Oct 2007 - This little piggy had none (sleep that is!)

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Hello ladies!

Well here is the new thread so I can link it before the old one runs out... Hope you all find it!

Thanks choc and strawberry for the advice, yeah i think after a few days i'll try the bf instead of ff and then topping up with the formula, don't want to stop the ff just yet though cause i only started the new routine yesterday , really hope i can manage to bf full time, it seeemed like i'd never even get to this point at one time but feels like it might be possible now

go dal - you can do it!

Hi everyone,

Where and when is the London meet up?

Dal, thanks for the idea about the DVD but I actually found my one and posted it yesterday. Honestly, I've become so scatty since becoming a mum

As for the b/f routine. I'm still exclusively breastfeeding. DD has got herself into a 3.5 - 4hr feeding routine so it goes something like 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm then she sleeps through the night (mostly).

I know what you mean about b/f in public. I've only recently managed to do it and only when with other b/fing friends or with my DP. My only advice is to try it out with another mum first, go somewhere quite baby friendly, try to get a table which is a bit more tucked away and private, and wear 2 tops (a vest under your t-shirt or jumper so you can lift the outer layer up and pull the under layer down). You can use a muslin cloth to cover yourself a bit too. I got most of these tips on MN here actually...in fact, this thread! Go for it! It's really liberating not having to time your trips out around feeding times.

I've never really used a cushion. I probably shouldn't but I end up hunching right over to bring myself down to DD . Not a good technique at all!

I'm feeling v annoyed today. I really look forward to weekends as a time when DP is around and we can have some time together and I can get a bit of help. He's managed to spend the whole day out and I've been on my own and knackered all day. We were meant to be going to a friend's engagement party tonight with DD but DP came back too late and now I don't have time to have a shower, feed DD, get ready etc so I'm not going to go He can just be so bloody selfish. He's always putting himself first. I'm always meaning to give him a taste of his own medicine and leave him on his own to look after the baby but it never seems to happen. I'm turning into such a doormat.

Anyway, hope you're all having nice evenings.
x

Dal, just read today's posts a bit more carefully. I'm with Choc. If LO is totally fast asleep it's crazy to wake him up. He'll wake up and let you know all about it if he's hungry. I'm no expert though. Can you get your supply up another way (eg. expressing milk last thing at night for an EBM top up and again after the first feed in the morning)?

PS. My DD was 12lb when I got her weighed at 12 weeks but not sure what she is now. I've read that they're physically capable of sleeping through the night once they reach 11 lbs.

Evening all, phew just had a glass of fizz, both boys now sorted after an hour and a half crying (both of them) Sam because he fell asleep in the car and didn't like being woken up at 5.30, Ben because he wanted another feed but struggling because of the amount he has had this afternoon. He had his first feed at 7.15am - 8oz, then 10.50am - 8oz, then I went out at 2.20 this afternoon and left the boys with dh, Ben then had a feed at 2.30 - 7oz, 4.30 - 7oz and 6.15 - 7oz thats 37 ounces in 12 hours he must be having yet another growth spurt. He is now asleep in his rocker so I must go and put him in his cot. DH has just been up to see Sam as he was calling for me... he wanted permission to get out of bed to play with his Mr Potato head I have trained him well

DH was up at 5am this morning to go and pick up our new car, our play thing for the summer, which is why I went out this afternoon to take it for a spin

ooh what car did you get mrsfish?

An MX5 it is so ace, I used to have one but we sold it when I was 6 months pregnant with Sam. We sold the smart car and got another one so I can use it when Sam is in nursery

dal - I wouldn't wake him up ... as somebody else said, a good night's sleep is worth loads ... but the prolactin production is at its highest between 12 midnight and 5am - which is one reason why people are encouraged to feed during the night.

Mairwen is exclusively bf - and I'm feeding on demand, but she basically feeds 630am 10am 2pm 4.30-7pm 10pm 3am ... when I'm out, I try to use a chair with arms, so I can rest my elbow. I've tried covering Mairwen's head but she's not having any of it! What I tend to do is wear a vest like this under my top, then I pull down the front of the vest, and pull up my top, and there's no flesh exposed at all. Practrise doing it at home in front of a mirror - you'll be amazed at how litle is on show!

I'm really impressed that you're persevering!

Got to go, dh is cooking me a steak!

thanks for the advice ejt,kind of wish dylan did wake in the night...oh well will see how it goes, will have to get me some of those vests, enjoy your steak!

oh forgot to say, car sounds fab mrsfish, think my bro had one of those at some point (he changes his car as often as his underpants), anyway, bet you look a real yummy mummy in it zoom zoom zoom

DH is the same. The longest we have had a car is two years, but he generally has a different one each year

Ah well at least you get to look super cool

Dal; I would second Choc...those times he wants to feed but you dont think you have enough, so give him formula, are exactly the times you should bf and top up with ff if nessesary. Oh and dont forget to drink lots (personally I find I'm best with one glass of water before and another after feeding) Oh and as to bf in public...yes a stretchy t-shirt underneath a loose fitting top is helpful when trying to be discrete...and the feeding tops from mothercare are pretty good too, but for me a shawl or wrap ensures that absolutely nothing can be seen.

Tried Alex with the doidy today quite sucessfully...only tried half an ounce, but he took to it quite well and barely spilt any (only a drop when he tried to grab the handles himself )I express a bit more tomorrow and have another go and if all goes well I'll try coaching dh in the technique.

Dal ? I don?t use a pillow when I b/f so this made b/f in public very easy as I didn?t have to work out how to without the pillow iyswim! I have the vest type b/f tops from mothercare which have worked out to be brill as they don?t expose anything. I found v necked jumpers to be great as you can rummage around from the top and see what you are doing before lifting and putting lo on the boob. H only gets a morning and a night feed from me now so if you?re a size 10 you can have my b/f tops if you?d like, I've got about 4/5.
Try b/f sat at a chair with your leg resting on another chairs bar bit that holds the two legs together this will make you?re knee higher so you can hold your lo more easily. Or cross your legs.
Oh, and practise in front of a mirror before you go out for real in public. This lets you know exactly what others can see and gives you more confidence as you?ll see they don?t see an awful lot!

We've jsu got in after an action packed day so I'm off to bed.
Have a good 'date night' mine!

Emma
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MissB; So they can sleep through when they are over 11lb can they?... at 15lb 5oz I'll have to try to get Alex to understand that one!!! I think he must be a prolactin addict!!!
Sorry to hear that your DP isn't being as considerate as he should be....mine was carrying on almost as if nothing had changed in our lives until I had a series of meltdowns which pricked his concience and he now realises that if he is mostly working away all week and leaving me to do everything on my own, he really has to pull out the stops when he is home and abandoning me to be with his mates just isnt acceptable anymore....I hope you find a way of getting through to your dp without having to resort to tears as I did.

go on you ladies for bf in public!! unfortunately I could only bf for a few short weeks before i had to resort to exclusive formula, so i have great deal of respect for you guys.

MissB the London meet up will be at my house. Email me on [email protected] for more details.

Date night was a disaster... Left ds with the ILs at 5pm... ds was fine..... got a phone call at 7'ish whilst watching a movie at the cinema to say we should come and get him as he was crying his eyes out for no reason...... Left halfway through the film, drove back to the ILs like a maniac. Poor ds had terrible wind, he was i real pain.

Funny thing was that as soon as he saw us he started to calm down..poor MIL was worried sick, i could see the beads of sweat down her face the poor thing. I think my baby broke my MIL !!!

Oh well..... there goes my babysitter for valentines day .

Thanks for the advice floria and muppet unfortunately i'm not a size 10, more like a 14 but thanks for the offer of the tops anyway. I tried bf him straight before a ff feed today but he still took 4oz after the bs, still, sure he got a little from me and he doesn't seem hungry when i'm bf him the rest of the time... maybe he got a bit less than normal cause im not used to feeding him at that time iyswim, will carry on anyway, night all x

Hi everyone - long tme no post. On my own, so a bit more frantic than usual.

How is the bf'ing going Dal?I would agree with everyone here - and in my experience you can't beat eating and drinking well to get your milk production up - a glass of wine can really help too . I was also told with DS that fennel is a milk production stimulant, either the vegetable or the tea. Keep meaning to use it this time round but forgetting everything at the moment! Also, really try not to worry about feeding in public. If you're used to a cushion, why not take one of your LO#s blankets out with you and and fold that up to make a mini pillow? Thing to remember is that people are so wrapped up in their own world that they don't really give you a second glance! And anyway, you're doing an amazing thing so sod them!

Madeleine is on a smiliar routine to the other bf'd babies but shares Alex's love of night feeding! To be honest, my DS did this too and it does settle down Floria. This is probably my last baby so to be honest I'm clinging on to all the experiences in a way I didn't with DS as I was too blown away with it all and concerned we met milestones etc. Far more determined to enjoy this one and knowing the broken nights will soon be over is easier. She wakes up usually around 11/12, 2.30/3.30 and 6. NOt bad. and not for long. She'll be in a toddler bed soon enough!

Re the York meet up, just thought I'd mention that the Royal is the hotel right next to the station - the website makes it look like it's far away. And it is a perfect place for a child friendly meet up cause there is a massive lounge area. Used it several times myself.

Right - better get on. Does anyone else have a major sugar habit? I know it's a breastfeeding thing (my Dr told me it produces hormones which promote a heightened sugar need - hence endless cake eating with new mums!) But mine is getting out of control. I would be really interested to hear how much sweet stuff people are eating a day to see how bad or normal mine is

right - cbeebies is on for DS, Madeleine is still asleep so going to enjoy the rest of my cup of tea in peace! hope everyone has a good day - take care

A lot of posts to catch up on...

Anya has now moved into her own room to sleep - big girl . She loves it - she's much more settled - she's had a full night's sleep and is now nearly 3 hours into her first nap of the day!! We had friends round yesterday afternoon and she'd napped so well that she was an angel with them - lots of smiling and talking, despite being passed round like pass-the-parcel!

Inzi - sorry to hear about your dog - we always had dogs as kids and I know it must be worrying for you. Hope it's just an infection and he's ok.

ejt - I'd love the joggers if nobody else wants them. Next clothes are lovely and she's still a bit small for 3-6 month clothes from there. Annoying about your mil - it must be infuriating that nobody wants to rock the boat.

Muppet - rubbish news about your stuff being nicked. Little buggers. What do their parents teach them?

MrsFish - at your MX5 - I absolutely love the new hard top ones and am planning on getting one just as soon as I sort out the job situation (long story - will post another time about that).

Mine - sorry your date night didn't go well. How do lo's know exactly when to play up? DH and I are going to a dinner on Thursday so my parents are babysitting - first time we will both have left her with someone else. When we were round at my parents last week though she was overtired and just cried for 2 hours. Here's hoping that wasn't a practice run!

Nellie - I stopped breastfeeding at about 2 months but still can't seem to stop stuffing my face . Am now clinging to the flimsy excuse that I'm using more energy carrying Anya around...

About weaning - I'm leaving it until the 4 month mark but I'm going to try it then out of curiosity to see what her reaction is (probably not a good reason but never mind). She's getting very interested in adult food even though she's quite happy just drinking milk at the moment. Did mention to hv that I was planning to start at 4 months and she didn't bat an eyelid.

PS big hello to everybody else

Thanks Nellie that's good to know about the Hotel

Hey nelllie, great to hear from you! Thanks for the bf advice, was drinking fennel tea but then kind of forgot about it , have some un the cupboard so will get it out and start again. I definately have a sugar addiction, didn't realise bf did that, thought I was just greedy, at one point I ate a whole selection box of chocolate from xmas in one day then dh brought me a galaxy caramel home and I ate that too! I've calmed down a bit now but still seem to eat chocolate every day, cadburys cream eggs are my weakness at the mo, oh and I had chocolate cake for supper last night, oops!
Bf-ing went ok yesterday, managed 5 bf and 2 ff but it fell apart a bit when it came to the last feed of the night, Dylan just got really wound up when I tried to bf him, he was just screaming and refused to feed, I think he had wind as i've been trying to wean him off the infacol (mistake!) and also think he was frustrated that the milk wasn't coming out as quick/as much as he would like, also was tird as had not napped much so after about 15 mins of trying dh made him a bottle, he took 2 oz and was then happy as larry, babbling away! So he wasn't even that hungry, just had a total meltdown... hope it goes better this evening but I was happy i'd managed 5 bf anyway , he slept from 12.40am to 9.30am too!
Hi to everyone by the way, hope you're all doing ok, it's lovely and sunny here so might go for a walk

LES - have remembered that you put a list of dvd's etc on last thread, but I forgot to follow you up on it. I remember there seemed quite a lot - surely you would be copying them all day! Do you want to let me know how many you're happy to do and I'll send you the blank ones. Cheers

Anya i can do them all lol have nothing else to do...i will put list on later ok?

Hello everyone
Missbumpy ? sorry that DP is being selfish ? I don?t think they realise that it takes ages to get ready when you have a baby to sort out as well
MrsFish ? at new car
Floria ? glad doidy seemed to work for feeding
Mine ? how annoying that your LO didn?t let you have your night out
Dal ? my sister says oats and fenugreek for upping a milk supply
Nellie ? def eating more sugar than ever now ? went off chocolate completely with pregnant ? now I can easily devour a big pack of maltesers or giant buttons in one sitting

We had a lovely meal out with friends last night, while my mum babysat. DS was very well behaved (sorry for those who?ve had a nightmare!) ? took 8oz of EBM at 9pm and was fast asleep when we got home at 10.30. Our friends have a 2.5 year old ? their babysitter fell through, so he came with us ? very well behaved, but missed our DS, and get asking to look at his photo on my phone! Was weird not having Olly with us?.

Hope you are all ok