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October 2012... PELVIC FLOORS!

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Londonmrss · 13/02/2013 16:47

Ready...
Steady...
And squeeze!

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crazypaving · 19/02/2013 14:34

anyone know if it's unusual for ds2's ears to be producing loads of wax? Confused no fever or cold, just loads of yellow wax! yuck

huffle we're getting 3hr blocks too, sometimes 2. massive yawn. I have a permanent headache. you have my sympathies!

londonlivvy · 19/02/2013 14:45

So glad you're getting help turnwest and that you're sticking around here too. We all go through rough patches and you love ly mumsnet ladies have cheered me up no end.

Dd is v snotty and miserable today. Boo. And a 20 min farting screamathon, followed by poo, I assume means her tum was sore, and not v happy about the 2oz of formula in 5oz that I gave her this morning. Maternal guilt, right there. Sigh.

squidkid · 19/02/2013 15:20

Very glad to hear from you turnwest. Sunshine and mother in law is good... and I really hope the doctor is kind and helpful. Depression is incredibly hard - depression with a baby even more so. Keep in touch.

Baby sensory was not quite as ridiculous today, lots of coloured balloons. The glam brigade were out in force (they are perfectly nice girls, I just have nothing in common with them!!) chatting about where they get their nails done and so on. But I spoke to a nice girl with a 12 week old who recognised me from pregnancy yoga and another quiet but interesting girl who is a student who had a surprise pregnancy. She said she was planning to wait 10 years for the next one! I like her actually and she is studying nutrition and going back in September and I chatted about my job a bit and I look forward to seeing her again next week. Man, this is like school.

Jess remains the best baby ever - insisting on standing up throughout (with my fingers for balance) "chatting" loudly at the woman running the class for the best part of 10 minutes, everyone was giggling

Then I got home and realised I had forgotten to take Jess for her jabs yesterday. Bad mum!!! I grovelled to the receptionist at the surgery who told me I'd have to wait a month. I had already moved them back 2 weeks to hang out with my mates and eat cake a couple of weeks ago. Bad bad bad mum!! So I pleaded to speak to the nurse and she is fitting me in at 5. I will have my apologetic face on....

Smorgs · 19/02/2013 15:25

Oh God, I've just received the most heartbreaking email from one of my friends. I knew they were trying to get pregnant the same time as us, but as I hadn't heard anything, I assumed things weren't going to plan and didn't want to get in touch for fear of 'rubbing it in'. Anyway, it turns out she was pregnant but a scan picked up that the baby had a rare condition called Posterior Urethra Valve. There was a high chance he wouldn't survive the pregnancy and even if he did, was very likely to have renal failure and need a transplant. So they had a termination last week. I don't know how far gone she was, but it was at least 4 months. I can't imagine what they are going through. I am struggling to know what to say to her. What would you say?

FirstTimeForEverything · 19/02/2013 16:03

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BoraBora · 19/02/2013 16:20

So much sadness on this thread lately. Good wishes to all those that need them.

turnwest thank you for coming back. It takes bravery to admit when things are hard. It's important to keep talking, even when you want to withdraw. Very well done for deciding to see the GP. I hope he or she is useful. If not, come back and tell us and we'll help you form a plan B.

On the subject of getting lost; I disappeared in a department store for about an hour when I was three.. When they found me I was naked. When they asked me what happened I told them that I'd taken off all of my clothes because I was too hot. Can't fault the logic...

Smorgs · 19/02/2013 16:22

That's sad too firsttime, but nice she is pregnant again.

I am just so crap at giving advice for friends, I always seem to say the wrong thing. I've written to her saying I think she did the right thing, the kindest thing and that they will make wonderful parents one day. I just couldn't think what else to say?

squidkid · 19/02/2013 16:27

smorgs it's just good of you to say something. You can't make it better, but people are often silent when faced with others' pain and that can make it so isolating. So good of you to write something nice, even though it is useless.

I am having the same trouble trying to work out what to write to this friend of my mum's who's lost her daughter. But i guess it's just important to write, something.

FirstTimeForEverything · 19/02/2013 16:30

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Smorgs · 19/02/2013 17:18

I cant imagine what your mums friend is going through squid. Losing a child is everyone's worst nightmare.

Olivess · 19/02/2013 17:37

smorgs I had a miscarriage last christmas. It was a missed miscarriage and quite early so nothing like losing a baby post 4 months. However we had been trying for over 2 years so it hit me hard. It was interesting to see other people's responses. Some people were great, called me, asked about it head on which I far preferred to the people that didn't say anything out of awkwardness. I was quite disappointed with my best friend who I met to go shopping with afterwards and she didn't ask me how I was until we had been out for about 2 hours. I think she just didn't want me to get upset but still... The only person that sent a card was my boss who just sent a card saying 'thinking of you'. I was very touched. What I am waffling about is that I don't think it matters too much what you say it's just important to acknowledge it and say something. After that experience I made a decision to send cards/letters more in the future....

Olivess · 19/02/2013 17:41

In fact the worst was going to PIL house on Boxing Day (I had the ERPC on the 23rd dec). Not one member of his family asked me how I felt, if I was ok etc... They just carried on as normal, drinking, playing games etc whilst I sat there with tears in my eyes. I couldn't even drink because I was on strong antibiotics.

squidkid · 19/02/2013 17:54

Poor Olivess - it's awful when people say nothing. Not comparable, but I had 6 weeks off med school with depression in my final year and some of my friends just - didn't say anything. Some did a year later, that they felt bad they never said anything but they didn't know what to say. But something is always better than nothing, I think. Whne you feel so terrible already.
I am so glad you have a baby now. I hope you feel ok about it now, that it's behind you.

First that is just awful, no words can touch that. I cannot imagine, I am so sorry. I hope you are, I don't know what the phrase is, at peace with it. The fact of it. Even though the sadness will never go.

OH god, this thread has been very sad of late...

At least Jess is laughing, half an hour after being jabbed. Her melting face 2 seconds after the needle goes in!!

squidkid · 19/02/2013 17:57

Oh and I was exaggerating a bit about getting lost in Kathmandu. It was all day, but probably not 24 hours. A nice Nepali woman helped me find my parents in the end, I couldn't remember the address, she probably called the police I guess. Nepalis don't do anything in any rush though. I remember she bought me ice cream so I was perfectly happy and in no rush to find them either.

A few years ago my mum said very offhand she was convinced I'd be sex-trafficked - lovely

Olivess · 19/02/2013 18:02

Thanks squid. I feel totally ok about it now especially now we have a gorgeous baby. Funnily enough I got pregnant straight after the miscarriage with no period in between. Actually I've just worked out the dates and it was a year ago today that I got the positive. What a year!

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Beccus · 19/02/2013 18:39

smorgs, that sounds lovely. so ladies, get this. i was in a pub this morning in central london with my mum & dd. we ordered a coffee, paid at the bar & after we had finished, i woke dd up to feed her. as i was adjusting my clothes, the barchick came up to me & asked i feed her in the toilet! i refused, told her i was legally entitled to feed her wherever i wanted and asked she find somewhere more acceptable for me to feed her if there was a problem with me feeding her where we were. she opened up the upstairs bit for us. i got her name after i fed dd. she said her managers ask her to request customers breast feed in the toilet 'as people are eating'. so, i got the managers names, too. i am going to write a formal complaint. of course i want to name & shame all over fb, mnet, twitter etc, but am worried i might get myself into slander trouble. cannot believe this happened in this day & age. what would u guys do if this happened to u?

squidkid · 19/02/2013 19:05

Beccus I am a bit shocked, I always thought people were exaggerating about having trouble bf in public.

Is it a chain place or an individual.

I would write a formal complaint and I think you can name and shame if you wish to, it is not slander as it is true. I think it's important for us to do things like this to help other women who are not as confident about bf in public and would just go and sit in the toilet. (The toilet!!)

bella2012 · 19/02/2013 19:22

Beccus that is outrageous! How dare they?! God I would have been so upset, I would have left but that would have taught them nothing! Yes, do write, complain to anyone who will listen. This makes me so so angry. Bf is such fucking hard work imh and we have got nobber hv's and nobber dh's pressuring us to do it then nobber restaurants giving us grief for doing it! (sorry- I get more radgy when tired!)

First, squid and smiths, all your stories are so sad. I absolutely marvel at what human beings can cope with when they have to. My friends dad just killed himself on a second attempt, she found him, he had been having an affair, she is getting married on April, he did it in their beautiful family home which they now have to sell along with their family business. Any one of those things sounds unbearable to me and yet somehow, she is carrying on and coping (in a fashion) Unbelievable.

Turnwest- I am so happy that you have posted again. I read your first post this arvo and have read the rest as fast as I could, hoping that you would listen to our amazing tribal sisters and keep talking to us. You are most definitely not a bad mum or a terrible person, you just need some help as all of us do from time to time. I am a mum of two and it id hard bloody work! When the baby cries my 3 year old often wants a piece of the action and starts bawling too. This happened today on a train platform and I considered joining them for a good cry! Seriously, you are not alone. I love this thread for the fact that whatever you are feeling or going through, someone on here is too. Big love to you.

smileyhappymummy · 19/02/2013 19:33

beccus that is appalling! Agree that you can say what you like about them and if it's true it can't be slander afaik.
Thoughts for all those dealing with such sadness tonight...makes me remember again how lucky I am.
Well, today went ok. I learnt that I can prop both bits of the breast pump against my boobs with one arm whilst using the other to type up consultation notes. Baby still sniffly but getting better I think. And daddy got pooed on twice. Made me laugh!

Londonmrss · 19/02/2013 19:35

beccus that is absolutely outrageous. People are eating???!!! What did she think your baby was doing??? I'm not one for making a big deal out of public bfing for the sake of it, but I get annoyed if someone seems to have a problem with it. I was feeding in a museum the other day and some woman told her children not to look- but not to give me some privacy, more like 'Cover your eyes children, three is something disgusting happening.' I actually think it's the kind of thing that children should see- that their bodily functions are natural Anna beautiful and breasts are not something to be ashamed of but merely there for a mother to feed her baby and for her partner's pleasure.

I would name and shame all the way. The journalists on here will be able to tell you more about defamation law, but I think as it's true, it's a fair comment defence.

smorgs your response was lovely. Your poor friend, that's awful. My best friend had a miscarriage when I was pregnant (she's been trying for years, lots of issues) and understandably she found it difficult to be around me. I just kept letting her know I was thinking her and not expecting a reply til she was ready. She's now dd's 'god'mother (we're atheists).

First that must have been so hard- how awful.

Thank you those who have asked, unpacking is going well. I love our new house but feel very disoriented and odd to be somewhere out of London. I don't understand a world without oyster cards! How do I get on a bus? I need to walk around a bit and go into the city centre which is about a half hour walk to remind myself that I'm not in the middle of nowhere. On the upside people are friendlier here so it reminds me of where I grew up in Yorkshire. DH has gone away to Germany for work for the next 2 weeks so I feel quite lonely in this big house in this strange city Sad . It's also odd having this much space. I feel quite paranoid when she's downstairs and I'm upstairs because I'm not used to her being so far away.

Now I'm going to have a gin and tonic in the bath. Smile Smile

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bella2012 · 19/02/2013 19:38

On a more cheerful note, can I quickly share something nice that happened to me last weekend? Two of my best girlfriends traveled up to stay for the weekend to celebrate my birthday (I am 30 on Thur-eek!) my lovely dh cooked a delicious meal for us all on Friday and he and my son had put up balloons and banners all over the kitchen and as we sat down, in walked my absolute best friend who had flown all the way from new York to see us for the weekend! I just cried and cried it was such a surprise! We had an amazing spa day and a lot of cocktails and my dh did a lot of looking after the boys which was great. The only negative was that he hurt his shoulder playing rugby so didn't do the sat night night feeds so I had to fix bottles and feed feeling v. Hungover! A year off the booze and a mojito-fest is not a good combo! I would absolutely kill for one night of sleep after all this time- I bet you all feel the same. I know what you mean about the permanent headache crazy

Hope you get a nice night out this week angelico!

Squid- glad jess is ok after her jabs.

Elpis- don't be defensive about the drink thing. We know you.only meant a scrinch (scrinch is geordie slang for a wee bit) and I think that is good advice. It is the little rewards that get me through!

bella2012 · 19/02/2013 19:45

Ah londonmrs glad your move went ok. Must be a very strange time and so hard to find time to unpack?! Have you decided on your new name? What is your new area?
Can't believe I have caught up AND posted three times! I will celebrate this victory and ignore the fact that the whole living room floor is covered in toys and that the dishes from dinner are still on the table. Sigh.

Shellwedance · 19/02/2013 19:45

Beccus I also agree that there is nothing wrong with naming. I'd much rather know so I could avoid.

I also had a missed miscarriage before DD. I agree that saying something is better than nothing. I actually got the most support on here and I have a 'gang' of friends on here who all went onto have babies so it might be worth suggesting here Smorgs.

I got lost on the way back from a park (a 2 minute walk) when I was 5. A lorry driver picked me up and he had a load of baby chickens in the back of his truck... It's amazing that I got back home safely!

I don't post here enough but I lurk lots and it's amazing how supportive the thread is.

Turn Thinking of you and hope things look a bit better.