Just Mumming 8 - the one with the fire crawlers, wind machines and the Health Visitor revolt

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Add your stats Viroids (or don't bother). I feel like there's something I'm supposed to write here but don't know what it is...

Ah he didn't learn the first time - B has been put in crib again and woke up 5 mins later.

It's like watching a carry on film

It's hard toast. it hard to be one of the worst bits. It will get longer at some point, we aren't a good example but at 13 weeks in we seem to be more towards 3hr breaks than 2hrs. But plenty of babies go longer or even all night by this stage. Good luck with the afterthoughts. It's a great service to offer, I'm not ready yet though.

The rush of love seems rare from the conversations I have had min. It's hard to love someone you don't know that just shouts at you and wants something all the time. I'm sure I do love J, I must if I haven't put him in the bin yet, but I don't always see it and singing songs about mummy loving baby in classes sometimes feel a bit weird. I don't think you're alone at all!

Sorry about the men woes viroids. They don't seem to get it. I'm pretty lucky with DH overall but do get fed up with having to ask; why he can't take the initiative and take him away in the morning so I can sleep or something. Hopefully they all get better as time goes on, if they are back at work they spend less time with the baby so maybe haven't learnt their ways like we have. Then they give up too quickly!

We had jabs yesterday which DH took the day off for mad I said how horrible it was last time. Obvs this time he was fine! Cried when needles went in but the smiling by the time we got to the car. Hustler baby!

Oh and the one nappy done by DH leaked. All over me.

Fuckinell these men need parenting classes on how to look after a post partum wife: all of your STs would have fucked me right off by now and I think I would've punched at least one right in the the ball sack.
ST is a stupid fucking twat sometimes and he drives me insane but he doesn't seem too bad compared to some. The only thing that really really pisses me off About mine is that he can't drive. He's learning now though which is a start but it makes my life so difficult.

Toast- R was sleeping through at 12 weeks and doing 12 hours stints. It was amazing, now he's poorly he's up every half an hour and I want to throw myself out of our bedroom window but I just don't have the energy.

I agree Dulcet it is really hard to love someone you've only just met and that includes kids. Also with you on the annoying "mummy loves you" songs. Don't think there's anything that pisses me off more. Hope minidulcet is OK after jabs yesterday. Nothing worse.

I could cry right now but I have no energy for tears. I'm sat in my bed watching R sleep. He gave us a bit of a shock today because last night he was up every half an hour crying in pain. By 7am I was done- bearing in mind that I was supposed to be at my new job today helping with an open day- I rang NHS helpline who told me to take him to A&E. R was covered in a rash, wheezing, choking on his own spit and screaming his head offS needless to say as soon as we go to hospital he was all smiles for the nice lady behind the desk. He had some tests to check for bronchiolitis but that got ruled out as did meningitis (the rash didn't stay under pressure thank god!) but his throat is all angry and red which may be why he's not feeding. Anyway we've got him some antibiotics for a bacterial infection of the throat. I hope to god they start working soon! I'm beyond fucked.
ST has been really good, made me a brew and a sausage butty, he's going to take P for a walk into the village to pick up tea so I don't have to drive anywhere. He better come back with chocolate because I need some today! R is going to stay with me and keep warm, hopefully we may even have a little snooze together.

Toast that sounded like I was gloating in the last message and I sounded like a right cow. I apologise. I forgot to add that some babies can and will start sleeping through quite early on. I've heard it's something to do with weight but don't quote me on it. So there is hope hang on in there.

Oh no pixie don't worry I didn't think you were gloating! Babies are all different and we all have easier times and shit times in equal measure I'm sure. I know I have it easy that although she's waking frequently I can feed her, change her and then put her down and she'll settle easily, even if it's not for long before she's hungry again.

Had a lovely few hours with my friends here, they brought loads of food with them for lunch, made drinks, cleared everything up afterwards, did all the washing up, and left all the leftovers in the fridge for me to have tomorrow! Brilliant! They've gone so now I'm sat on the sofa with a donut, and Melba sleeping on me. Debating whether to try to put her in her carrycot so I can sleep too, but think if I try this she'll wake up and want feeding again and I won't get my nap anyway. Might just carry on sitting.

I think if you've never had a child before you don't know how you're 'supposed' to feel and how it does feel to love your child. It was like the way I felt about her was brand new to me, I'd never had that experience of having and loving my own child, and so Initially I didn't know if I felt the way I should.

How lovely Toast - exactly the kind of friends you need!!

Hope R is ok pixie

I'm really envious of people who say they love their partner more after having a baby....

Some people just don't like the baby part Min! It will come x

I never really got into a routine of expressing milk purple. I have got a bit in the freezer and some ready made formula for emergencies. I'm not sure its the milk he wants as such - he just won't go to sleep without my nipple in his mouth!! Guess I will have to bite the bullet and leave them to it at some point....

Having some spotting today... Can't decide if it's AF or because I let DH shag me the other night! Feeling v crampy

Minipopz can apparently now open doors and climb the bookcase to get to his toys.... FML.

Love those sort of friends too Toast. My brother turned up with lunch the Saturday after B was born. It was fab!

Popz will mini take a bottle at all? Just wondering if it's something to work on, to save your sanity and make MrPopz step up more

We've been out for a walk today, B slept through the whole thing. Nice to get some fresh air.

I'm being plagued by weird back pain, it's like trapped wind. My friend just suggested it might be my gall bladder

popz I bit the 'not using mummy's boob to put yourself to sleep' bullet over the last week or so, I decided it was getting silly, she'd wake..have 2 sucks on the boob to put herself back to sleep but refuse to go down without it. So I decided no boob between midnight and 6am unless she's poorly. We did pick up put down, but at 8 months you don't actually pick them up unless they're upset.

She's getting better at putting herself to sleep now and hasn't had boob in those times for over a week now! I almost don't want to say it, because I'm sure it won't last and I'll jinx it, but... She's gone to bed at 8pm for the last 2 nights, I've done a dream feed at 10ish, which hadn't woken her but has topped her up a bit, then she's slept through until 6.30/7am! I have no doubt she'll regress at some point, but I feel better doing it this way that she's not been left to cry, we always comfort her with a hand on her chest, talking to her and picking her up for a cuddle if needed, and knowing in my head when I will or won't give her boob. I know she doesn't need the milk as she's slept through before the dreaded sleep regression stage!

She still uses it to go to sleep in the day though, but one battle at a time!

Sorry for random appearance, I have been reading, just not posting. Very sorry about shitty men. Mine is very good, but I do find I have to think for him, so he'll take H away to play with her while I have some time, but won't think to take her for a walk, or give her a snack unless I tell him. I've told him to think about it but it doesn't work, so now I give him a huge talk about what he needs to do "if she fusses she'll need a walk because she hasn't slept yet, so take her out but put a hat and coat on her, give her a snack in an hour, she'll want a wriggle on the floor after a walk" etc etc. at least then I know H will be happy and I worry less and MrZ does love her to bits and try his best, he just doesn't know her cues or routine as well as me.

Massive post, sorry!

And mrZ still gets up with me if needed in the night since I had a massive meltdown at him when H was about a month old, he'll only leave us to it and go back to sleep if I tell him to because of work, otherwise he'll sit up and keep me company. I really must be scary lol!

Hi all

pixie I hope R is ok. S has been out of sorts today. He hasn't wanted to feed much and has slept much more than usual (all in the pram though as we went out for a long walk in the park). He is constantly chomping on his fist and drooling so much his little jacket was soaked through.

Plus he has not been sleeping well at night for the past week.

I am wondering whether he is showing signs of teething but having read your post pixie I wonder whether he has a sore throat.

Anyway, he is feeding now and I have given him some calpol. Hopefully he will sleep well tonight.

This parenting lark is tough - it's always a guessing game as to what to do for the best.

DH has picked up his game a bit today, I had a moan about being tired etc and it seems to have sunk in. We had lunch out, he took S off to be changed without even mentioning it to me (usually it would be me saying, that S needs to be changed and DH just looking at me blankly) and then he held him while I ate my lunch and vice versa - usually he bolts down whatever he is eating and tries to get us out before S cries as he gets so stressed out. We even stayed for coffee. It was actually nice!

Then we came home and he packed me off for a nap. For an hour and a half .

Now he is cooking dinner while I feed S and try to settle him. Poor wee lamb looks sorry for himself

Hope it's not your gall bladder purple

popz I second the bottle suggestion, it may help (if you can) just feel that you have the option of escape....

Lovely friends toast I'm jealous! A group of mine are out tonight, I am not going - I went out last week and really didn't like leaving S. I never understood friends that were like that with their kids ......

Glad you've had a nice day Fleur and OH seems to be stepping up a bit better. Sorry to hear S isn't himself, apparently there's some nasty viral infections going round at the moment- that's what the Dr told me today anyway. Definitely give S lots of drinks (milk) and keep an eye out for a rash (if it does disappear with a glass it's a viral infection) but my advice is if S doesnt improve within a couple of days take him to the Drs just to have a once over. Bacterial throat infections are not nice for babies.

Bad thing is is that P is being very clingy and whimpering today; she woke up last night as well being a bit off. Hope to god she's not ill as well, that would be an absolute nightmare. Me and ST haven't slept properly since Monday night and if P is ill it's the last thing we need

Toast your friends sound lovely, nice to hear you've had a nice time **
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Popz* what would you do if you were pregnant again?! I cried when I found out I was pregnant with R, especially because P was only 5 months old when I found out. We wanted our kids close together but not that bloody close! I suppose they will play with each other when they get older and be playmates for each other. I've heard it gets easier. I'm just sitting and waiting patiently for those easier days to come. Seems a long way off yet!

Well R is fast asleep at the moment but for how long? He decides!
He's had 3 lots of antibiotics so fx that kicks in and he'll start feeling better. Also given him ibuprofen in case he has a headache or anything else is hurting that he can't tell me about. He looks so lovely when he's asleep bless him. Then again most babies do don't they. It's when they wake up, that's when shit gets real!
ST is doing his fatherly night duty of putting P to bed. She's still being whingey, no idea what's wrong with her. Think she's either ill or a bit fed up that R is getting so much attention and she's not. Reckon we'll have to take her to the park tomorrow and try and wear her out a bit. Days stuck inside do us no favours whatsoever. **

By the way I didn't type all that in bold this app does my head in. Now I look all psycho and shouty haha

((I think me and mrZ have worked out names for another baby! Not that I'll get pregnant as I'm always too knackered to DTD lol))

I'VE JUST EATEN A GIANT BAR OF GALAXY AND I FEEL NO GUILT!

I'm poised for baby to wake - massive feed and screamed his head off after bath before feed, so there MUST be wind in there. But I winded and winded and held him upright for half an hour and....nothing! Not even a wee fairy fart of a burp. Nothing. Fully expecting an epic wake up with big scream at some point.

pixie what a bloody shit time you're having!!! you poor thing - at least ST is being less of a ST and helping you. I'm so glad R is ok but that must have been really worrying :(

toast your friends are ace! My pals were being lovely at the start, saying they would make us meals and stuff. I felt mean saying we didn't need them, but at the time dh was making all the meals and we don't have a large enough freezer for anything big like a meal it's full of frigging cocktail glasses and fancy block ice

fleur I just re-read your post about S sleeping - he wakes at 10 but doesn't go back to sleep until 1? That's pretty exhausting! My DM showed me a techique for rocking that seems to work well for B - I wish I could describe it for you as it might help. It involves turning him into chest as though he's bf and then rocking from side to side whilst also jigging up and down and going 'sh sh sh sh sh' repeatedly. It really works but it take some bloody practice to get it right - it's what I'm trying to teach dh but he just doesn't have the patience.

fleur - sounds like start of teething. B has been sucking on fist and drooling for over a week now. If I give him teething keys he bites down hard and obviously enjoys them. He bites his hand so hard he leaves a mark!

Is anyone else terrified of Dr Who? I couldn't watch last week's one with the ghosts. It was too scary! Not as scary as the one with the angels. uuuuuuggg.....shudders

I definitely loved dh more after having baby at the very start, but now it just feels like we don't gel anymore. He keeps trying it on with me and quite frankly I'm just too fucking tired. Had it out with him this morning pixie you'd be proud and told him if he values this marriage he'll start listening to me and understanding that I spend more time with B so if I say something works to get him to sleep then something bloody works! He's promised to do better.

Baby massage was great - learned how to do colic and tummy massage. Last week it was legs. B loves it and is quiet all the way through, then does massive great big farts which makes me a happy viroid!

popz perhaps try letting MrP put him to bed one night and you just stay in another room? That's what I've done before, so that I could see how they got on and step in if needed.

zyla do you still dream feed? It's one of those things I'm never sure whether to do! B goes down at 7 and wakes to feed at 1:30/2 and 4:30/5. I was kind of hoping that would stop in months to come and he would sleep longer. I hate the sound of sleep regression, it sounds awful!

My neighbours are banging walls and doors - I'm going to go round there and go radge on their asses if they wake my bloody baby!!

La I am proud! Tell him every time he pisses you off you'll kick him up his fart box... Hard!
Epic post by the way, yeah it's not great at the moment but it makes me realise just how much better it is when the kids are well and how much I take for granted when ingest lots of sleep! R is still asleep and is self settling without screaming. He must be exhausted too. The dr rang as a follow up before- he www so lovely this morning, I thought I'd be moaned at for being a bit over dramatic for taking him in but you can never be too careful with rashes and they were all very supportive and caring towards R- he wanted to make sure he'd tried having some more of his milk (which he has) and just to ask how R was doing since he saw him this morning and to tell me that if anything changes for the worse to take him straight back in again.

Oh and La I'd totally be flinging baby shit over the garden wall by now if my neighbours were banging about. Inconsiderate cockwombles!!

I've just eaten an entire bag of family giant chocolate buttons and I don't give a shit either!!

I want a giant bar of galaxy!!

Hey there Zyla - how are things?? Incredibly envious of your sleep routine! Perhaps I should put more effort into it rather than just shoving my tit in his mouth all the time!! Have heard good things about Pantley Pull Off for weaning them off boobsnoozing...

Minipopz would never take a bottle; and seems a bit late in the day to be introducing one now. He'll drink from a sippy cup though, so I could leave him with that. It's not a mega issue to he honest, I don't have masses of evening engagements to be at these days anyway!

I probably wouldn't mind too much if I was upduffed pixie! Except I'm not back at work til Feb and I'd be a bit scared to rock up already pregnant again!

Minipopz decided to have a frigging 2 hour nap at 5pm.... So still playing hard here....

I can't stand Dr Who, it's scared the shit out of me since I was a small child. DH has to watch it when I'm not around.

B has loads of wind. We have infacol all over the house. Have you tried it La?
We've got some anti colic formula which we will try next. Anti colic bottles are helping a bit but they leak! We seem to have buggered them somehow!

DH doesn't listen to me about waking B when he falls asleep on the bottle. The more he takes the longer he sleeps. I have to undress him a bit to wake him up, I undo his sleeping bag and take his legs out of his babygro and tickle his knees

Viroids who had a section, do you still have a numb bit on your stomachs?

la I never used to dream feed because she woke up so so often for feeds! Now I just do it so I know she's topped up because I won't be feeding her throughout the night so it makes me feel less bad if she does wake up iyswim?

popz I'm good thanks! Pantley pull off sounds like a high jump move, like Fosbury flop! ;). It did take some decisiveness for me to stop night time booking to sleep, but you've got to understand..despite H loving solids, she still feeds at least a dozen times a day when awake (even though it's tiny amounts half the time), my boobs need a break!!

purple I don't have a numb patch now, but did for a good few months, the nerve endings can take longer to knit back together I think.

Ah, Minip barely takes any milk during the day.... He catches up at night!

I have a numb wound purple. And also quite sensitive/stingy skin just above it. Also the end of the wound doesn't want to heal up and close properly, where the ends of the stitches are knotted. It's started leaking a bit there too :/ think I need to show it to the GP to check its ok.

Sorry to hear that lots of viroids are having a rough time at the moment. Sadly, I am in that club too, as baby D just doesn't sleep. I thought I was being dramatic, so I kept a diary of when she slept and for how long. I've kept it for over a fortnight now, and bring charitable in adding together the 15 min cat naps, she averages 10 hours a day. And I mean 10 hours in every 24, not during the daytime ..she barely sleeps during the day and can easily go 12 hours with only a couple of mini naps of say an hour in total! She is a bit better at night, and usually has a 3 - 4 hour stretch from midnight, but that's about as good as it gets.
She's got awful wind all the time, together with mainly silent reflux but occasional projectile vomiting. We're going to have a posterior tongue tie snip on Monday and I'm praying that it will make a real difference to her.
I'm hoping that it will mean she feeds less windily with a better latch And then the whole digestion thing will help - and that less pain will make her sleep more.
If I'm delusional on that front and little changes, I don't know where we'll go from there,
Here's hoping that viroid luck for us all changes soon!

Leaking isn't good toast,get to the doctors! purple had leaking and needed medical attention.

purple, I still am numb on the left, above my scar. When I mentioned at the 6 week check she said if might never come back so I've just come to accept it. I can feel pressure but not the touch on the surface.

Have you and MrP not been out together at all since Jan popz?

Sounds like no one is getting any sleep in here! Have you got a sleep clinic it anything deeply? I only heard of them recently but apparently there is one here.

Poor baby pixie! Hope you had a better night with the medication kicking in. Didn't realise your two were quite so close together, wow! It will be lovely when they are a bit older though I am sure. Just hard core now!

Hope the banging stopped and didn't wake B la. What a time for DIY! Good work on the chocolate too. My chocolate consumption since birth is shameful. I was always more savoury before but sweet tooth is out of control!

Well done to MrFleur for picking up his game. Sorry S is feeling a bit off though. I think la has had the dribbling and chomping set in and I know we have too. Signs of teething perhaps but can still be months before they get anywhere. Have you had a dig around his mouth?

DH just been shuffling around while I do a night feed and then knocked J's legs so woke him up. Am furious but can't do much now.