December 2012: The one were they are stubborn Monkeys

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New thread for us.

Bwaha! Outwitted the mn gremlin. (I copied my whole post and re pasted it when it died. Ha.)

owww that looks painful Frazzled.

Utopian i am the oldest of 3 girls, my childhood has lots of good memories, but also lots of fights as well. We now all get on great and are very close. Theres 13 months between me and the middle, and 5 years between me and the youngest.

Finished at last. 4 pages of justifying my existence.
I'm the youngest of 3. I think db1 always felt it was hardest for him being oldest, I definitely got a bit of a strop on sometimes about being youngest and not getting to do what they did. Db2 says he really liked bring in the middle and he def didn't/doesn't have any middle child issues. He's naturally the most sociable and confident of us though.
I have in the past felt sorry for dd2 as it did seem for a while it was all about dd1 and school or T being a baby but that's definitely getting less as T gets older and more independent. I do think dd2 benefits though from having dd1 to stretch up to and from T to look after and play with and boss about.
I absolutely believe that birth order affects you but that everything else there are a whole host of other factors at work that combine to make it positive or negative for you.

Eugh can't sleep. Having to do two hourly blood glucose tests next alarm set for 4...

I'm originally the youngest of three until my step mum and my dad had two dc. My mum also had another but we didn't live with her.

I'm the oldest of 3, with 2 younger brothers, and always swore I'd never have 3 children. My DB were closer in age to each other, we were all played off one another, and I have virtually nothing in common with them now. Largely down to my DM though.

beasty

Luckily for me my child hood was nothing like that and whilst I'm not super close to my dbs, we get on well enough. I was v close to db2 growing up and in our teen years, and I feel that we are getting closer again now which I really like.

Me and my sisters argued loads. Now, although we all live miles apart, I'm close to both of them.

It's my birthday today. I hate birthdays.

Happy Birthday Spotty, i hope its not to bad for you if you hate them.

I am the sad forgotten middle child.

I have three brothers. Oldest is 9 years older.
Special PFB, can't really begrudge him that for many reasons.
Next is 18 months older - bad childhood asthma in and out of hospital and needed lots of extra parent time.
Younger brother unexpected unplanned whoops. Very loved by all.

I think being the only girl was also a huge disadvantage. Again for many reasons. My Mum was better at boys and my dad is just rubbish so... Well that's a short version.

But I think three is good because you have a peace keeper, usually one will fall out with one other so there is someone who can help with a middle ground mediation.
But nothing splits easily three ways.

I don't know. I think that if someone could give me a 1 yo child and I didn't have to do the pregnancy or newborn bit I'd prefer that I haven't made my mind up. I haven't spoken to DH about it for a while. I would imagine he is still set on just two.

This weekend has seen some better sleeps. But DS is still getting up between 5 and 6. Which is not easy. DD has started sleeping longer, until about 6:45. I guess because we take DS downstairs.

And happy birthday Spotty!
I know that feeling about birthdays.

But, I'm trying to change my mind on birthdays and be glad that I have it and can enjoy it and look forward to a new year.

Happy birthday spotty. I hope something nice happens for you.
nutella it's funny how different all our experiences can be. I never found being the only girl a problem. Oldest db never made any concessions for me but was generally a bit of a git for most of our childhoods. Db2 and I were v close and spent a lot of time just mucking about in a gender neutral way - I was quite tomboyish and he is gay so maybe we just met in the middle!

Hope you have the best day you can manage Spotty

Dh is one of 3 they get on fine and are very close as adults. Dad is one of 3 they were constantly set up as rivals (2 older boys, much younger girl) and he still in his 60s feels his younger brother pushed him out of the cot, pram etc. Younger brother has never been forgiven for being a boy and not the much longer for girl to make up the perfect family. So I think a lot of it is parenting.

Two will do us fine though.

Honestly I don't believe that whether you had a good childhood or not is related to whether you had 1,2 or 3 siblings. I think there's lots of factors at play, most importantly paternal and personalities. I know people from classic middle class 2.5 kids families who have very disfunctional family relationships and some who have wonderful ones.

WL I totally agree. It isn't about siblings really. There could be 8, 3 or 2 everyone has their own experience because we're all different

I remember lots of good times with my brothers. As grown-ups little bro and I are close. Older two are close ish.
A lot of it comes down to parenting. It's nature versus nurture of course. DH was supposed to be a girl (after two high risk pregnancies and an 8 year gap it always seemed obvious to me that he should have been a girl) MIL admitted it sort of a couple of months ago. DH doesn't care of course. He was always the happy baby of the family.

Yes, I think it's more down to parenting than how many children you have. There are lots of factors which contribute to our having nothing in common. Schooling, interests, the fact I'd just about left home when our DM died and my DB were at home and forged a new & different relationship with DDad.

Don't let my experience put you off!!

frazzled for your sniffy tantrum lady - dd2 (5) just threw a wobbler because 'she has never ever done knitting in her whole life'! Life's pretty tough on this 'hood.

Love it wl!

One of our friends who has a newborn saidrrecently he lies awake worrying their sofa isn't comfy enough.

Thanks for all the replies - I think it's probably all nurture, but need to keep thinking about it. We have a stab at a house in much the same area as us (if anything, slightly naicer,) which would be better space wise, still lovely victorian and we can actually afford as it's in a hell of a state, which is what we always buy. The thing is our absolute immediate neighbours are all lovely, and it would be affordable but only just. Going to see it this sat. Argh! (More first world problems I know.)

Ha people launched in and gave her what's what on Saturday WL.

J is much better today. He was seriously dehydrated this morning (see photo). Now he's bouncing off the walls as he was too tired and my mum had to let him nap. Late bedtime for us again I fear!

Hope its not too late for you Frazzled.

FX for the house for you Utopian.

WL, that sounds so cute. H has started saying 'i'm getting angry now' then usually the rage begins

frazzled in glad he's feeling a bit better. Hopefully he'll still be knackered so you'll get some sleep!

Nah just drove him round for over an hour. Fell asleep at 10:45. Bed time. Night all

Ds says 'me not grumpy AT ALL!' With a big frown on his face

I have had four decent nights sleep (6hours long solid sleep!) this morning I woke up at 5:15 expecting DS to be getting up any second.... I think I dozed a bit more. He came to see me at 6:15 to tell me he had done a poo poo. so my day started with a lovely "present" from DS as he has taken to calling it.... Nice.

frazzled hope you got a decent nights rest in the end.

Great sleep Nutella!

It's dds birthday tomorrow. She gets to wear her own clothes to school