seller mutually agree not to complete the transaction and I think then you don't have to pay the end value fees. Can't remember exactly how this works but have done it once before and think its fairly easy to find on ebay. If you are honest and reasonable about it I think she would be very unfair to kick off - shit happens!

Anyway off to sit and chill for a bit while both boys are sleeping....

hello all...

quik question... how many are there now for the london meet up and my place?

If its easier for you to reply to me on email then thats cool. I'm on [email protected]

I'll then let you all have the address/directions etc

Muppet - thats terrible abt the pressies.
EJT - why do IL have to be such hard work
Winnie - kids always play up to the parent they see all the time, and are annoyingly obedient to ones they don;t spend all day with. Can't be easy for you.

My dh is now on holiday from work for 2 whole weeks.. i have lots planned for him !! Firstly, today he needs to clear out his crap from our small bedroom.. it looks like his old bachelor pad in there.. you literally can;t walk through the door.

We have our monthly 'date night' tonight, soleaving ds with MIL for a few hours while we go out to the cinema... can't wait to dig into a big bag of salty popcorn and malteesers!

missbumpy- forgot to say, I had an idea about your hugabub situation, I, like alice still need my dvd but my fil can make a copy of it for you to send with yours if thats any help? if you're not sure then don't worry but if you want a copy let me know and i'll get on to it asap .
By the way, those of you who are bf, how many weeks old are your lo's and how many feeds a day are they on? also, any of them sleeping through? just curious cause on the advice of my bf counsellor i'm doing more bf's and not topping up with f after each one, still giving 2 ff a day but trying to increase my supply so that hopefully will be able to drop the ff's eventually.
Oh, that reminds me, those who bf, do you need a feeding pillow to do so (i do unless i'm lying down) and if so, how do you manage to feed in public (i haven't managed to feed in public yet ), i'm thinking i'll have to do it in public if i'm gonna bf full time, also don't seem to be able to do it without exposing my whole top half, any ideas/advice welcome.
off to eat dinner be back soon, hi to everyone, sorry haven't really spoke to anyone in person, be back once i've read all the posts
by the way excuse the no capitals, one handed typing!

Dal,

Shula is now 15 weeks and exclusively breastfed. I feed her on demand so lose track of how many times she is on there.

Here is a rough esrimate though sometimes it may be a bit more:
She feeds as soons as she wakes in the morning, then again after the school run. I try not to feed her then until lunch but sometimes she is very hungry. She will feed again before I go to get DD1 from school at 3pm, then again about 6pm. After that it is usually about 9pm before going to bed and she sleeps right throught until 7-8am.

I find feeding in public easy. I wear loose fitting tops, unhook my bra and pull down the cup discreetly. Once Shula is latched on I pull my top over my breast and it looks like she is just having a very close cuddle. You could also use a shawl or drape a muslin over you.

do you wear like a vest or something underneath so you don't expose your belly or do you find the lo covers that? It's good to hear yours sleeps through cause my bf counsellor had me worried when she said it was 'unusual' for mine to be sleeping 8 hrs at his age, someone on another thread also suggested i'd have problems maintaining my milk supply if i didn't feed him during the night but you clearly manage , the way i see it, if he's hungry in the night he'll wake and demand one, otherwise he must not be hungry! Of course at the moment he still has 2 ff a day so the sleeping might change once i have dropped those. Thanks for the advice winnie

Hi all

Dal, I bf exclusively too and Rebecca is 10 weeks... she feeds on demand but it's usually 7 times in 24 hours and I am afraid she doesnt sleep through the night, though it isnt hunger that wakes her.

I think what Tiktok meant on the other thread was that for you to build up a supply sufficient to bf exclusively, you probably will need to bf during the night (different for Winnie whose supply is sorted now and different for me too by now). I dont think it is a permanent issue!

As for feeding in public, noone looks and I have stopped caring... I do struggle without my feeding pillow a bit so I plonk lo on my coat on my knee, if you see what I mean...

Back again, hi everyone!
Mine - must be wonderful for your dh to be off for 2 weeks, it's great being able to soend time together and share the workload of the lo a bit more - enjoy!
Winnie - soory you're having probs with Lauren, hope it's just a phase and gets better soon.
Strawberry - yeah looking forward to trying our doidy cup, just saw them on ebay and fancied one! have a nice time when you go out tomorrow night .
Ejt- infortunately your mil sounds exactly like my mum in some ways, no one ever dared stand up to her and now that we all have we fallen out and haven't spoken on friendly terms since oct 2005! Sounds like she always thinks she's right and even when someone tells her she's hurt their feelings she just turns the situation round so you end up appologising to her! I fear even if your dh does speak to her it may fall on deaf ears but if he did at least you'd feel more supported, there would probably be a fall out of some kind but if she's as difficult as she sounds your best to just remember that you and dh have to stick together and not let her come between you, you can't control her but you can make sure you two are united, hope she's not as bad as my mum anyway and that it gets sorted in some way (((hugs))).
Alice - hope you have a nice time when you go out, glad the sleeping is going well and the jabs weren't too bad, Dylans jabs are on 29th, luckily dh is off work so he's gonna hold him this time .
Floria - hope the doidy cup works and it helps with lo taking the ebm so you can have a well earned break now and again, let me know how it goes! Dylan will take a bottle (is mix fed) but like the idea of using the cup, less parts to sterilise for one!
Mupppet - so sorry to hear about the little buggers who went in your garage, it's just so annoying isn't it? seems to be no justice with these things for you!
Stefka - How did you get on at dh's boss' house? the bf go ok?
J20 - sorry you had a shit day yeasterday, i would have been tearing my hair out! Hopetoday has gone better for you.
Choc - how annoyinng of pils to change their visiting date without consulting you first, so rude! Ah well I hope you do still come to the Berwick meet, be great to meet you, maybe next time they will check first!
missbumpy - been out in the car yet? trust me, it's not as bad as you think it will be
inzi- hows the dog? any better? hope so...
mrsfish - glad lo's sleep has settled down a bit
I also heard or read somewhere (can't remember where now) that babies have a bit of a growth spurt around the 3/4 month mark then calm down again, hope ds has one then i'll not be worrying about his weight so much (even though i know i shouldn't be).
Breastfeeding still going well, progress is slow but still progress... bf Dylan 5 times yesterday and he had 2 ff, one at about 11.30 and the 2nd at 5.00, then he slept through as normal, doing the same today, wonder if he'll sleep through again .
Anyway off to check out some stuff on ebay (i'm addicted). Hi to anyone I haven't mentioned, speak soon

Choc -x posted, ah so you think tiktok means that just to build my supply to feed in the night and once it is established i might be able to go without the night feeds (providing ds doesn't want them)? Only prob I have at the mo is that if ds is in a deep sleep and I try to wake him to feed him he cries horribly and gets hysterical and refuses to feed! I tried waking him to feed him at 2pm yesterday and this is what happened! I woke at 4am and had a look to see if i could wak him but he was totally flat out and i didn't want to upset him by draggin him out of bed and trying to make him feed so just left him, i know what tiktok is saying makes sense from a building supply point of view but theres also the point that if ds was hungry he would wake? I just don't want to upset ds in the process, maybe after a couple more days of the inscreased bf decreased ff he will wake in the night anyway? If he doesn't, not really sure what to do? You have any idea how long it takes to establish a supply? there's only been 5 days since he was born i haven't bf him or expressed but still i haven't bf him exclusively since he was born, last time i did that was up until he was 3 weeks old...

Dal, I'm not an expert by any means so someone will probably come ghosting along and contradict me... but here's my thoughts:

• no, dont wake him - totally pointless: if he's hungry he will wake up and honestly a good night's sleep is worth a million pounds

• try bf him first for the 2 ff and topping up with the formula so your breasts get used to giving milk at those times (if you see what I mean) and add the formula to make the feed complete, for say a couple of days..

• if you're worried about his weight, try sitting around with him for a while skin to skin and he'll probably eat more - that seems to make Rebecca hungrier anyway

• dont worry too much cos you're doing great and IMO supply meets demand after a couple of days (experts might contradict me!!!)

• make sure you eat enough too and arent too tired

Oh and I'm definitely coming to Berwick- inlaws have been told! Looking forward to it!

Dal - just a quick message
Olly is 16 weeks now, and exclusively bf. His feeding routine is something like 7am, 11am, 2.30pm, 5.30pm, 8.30pm, 12midnight (goes to sleep about 10-ish and wakes himself up for late feed). He takes both boobs each feed. i feed on demand, but this is the routine he's gotten into himself.
I don't feed in the night now (ie 3am) cos he doesn't want it, but i understand that's the time when your hormones can produce most milk, which is one reason why little babies feed in the night, and why it may help you.
In terms of bf in public - i've now managed this a few times - it's a bit more exposing for me as I have to arrange a nipple shield before he latches on, but once that's done i just pull my t-shirt down to meet his head and cover my boob. If i'm going out i make sure I'm wearing looser tops so they pull up and down easily. I don't use a feeding pillow now, but cross my legs to raise him up on my knees a bit.
Hope that helps!
Hello everyone else - back tomorrow as off out now