It's the Christmas party at Mugabe nights, pull up a bar stool and order your shots! August 2015

[FattyNinjaOwl]

New thread for all the regulars at the bar, and the not so regulars too.

[kbro79]

Ha ha twins is also my biggest fear. Imagine the horror? Oh god. But great article. Very moving and great to see people talking openly.

Mzzzf massive congrats on the job offer. That's great and 3 days sounds lovely!!!

Jokstar hope you feel better soon. A frog is bound to sort you out. When I asked my nephew what he wanted for Christmas he said toy dinosour or a real crow.

[Clstow]

Mugabe one and all, thanks for the new thread Fatty, and for the festive shots Fanby.

Thanks for the article Joskar, definitely good to see pnd getting some coverage. Great that your DH is looking after you, hope you feel better very soon.

and for you Giraffe. Be kind to yourself and definitely chat to your DH and HV.

Congrats on the job, and the night away MzzF. I reckon 3 days is perfect, I'm looking forward to going back to work but know it'll be tough doing full time. Looking forward to dropping back down to part time once DP has done his bit of our parental leave.

DS had his third jabs today and has been in a right state. He's asleep on me now so can't imagine when he'll go to bed or what our night will be like. The last few nights have been awful as he keep rolling over and then can't roll himself back again so shouts for me to turn him back. He normally goes back to sleep but it means I'm getting very little unbroken sleep... Guess this is our version of the 4 month regression. Just need to wait for him to learn to roll the other way.

Sorry my sleep deprived mind can't remember much else from the last page but that cake looked amazing and yay for little Love playing Mary.

Hope everyone has a good Monday night, I'll see you at the bar but will most likely be too tired to chat!

[nolongerwaitingfornumber2]

I already can't keep up with the thread. You're such chatterboxes!

I have had to put DD to bed without a story. She is being so naughty at the moment. I feel awful getting so cross with her but she just doesn't listen.

DS seems to be sleeping a little better since a monster poo yesterday. He did 3 hours, dream feed, 5 more hours last night. Was amazing! He'll be 18 weeks on Weds so maybe coming out of the other side of sleep regression?

Frolic, pre children that was my approach to wrapping too. Post children and I am just happy if there are no holes in the paper! Also sitting on the floor playing and then the same wrapping plays havoc with my back.

Tindel, I have no advice I'm afraid. I'm like Joskar and don't do bedtime as such with DS yet. He fell asleep watching I'm a Celeb last night!

Mzzf, so glad you had a great night away! Job sounds good. I'll be going 3 days too and think it's a nice balance.

Giraffes, def speak to your hv. The loneliness is the worst and when you have a preschooler too you are just in the fug. I got so cross over spilt squash on the TV cabinet earlier and realised this is what my life has become.

Loves, sorry to hear about shit sleep. At least you and your DH saved your DS's birthday. I bet he was so happy. I'm slightly dreading when I have to do boring and crap school concerts!

Joskar, can I borrow your DH when you are better? What a star! Mine spent all day yesterday doing online shopping for Christmas saying he didn't have time at work to do it so I was left with both kids on a weekend day when he should have been around to help. Grr... Your eldest daughter sounds adorable and very caring. Can I borrow her too? Nursery described mine as a St Trinian last week!

Clstow, 3rd set of jabs was a nightmare for us too. I think it is the worst. He just wanted cuddles and feeds all the time.

Takes a shot off Fanby and settles down for a night in front of the TV

[mzzzf]

Id love it if DD settled downstairs of an evening but she won't. Do you guys do more playing yo knacker them out again if they're downstairs?

[nolongerwaitingfornumber2]

No, just feed, cuddle or bounce to sleep. I guess it's just different babies. We have just table lamp on but tv is on normal volume and DS will occasionally jump if there's loud music or bangs but generally sleeps through the noise.

[Tindel]

Am feeling slightly smug as DH was convinced he'd cracked getting J to sleep. 45 minutes later and he's back up settling him while I have a beer. Hopefully it won't take too long - he's done loads of tidying and am hoping to spend some of this evening with him ...

[everythingispeachy]

Hi it was me who made the cake or really dh did the structural and arty bits, I just baked it and added fondant. Ds1 loved his party yesterday. I was looking at a video of him from about 6 months ago and the change in that time is amazing. Can't believe this time 3 years ago my contractions were just starting.

The thread has moved so quickly but to those who are ill, tired, lonely etc... we sound like quote from the statue of liberty. I woke up today with a runny nose and scratchy throat. Ds2 is coughing also and we had a rubbish nights sleep. Hoping tonight will be better but listening to him stir now. I think he will be in our room for a while as the boys will be sharing and I don't want to mess with ds1 routine.

Can't remember who said their toddler doesn't listen but I have one like that too. I went on a course that said that they are processing information 16x slower than us so you need to give them time to respond but they didn't tell me what to do when your toddler is grabbing the baby by the head for the millionth time that day.

Mzzf congrats on the job. I say go for it but I have found since going pt since ds1 that the number of days you want to work is actually n-1. N being the number you currently work. I do 4 and would love to go to 3.

Right ds2 is still asleep so I should be too. See you later for shots.

[Lilydreams]

Clstow- we found the 3rd lot of jabs the worse by far they really three DS off for a good few days- I think sleep regression started off the back of them too!

Mzzf- I'm intrigued by that too! Loves?

Tindel- enjoy your beer!!

I've gone with the no bedtime theory tonight after the last 3 nights crying I just thought I'd totally play it down. So after bath I put him in his bouncy chair in the kitchen with dimmed lights whilst I made tea. After we'd eaten I gave him a bottle and he fell asleep in my arms 10 minutes later- 10pm so an hour better than last night BUT just as I thought I was winning he woke up at 10.20pm and I've only just got him back to sleep- no crying though just keeps waking himself as his nose keeps blocking! Damn he's awake again- laters

[Dozygirl]

Noooooooo don't all tell me that about the 3rd lot of jabs :( we have ours next week which is also one of our busiest weeks with lots of plans so I don't want her to be not her usual chirpy self.

Mzzf well done on the job. I don't want to go back to work ever but I'm sure once I go back it'll be fine.

Joskar u poor thing. Hope u feel better soon. Good that u have a caring dh. Tbf that's the only time my dp is nice to me is when I'm really not well and he will look after me.

Amazing cake everything.

Sorry for those still suffering with sleepless nights. I had one 4 am wake up last night so just put her in bed with me. She didn't want feeding. I'd been talking in my sleep though and had woken dp up which then woke me up and I'm not sure what time that was so maybe I disturbed dd as well. No signs of sleep regression yet. Not sure everyone gets it though as I'd never really heard of it until recently.

I'm not good at Co sleeping. It's not because I'm against it but more because I can't get comfy and I don't fall into a deep sleep so I'd rather not do it as I love snuggling right under my duvet. Would be easier to Co sleep if dp wasn't in bed too.

Still no evening routine with us. She doesn't seem to get overstimulated by the TV and the lights and we have the TV on quite loud. She happily plays or snuggles or falls asleep, whatever she feels like doing really. I went to see a friend tonight so dp fed her an extra bottle ether than having a bf and she fell asleep in his arms. He'd not done her nappy though so I had to disturb her to that but she soon settled back down into her crib afterwards and is now asleep . I think 2 bottles in the evening seems to settle her better than a bf followed by a bottle.

Loves also interested in what religion u are just out of curiosity.

Mugabe to u all. That's about all I could catch up on so I'm sorry if I've missed u out.

[Joskar]

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[FattySantaRobin]

Well I'm in for another sleepless night. DD is awake and upset with me because I had to literally force medicine down her (squirt in mouth, hold jaw shut, tilt head back so she would swallow) and DS2 has started coughing now and has been off his bottles all day.

[FattySantaRobin]

joskar haha I've held my crying babies every which way and if they are really upset, nothing works. (I've never tried upside down before 12 months though)

[Grok]

Mugabe all!

Surely I'm not the only one in the bar?

DD down at 9, up at 11.30 and now 3.30. I went to bed at 10.30, optimistically hoping for more than a few hours of sleep at a time.

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[Frolicacid]

I'm here grok! < necks a few shots >
Slightly better than last night in that we had a stretch from 9:30-2am - but back to 2 hourly waking now 😴😴

[mzzzf]

I'm here. And have been from 7.30-10pm, again at 11,1,2 and now. Fair to say I'm pissed (off!). Where did my 4hrly sleeper go?!

[Tindel]

I'm here too! Think I woke up J when I went to the loo, so he got cross and decided not only was he hungry, he needed a clean nappy now!

[everythingispeachy]

I'm here ds2 woke himself up coughing. Still coughing and struggling to feed. Poor mite

[Joskar]

Baby didn't go down til 1 then woke every 90 minutes. She only slept on me. And plus dd1 woke at 3 from the storm. Dh went through and hasn't been back. Dd2 has her second lot of jabs today which is probably not good because the first lot were dreadful.

My throat is on fire and my ears are about to explode.

Fuck a duck. Hard times, people.

[randomsabreuse]

Hi all

We're off doing "Christmas" with the inlaws - DH working the real thing. DH's mum is a feeder and diabetic (and naughty) so it's a trial of endurance/(wo)man vs food. She cooks about a million potatoes, says she shouldn't have any then polishes off the leftovers. Same with desserts - one for every meal - she ate a double portion of jelly from a mug so we wouldn't realise so now there's pressure to finish all desserts as well. This has lead to me eating more (and especially more dairy) than normal so poor little F is really colicky 8 - 10 dirty green slimy nappies per day - think we might have low level cow's milk protein intolerance as well as the egg issues we spotted in month one :-( Had noticed if I had a dairy based dessert or yoghurt as well as morning cereal that she was a bit more explosive so was just gently limiting to breakfast but fear of my DH exploding through protecting his mum lead me to ignore the situation to our cost - my good little sleeper is squirming and struggling to settle.

Going to have to make an appointment with the GP to discuss after Christmas I think as I want to know what I'm dealing with before weaning. Also not sure she's put on much weight this month - disposable nappies are leaking about once a day as her legs are too scrawny for the size 3s she needs (at least) for capacity reasons. Looking forward to getting home to my cloth nappies which can have a tiny waist/thighs and a tonne of bamboo to absorb!

I can't co sleep (well actually she can sleep in my bed but I then can't relax enough to sleep). Just can't relax knowing she's there and have woken in a panic carefully cradling my (unmoving hence the panic) pillow thinking it's her when she's safely in her basket. There's little point trying when I'd get worse sleep out of it!

Good luck Joskar. F's are delayed as we had this week away booked before the appointment cam out. Also dreading as 1st lot were a nightmare.

Tindel - I've done that - slight chirrup from her which she would settle from, wakes me so I have to toddle off to the loo, which wakes her so feed/nappy change urgently required. To add to the situation after a bit of a feed the fun contraction rubbish means I'm dying for a poo so have to interrupt feed, dump grumpy baby on DH then toddle off again! Then her nappy explodes and it feels like a carry on film!

Hope all the bugs get killed off soon

Will stop here before the tab crashes!

[mzzzf]

Would having gin for breakfast be frowned upon?!

I think I've snot transferred to DD who's sneezing like a trooper. We've third jabs on Wednesday so of course it'll be the worstest EVER!

Joskar the storm is pretty bloody noisy here too but imagine you're getting more of a battering. Although this morning I've a mind to hire a chainsaw to fell all the bastard trees knocking against the house!

[Frolicacid]

Morning all. Sorry so many babies are suffering with snot and sleep. Utter crapola.

Ds was clearly cheerleading his way through the night - 2, 4, 6, 8 waaahhhh!
He has woken up in a very jolly mood, so we're making the most of it with some baby gym and tummy time.
He's still shouting too! We went to the pub for dinner last night and he just sat in his pushchair, shouting very loudly at the Christmas lights. I thought he was really annoying the lady next to us because she kept looking, but it turned out she was pregnant and looking at him because she thought he was cute

How was night two in the cot bed lily? All good I hope?

Yay for successful Christmas shopping tindel.

Brilliant that all your girls have been Mary loves! I bet the other parents are fuming ! I hear school plays are a very serious business.

I hope you feel better today jockstar. Dd sounds very sweet and I'm sure that frog will help lots.

Lol at real crow kbro!

I hope Ds is better after his jabs clstow. Ds' are on the 23rd. should make for a fun Christmas.

We just do whatever in the evening mzzf, dependent on Ds' mood. Most of the time he cluster feeds, but if he's up for a bit of a play we'll do that too.
Gin for breakfast is an excellent idea! Cheers!

Christmas with your in-law's sounds like hard work random!
Gp sounds like a good idea to discuss the food issues.

Ds just did a huge poo. Lovely start to the day!

[Lilydreams]

Oh dear we all had a bit of a rubbish night didn't we!!

Frolic- Xmas jabs- eek!! night 2 in Cotbed was no where near as good as night 1 but I think that was more due to the poor little more having a stuffy nose. He did an initial 4 hour chunk when he finally dropped off which I'm still not complaining about but then woke every 30 minutes or so when his nose blocked up! What is everyone using for baby colds/ coughs?

Random- I'll come to your in laws next time I love a good feed!! At least you had hold of a pillow- the other night I woke up twice standing over the Moses most confused as to how DS was already in it when id just tiptoed so carefully over with him in my arms to put him down- I had hold of nothing!!! Argh the sleep deprivation!!

Joksar hope your feeling better today.

Fatty- my DS is still really off his bottles too- yesterday he had a grand total of 23oz although that was an improvement on the day before a 16oz!! He woke at 7am today and I made him a bottle- he only took 3oz and then refused any more. I hate it when he doesn't eat properly it really worries me! He fell back asleep lying on our bed whilst I was getting ready at 0815 so I popped him back in his cot and he's still asleep now I don't quite know what to do with myself he's never asleep at this time! Going to have to wake him soon as I need to leave at 10am for our exercise class- he'll no doubt decide he's hungry the and l spend it sat there feeding him! Ah well!!

[FattySantaRobin]

It's awful when they are unwell but sleep is good for them. It gives their body chance to fight off the bugs. I don't worry too much about DS2 being off his bottles but he's a big lad so its not like losing a bit of weight is going to damage him in any way it certainly didn't hurt DD when she dropped centiles.
I'm using olbas oil on a cloth on the radiator in my room, snufflebabe and calpol if needed. Snot sucking as and when. Unfortunately they are too young for cough medicine. They can't have cougg medicine until they are 1, and even then its the crap stuff. You've got to wait until they are 2 to have the good shit that works (buttercup syrup)

I know its easier said than done, especially with your first, but try not to worry about coughs and colds, there's going to be a hell of a lot more of them over the next few years.

[rrra]

Mugabe all!

Well, yesterday I had my H take the side off the cot and hook it up to our bed to make a cosleeper. It looked really good, but actually really uncomfortable as my mattress sags at the side where I sit on it! So some modifications needed so DS doesn't roll into the dip.

For those who co sleep, do you find it comfortable? I find I get really achy down one side from not moving, so although DS might be getting more rest I'm not really! also, do you feed from just one side in the night? My plan is to co sleep for a few more days and then have him further back into his cot again. We'll see!

Off to see a lactation consultant today at a BFing group to see whether she has any ideas.

Sorry that others have had a bad night, but it does make me feel a teensy bit better!

Mzzzf, job offer sounds interesting. And three days sounds a nice balance. I was trying to get DS down earlier, mainly so I could go to bed! But he'd be waking as soon as I put him down, so gave up last night and watched TV instead. He tends to snooze on my lap feeding on and off so no bother really.

Lily, DS is snotty here. I use a saline spray. I don't think there is a lot else you can do. When very bad I have a humidifier and glad that I can now put baby olbus oil in it! I find it helps coughs too as keeps the air moist.

Jokstar and others with much disturbed nights, feel your pain. Night waking fistbump. I'm just doing my best to remind myself this is normal and 14 weeks is no age and it will pass. I find if I dwell on the idea of night wakings and rubbish naps I just get depressed and it doesn't change anything. It is hard though.

We opened the Christmas celebration chocs last night. Needs must.

[rrra]

Oh yes, forgot snufflebabe as fatty mentions. That is good too, and I found putting some on soles of feet sometimes helps with coughing! I don't really know why.