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FattyNinjaOwl · 06/12/2015 21:47

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sianihedgehog · 04/01/2016 21:48

rrra I was getting more and more frequent waking with DS for a while, too. I changed the way I was feeding him and it seems to have improved. Previously I was trying to feed from one breast until he came off of his own accord, now I swap him onto the second breast as soon as the swallowing stops or slows, even if he's still sucking. And I'm making sure to keep stroking his face to keep him awake and feeding. I think sometimes he was falling asleep when he wasn't full at all. Sometimes I'm passing him back and forth so he's on each side 2 or 3 times, and feeding for 2 hours plus, but he's swallowing and feeding actively the whole time, and seems to get more full and stay asleep longer. Might be worth changing some stuff around with the way you feed, too? Swapping sides more or less, or something?

Dozygirl · 04/01/2016 21:58

Grrrr just lost my post :(

Siani good work on the tooth! Piper is always drooling and chewing but no signs of one and doesn't appear in pain with it

Frolic not weaning as such but giving her stuff to play with as and when appropriate. Pic is off her having cucumber and pepper at the harvester yesterday. Blw experts prob don't agree with doing it now as she's not 6 months but she's not swallowing anything, just having a lick and gumming it.

Other pic is just because I thought she looked cute today in her hat. She rocks a hat really well. Much better than i can haha.

Rrra trying formula doesn't mean the end of your bf journey. You can just trial a bottle at bedtime if u want to see if it helps. Your milk will still be there. I do mixed feeding and it's worked so far.

I've not really had much of a routine with dd yet which has meant she's up late at night with us. Unintentionally tried today for one because I took her for a walk in her pram this afternoon since rain finally stopped and she slept for 2 hours(this being the only sleep she'd had all day)! Which meant she was awake at 5 for some food and some play time and ready for sleep at 8. Still took a bit of persuading but she went down eventually and we've had a bit of evening to ourselves. So will now dream feed her when I go to bed and hope she still sleeps the rest of the night haha.

Slowifeandthegrumpydwarfs · 04/01/2016 22:01

clstow are you in London? I had a total nightmare finding childcare for grumpy 1 when we were down south. Both Grandma's ended up doing random days to cover when DH went back after his pat leave. We went with a childminder in the end found through childcare.co.uk (don't sign up for the paid for service, use the free one and then cross reference against Google and Ofsted to find contact details). It turned out really well, childminders don't tend to operate a waiting list like nurseries do so places open up all the time and we found several outstanding ones in our area (Lewisham) compared to just one outstanding nursery. Anyway, apologies if you've already exhausted this route. And good luck in the hunt!!

Dozygirl · 04/01/2016 22:02

Oops forgot to post photos

Dozygirl · 04/01/2016 22:06

Oh well the pics aren't attaching for some reason.

Dozygirl · 04/01/2016 22:07

Lol they've worked now. That was hard work haha.

Dozygirl · 04/01/2016 23:23

Frolic yes I dream feed. I give it before she has change to wake up. Most of the time she's not been asleep long but she'll have had her previous feed 3 hours before or thereabouts. I use a bottle though but u can dream feed with a breast. I've never tried it though. Think fanby was bf dream feeding. Remember her talking about wafting her breast around until molly took it lol. It works for us anyway but hadn't really thought about the having to drop it thing. Just figured I'm happy to give a feed at that time as it's when I go to bed and saves her waking up just after a fall asleep.

Tindel · 05/01/2016 04:37

Well, after two nights of calm early bedtimes, J decided to revert back to fighting sleep again and didn't get to sleep until gone 1030. So much for trying to coordinate naps and an evening with DH after his first day back at work! We have swimming lessons this afternoon, so hoping that will tire him out. Really hoping we don't have too much longer with this sleep regression. Those of you who have made it out the other side, did you get the same pattern back? Just preparing myself as to what I can expect, if anything.

Finding childcare is really freaking me out - am going to enquire about nurseries this week and see what's available. Am hoping that not going back until September will help matters

sianihedgehog · 05/01/2016 05:01

Oh jesus christ, fuck tonight. I reorganised the bedroom so that I will be able to move the cot away from the bed and put the side up. And apparently this has resulted DS learning to roll onto his front in his grobag... Which he is doing every 45 minutes and waking himself up as he can't roll front to back all. I haven't had more than an hour all night. :(

Fanby · 05/01/2016 05:10

Howdy!! Am very sleepy so will make this a quick one...

Fatty - how cute is Nathan!! What a clever boy

Dream feed - used to do it but due to shitty sleep regression I just go to bed as soon as possible. To be honest for us it didn't make too much difference

Sleep regression - I know some people think it's codswallop but literally ours dramatically improved as soon as leap four finished on wonder weeks. It was every hour for weeks, and then overnight it changed to two or three wake ups, which for us is normal. The first one is earlier than pre regression but it's only been 3/4days so still finding our feet. We now wake at 1:30ish and 5 ish - although tonight for example we had a 10:30pm and the night before a 3.30ish but to be honest I'll take that. Anything is better than every hour.

Siani - excellent news on the rolling...just not at this time of night!! Time to get out the duct tape and tape him down in the cot Wink

Big kisses to you all, DH is snoring like a trooper and is going to get a kick as soon as the beast is finished xx

Frolicacid · 05/01/2016 05:10

I'm with you siani, fuck tonight. It's crap.

Joskar · 05/01/2016 06:05

I'm going to put a peg on Dh's nose. Snoring like a bloody rhino all bloody night. Gah!

Dozygirl · 05/01/2016 06:45

Awwww poor baby isn't used to daddy's naughty alarm clock going off. She's been up since 3 for a feed so I'd left her in bed next to me after it. She burst into tears when his alarm suddenly went off. Poor little muffin. She's fed and gone back to sleep again. I can't move her though or she'll wake up. She'll sleep for ages right next to me but the minute I move she wakes up. She doesn't have floppy arms lol.

Awww Siani and frolic sorry you've had bad nights :(

Fanby I do think wonder weeks is right for some babies. It just doesn't fit with Piper. But that's great to hear she's out of the leap now. Here's hoping you start getting maybe 4-5 hours rest in between feeds.

loveandsmiles · 05/01/2016 07:13

Morning all - the only way I could get any sleep was to have babyloves lying on top of me with boob in her mouth - got a sore arm and back nowSad. joskar we have been feeding all night for the past couple of nights now too - know from experience that I should try to refuse boob sometimes but if she cries scared she will wake other DC up and also just want a sleep - IT WILL GET BETTER!

clstow sorry you are having childcare problems - hope you manage to get something sorted out - very stressful for you

siani wow to a tooth - babyloves not showing any signs yet - other DC never got their first tooth until about 10-12 months

dozy can't believe pics of Piper sitting and having a munch!! Babyloves is nowhere near being able to sit and is showing no interest in food. She is rocking the hat👒

everything our schools in Fife came off really early so go back earlier than Edinburgh - missed having the DC around - babyloves kept looking around as if wondering where all her playmates had gone!! Did get all the house back in some kind of order though which made me feel much better and took toddler to her tumble class - it is good to get back into the school routine after having such a lazy 2 weeks although I always hate the school run in bad weather.

I ordered new fitness clothes yesterday - going to begin a class in a couple of weeks - a new class is starting up - Mumafit - where you can take your baby / toddler along - figured if I buy the new outfit I will have to go - no excuses!! Should also have finished the Xmas chocs by then......

mzzzf · 05/01/2016 07:20

Last night can fuck right off indeed. Side sleeping isn't the elixir it promised to be. She was clearly just throwing me a bone of some sleep before the shitorama!!
Settled relatively ok, with one rejig needed before then two more as I was just laying down. Then another when DH came to bed, so fed her. I am thankful for a 3hr stretch (until 4am) but since that it's been every 30mins - FFS!!!
And I don't even think it's regression it's just her sleep pattern 😕 Such fun!

Joskar I hear you on the snoring, my DH was seconds away from a pillow smothering. Nothing makes you miss sleep more than hearing someone else having it!

Anyway - leftover Yule log for breakfast anyone?

Frolicacid · 05/01/2016 07:29

Good morning! Pass the matchsticks! Ds was awake pretty much every hour last night and is taking increasingly longer to settle. I spent the short burts in between wake up's lying there obsessing about how to make it stop. I wander if I should stop feeding him every time and try to teach him to self settle? Or would that just mean less sleep? I'm also wandering about my supply. I hate that I don't know how much milk he's getting and am worried he's hungry.
It's utter shit.

Sorry you're having such problems finding childcare clstow. What a nightmare.

Beautiful photos dozy! She is totally rocking the hat.
Thanks for the dream feeds tips. If he ever sleeps long enough I will try.

Solidarity fist bump tindel.

siani ☕️☕️☕️

Only 2 days left of this leap for us fanby. I hope and pray for some improvement asap.
A poke in the ribs and telling him to roll over usually works for mr frolic's snoring.

Frolicacid · 05/01/2016 07:31

X-posts mzzf - pass me some Yule log please?

Fanby · 05/01/2016 08:11

Dozy - we're having same alarm clock issues in our house, two days in and I'm already mega pissed off with him. He left her squawking in her cot this morning when he could have taken her whilst getting ready. I got up about 10mins after and bumped into him in the hallway 'oh you're still here?', 'yes, shall I take her' - too fucking right after you woke her up!

Frolic - I bloody hate the sleep anxiety, such a waste of precious zzzz's. My next thing is, ahh once she's weaned she'll sleep better - that is what's getting me through right now!!

Sorry for all those who had shitty nights, mzzf hope you've got enough Yule log to go around! xx

kbro79 · 05/01/2016 08:59

Yes I can add another fuck last night. Oh and waking early didn't get him to bed any earlier. But can't expect it to change in a day. So we were up again today.

People that do bedtimes that involve endlessly resettling - any tips? Do you just keep rocking back to sleep etc.

Frolic we used to dream feed. DS now kindly wakes for it of course so I don't need to. He's dead thoughtful like that. But when I did I found this v helpful www.emmasdiary.co.uk/baby/breastfeeding/dreamfeeding
Although as dozy said its basically about waving a boob under their nose.

I hear you on the lying awake stressing. Last night DS was up every hour bar one stretch of 2 hours and I could not sleep. I just lay there stressing about when he was going to wake / why won't he sleep / what am I doing wrong.

Am not sure about wonder weeks and due date. DS was 13 days late and I feel it fits more with his birth date. His sleep has got marginally better since his leap finished but no where near as good as it was.

I know we discussed this at the weekend but my sieve like memory cant remember. When do people think cut off point for last nap should be?

Right today is a new day and all that. It will pass. It will pass.

kbro79 · 05/01/2016 09:01

Oh yes and fanby I am totally on the once he's weaned page. That's my latest 'theory' too.

Slowifeandthegrumpydwarfs · 05/01/2016 09:57

Just a quick post to say to all the sleepless SuperMums this morning - IT IS NOTHING YOU ARE DOING!

It's not your supply, bf'ing Mums. It's not the type or quantity of formula you are using.

It maybe teeth.

It maybe sleep regression. Or them getting used to a 90 minute sleep cycle.

It maybe that they can't sooth themselves yet, or that they keep losing their thumb/dummy. Or that they are distracted and want to play because the world is a really exciting place at 3am.

It may be jabs, or a mild illness. It may be that they haven't had a poo for a day or so.

It may be just that they are feeling really small and so they need to be in their happy place next to Mummy.

Who knows? Let's face it, when it comes to sleep babies are dickheads.

And the really cruel part of it all is that the dickheadness only kicks in after you think you are through the 'worst'. After all, everyone says that new babies don't sleep, right? Only they do. Newborns sleep all the effing time which lulls you into a false sense of security as you think you have managed to get the magic one which 'sleeps'.

MWAHAHAHAHA!!

What all those well meaning people should have said is that all babies struggle to learn how to sleep. This struggle seems to start around 12-weeks (at the point they are no longer in a newborn fuzz) and finishes when they finally 'get it' at some indeterminate point in the future.

You might be able to 'help' them to learn how to self soothe if you have an amenable one (cue lots of shushing, patting, rocking, singing and other 'ings that in your former pre-baby life you thought were reserved for drunken nights at Lucky Voice) but for the most part you just have to remember....

IT'S NOT YOU. IT'S THE BABY. So cut yourselves massive amounts of slack lovely ladies and please try not to worry Star

I found this on Facebook this morning from the 'Gentle Sleep Book'. I cant paste the link so have just copied it out. It's a nice read for the bf'ing Mums but also thoughtful for the ff'ers as well.

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"If you keep breastfeeding at night your baby will keep waking up in the night to feed."

This is something that so many parents I work with believe. Often they will say to me "it's my own fault, because I'm still breastfeeding" or "I've created a bad habit by feeding at night". Many 'experts' will say similar, suggesting that if you breastfeed your baby at night you will guarantee that they will keep waking up wanting it. I even heard an 'expert' once compare it to being offered a glass of champagne in the middle of the night, i.e: you wouldn't refuse it and would soon develop a habit of drinking champagne at 3am. Honestly this is the sort of rubbish that parents end up believing because it sounds strangely feasible. Only it's not.

Breastfeeding in itself doesn't ever 'make' babies wake at night. When they are little they wake because they are hungry (amongst other reasons) and need to breastfeed to refill their tummies, if they are formula fed the same is no less true however.

Once babies start to eat more solids and their stomachs can take on a significant amount of milk most (not all though!) will be able to make it through the night most of the time (but definitely not all of the time, at 39 I still have a drink in the middle of the night quite often!). They are not waking BECAUSE they are being breastfed though, rather the breast comforts them back to sleep when they wake. Breastfeeding isn't just fuel to babies, it's comfort and pain relief too. If you weren't breastfeeding they would still wake just as much! Because that's what babies do, they wake regularly!

Breastfed babies wake, formula fed babies wake - they wake because they are babies, not because they are obsessed with breasts and somehow wake themselves specifically because they've been dreaming about them!

The difference however lies in the fact that most breastfed babies will almost always need comfort from the breast to go back to sleep (unless you have introduced other ways to comfort them), most bottle fed babies don't take comfort from an empty bottle/when they're not hungry, they have other ways of getting comfort. Cut out the breastfeeding and you don't take this need for comfort away however, they will still wake often and they will still need comfort.

Breastfeeding does not MAKE babies wake. Breastfeeding doesn't create bad habits/habitual feeding at night. Babies wake because they are babies and breastfeeding is how they get calm enough to start a new sleep cycle. It isn't 'the problem', it is 'the solution'!

In time they will take comfort from other things (and you can speed this up too, by working on other ways to comfort, just like parents who formula feed do from the very earliest days). In time ALL babies will night wean of their own accord (and in the truest sense of the term, it is only then that they are "ready to night wean", if they haven't done it themselves then technically they are not 'ready'). You don't need to do anything to make it happen, unless you want to.

kbb23 · 05/01/2016 09:59

Kbro we dont let ds nap after 5.30 we wake him up if he's still asleep then his bed time is 7pm. I dont get the wonder weeks app at all ds was just short of 4 weeks early and he doesnt fit with his birth or due date

rrra · 05/01/2016 10:10

I'm in the fuck last night group too. Brought DS into bed next to me which meant I was actually laying into his cot. He still only managed a 2 hour stretch.

I was holding out hope for improvement once we leap was over, but it ended for us a couple of days ago and no improvement yet.

I wanted to BF to at least six months, which is why I swing between just holding out for another 6/7 weeks and thinking fuck it, me being miserable affects the whole family so why not just switch now? But feeding to sleep is the only thing I've got really. He isn't bothered by a dummy. I have tried formula feed at 7 ish a few times but made no difference. Might try a 9/10 feed with it instead.

I'm going to wait until about 5.5 months to see about weaning. DS is watching us intently now when we eat, but I'd rather wait a bit. I think my DD was about 24/25 weeks when I started with some purees with her. I then moved into a mixture of those with finger foods.

Tindel · 05/01/2016 10:40

Thank you slow that's reassuring to read.

kbro we have started waking J up if he is still asleep at 5pm with the aim to get him down for the night by 730, 8ish. But as that utterly failed last night, I may not be the best indicator.

We have swimming this afternoon, so maybe that will tire him out and we can have another calm evening

everythingispeachy · 05/01/2016 12:04

Hi there must be something in the air coz I am in the last night can fuck right off gang too. I went to the cinema and was home at 10.30 dh said Ds had been up a couple of times but settled on him so I just put it down to him sensing I was out but no, the little bugger was then up every hour until 4am when I gave him some calpol and he slept till 6am. He does have a cough and blocked nose so I am hoping that was disturbing him. Dh got up with both boys at 6.30 and let me sleep till 9 so feeling semi human. Fingers crossed tonight is better. Ds1 was reliably sleeping 8 till 6 by 7 months so I do know things will improve but really hope ds2 doesn't take much longer than 7 months to figure it out. I don't think I could cope with this and going to work. He is now all cute and serenely sleeping in my arms, won't be put in his cot obvs. So I can't get anything done. Ds1 is playing on the tablet for the 110th hour today! Argh whatever takes to get through people. Cakes are on me!