Elderberries no 2 - all old and new berry babies welcome!

[HazleNutt]

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S seems to get on well with her morning nap (9am) at the moment. She has near enough bang on 45 mins naturally. Naps later in the day seem to vary. I think GF says aim for a two hour long nap midday as a general rule doesn't she? And then only a tiny nap later in the afternoon if necessary around S's age?

lol over there they use glycerin suppositories, they work like a charm. Go to a pharmacy and ask for supositorios de glicerina.

V made up his own routine and we just followed the signs, but it looks like he's broken again. He used to be so easy to put to bed, around 8 o'clock he started rubbing his eyes, put him down and he's asleep without a grumble. But last night again - obviously tired and sleepy, but will not fall asleep, took us 1,5 hours to get him down. I'm not amused.

Hazle - that's what L is like, an hour or two of screaming to get her to sleep every night. It is exhausting, I end up having to gently restrain her while she screams and kicks until she finally falls asleep in my arms.

Have you both tried a dummy? I know I said I'm worried about relying on one BUT it does work a treat to get her off to sleep. She didn't hold it in her mouth well at first but has got better at using it over time.

We had another night of crap sleep. She's basically only sleeping really lightly, constantly fidgeting and waking herself up, and only really sleeping when she's nestled up against me, which I keep giving in to for the sake of peace but it means I wake up terribly achy from contorting my shoulder to sleep around her. Please tell me this is a phase which won't last long? I am getting pretty zombified in the daytime.

I'm also a bit concerned about her clinginess. Until recently DP or even my dad could put her to bed by feeding her to sleep with a bottle. This now isn't working and DP has had to endure a lot of crying on the nights he's tried. Last night at bed time she cried every time I left the room even though DP was there and Id just fed her. I'm quite worried as I've got a lot of working days and nights over the next few weeks and have made my childcare arrangements based on her being easier to settle. It's going to be really stressful working with her screaming somewhere.

I've tried, but V firmly refuses dummy, always has.

Oh Lol poor little L. Hope she gets sorted soon. It's awful watching them suffer. Plenty of water seems to do the trick here.

Quod I would say it's just a phase. E has been like that at times (and is like that at the moment - will only settle with boob and not at all for DH) and had reverted back to normal (if there is such at thing with babies) after a week or so.

Tally I think babies are generally around 3 months before their circadian rhythms develop properly so not much point trying to implement a routine before then, and then after that I think it's trial and error. Some of us have babies who respond really well to routines and others not at all. Personally I have one of the latter and trying to force her to sleep and eat at times to suit me would just lead to misery so we just followed her lead by responding to tired and hungry signs. By 5-6 months a little baby-led routine had developed on its own but it's still flexible and I don't worry if she is early or late for a nap. Don't sweat it, you will find something that works for you One thing I will say though is to ignore these self-professed baby sleep 'experts' who tell you that your baby will sleep 7-7 every night if you follow their advice. Research shows that babies don't sleep for 12 hours at night until they are much older so the earlier you decide bedtime will be, the earlier you will be getting up the next morning. At 3 months if you put an average-sleeping baby to bed at 7pm then they will get up for the day at 5am.

Evidence-based baby sleep chart. And the research-based ISIS site is very useful

Hazle and Lilly it is definitely not a coincidence that all three of our little cherubs are fighting bedtime at the moment is it? The fact that yours are doing it as well gives me some comfort that it is a phase that will pass. I have now given up trying to put her down for daytime naps as it just doesn't happen and have reverted back to walking her around in the pushchair to get her off and it still takes her absolutely ages to nod off. Very frustrating for me but a popular move with the dog. Janey it sounds like M loves his sleep too much nowadays to join in on the party

Alex I hate to scare monger but E has always reliably gone to sleep with a dummy but is now point blank refusing to take it.

Not to steal your advice janey but M sometimes goes down well for daytime naps in his ergo carrier, doesn't he? Just in case you get bored of pushing the pram cav and want some variety!

Yawn, very tired as I've been drinking sangria in the sun with my NCT lot. S decided she wanted to join in with the chatting and kept doing little screams and looking very pleased with herself, so cute.

Oh and not being able to rely on a dummy would be a tragedy over here cav eek!

She went down in her cot for her second nap today so maybe there is some of coming out the other side of it. Yeah, the sudden dummy situation is not great, in fact she won't currently settle without boob which is really massively very far from great! She usually settles just fine for DH and without boob so I have everything crossed that it's just a phase.

I wish I had been drinking sangria in the sun all day.

*some hope

L has never taken a dummy unless another baby has it and she decides to snatch it
I'm pleased to say that after a day of loads of water and orange juice L has done a very smelly poo so I didn't have to resort to the bum pills!
Will do same again tomorrow as I'm convinced there's a backlog to come but at least I'm pleased some of it is out!

Lol I was reading something earlier about acupressure massage in desperation to get E to sleep better and it said to massage a few hundred reps in clockwise direction around the belly button to relieve constipation and then do a daily massage of 50 reps in both directions daily to maintain good digestive health.

I think someone has switched my baby. He always used to struggle with naps, some days didn't sleep at all, but went to bed in the evening without a complaint. But now will happily have 2 long naps every day, falls asleep in minutes - but last night again it took 2 hours to get him down for the night.

I'm not really sure what to do, the shushing and patting and picking up does not seem to help at all, quite the opposite. He does not scream, but it's more than a sleepy moan, so not sure if I should just leave him?

I don't really know hazle! It must e extra rough with you being at work. If it's just a moan maybe leave him for a bit and see what happens?
I think L had a proper episode of night terror yesterday. Would not stop screaming even when cuddled by me. It was heart wrenching

Oh poor L! That must be horrible for both of you.

Hazle is he showing his usual tired signs or is he wide awake? Over the last few weeks while we have been battling with E, we tried putting her to bed at her usual 8pm bedtime and it resulted in varying amounts of time spent trying to get her to sleep to no avail (one night it was 11.45pm ), so we have given up and now wait until she is definitely tired and grumpy and get her in bed at whatever time that ends up being. Last night that was 9pm. If she is still asleep on her second nap at 4.30pm I wake her up in the hope that she will be tired for the night earlier. I am hoping it's just a phase

Lol poor L.

Definite tired signs, rubbing eyes and all. We've never done bedtime without that. He has been having some long and late naps during the day, but I'm not sure we should be waking him up, as he does still get tired by 8-8.30. I wouldn't mind keeping him up later, as long as he wanted, but he gets so tired and grumpy. But when put to bed, still won't sleep.

I keep telling him that it's lucky he's so cute, otherwise we would have to ask to get a replacement unit, as this one is apparently broken..

Hello, sorry for everybody having hellish sleep. I won't mention the 9 hours I got last night again in case you hunt me down

Anyway, question (as always) when did your periods return? This may sound stupid but as I was tootling down the a3 today in light coloured trousers I suddenly wondered if I should perhaps be more prepared

Interesting you ask, mine arrived today, V is 10 months old.

Merk mine arrived with full force at 7 weeks postpartum, much heavier than normal. Was EBFing and damn lochia had only just properly stopped

Hazle mine is also broken.

Cav that was what I was worried about!

I've heard it's really unusual to get AF while bf? Maybe it's not that unusual then? I was lucky if I got a couple of AFs a year whilst ttc so mine will prob be back by around 2020!

Merk I think it's more the norm to not have periods while BFing, but a few of us on here have had them so maybe not as unusual as you would think.

ooh, I don't want to jinx it but I realised that bad night sleeping started after he started napping longer. So thought that maybe his afternoon nap was too long and he simply wasn't sleepy enough in the evenings yet (even though he showed the signs).
Got him up after an hour this afternoon, and at 8.30, he went down without any complaints and is still asleep (almost 11 here). Fx that this was the problem.