Labour

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

No questions the Tories were bad, but Labour are on another level.

Are you still happy you voted them in? Be honest now, you are having your doubts aren’t you?

If not, you really should be.

But other schools don't pay VAT?

Or are you suggesting that every business providing any type of service should all attach 20% VAT to its charges?

£250k over 3 years = £83k per year. When the junior Dr is earning how much? £40-50k doing how many hours per week? How many rotations in different hospitals?

Yes, I'd say that was fair actually.

Other schools aren't businesses. Kind of the point really

Most businesses do have to attach 20% VAT to their services, once they are over a certain threshold. The fact private schools don't is a loophole and I think its right Labour are closing it.

What was the old saying about the magic money tree?

Junior doc's aren't going to be leaving the NHS with so little experience, same with nurses and other HCP's, Australia etc want the best qualified and those with a good level of experience.

Stipulating min terms for HCPs, whilst at the same time charging them anywhere between 50 and 125k to qualify is somewhat bizarre & would lead to students going to do other subjects or even going abroad to study.

We would also have to find the money for many years of free tuition before seeing any return on retention.... MagicMoney Tree indeed!!!

Allowing free tuition in return for say 7 years work in the NHS would lead to whole load of other issues, life gets in the way of the best intentions, would you seriously want, say a nurse who totally hates her job to be forced to stay in the NHS? what about those who are poor at their work, commit misconduct, those that become ill, die even, need to stop work to care for a sick child?

Errr, I was quoting you! 😂

What did you mean by "Exempting a business from paying VAT that other businesses pay is absolutely subsidising them."?

I think you're a bit muddled up aren't you?

I don’t think I mentioned nurses - whose training is nowhere near as expensive as doctors’. Junior doctors are absolutely leaving the NHS to emigrate, they’re in demand in Australia, New Zealand and Canada. With the added bonus that, although they’re supposed to repay their student loans, once they’re out of PAYE on the other side of the world, most of them stop.

Not really.

If the exchequer isn't getting VAT from a business due to an exemption the government have put in place, the government are subsidising the business.

I'm not sure what you are finding confusing about it. But here is a useful link:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/subsidy.asp

A subsidy is a benefit given to an individual, business, or institution, usually by the government. It can be direct (such as cash payments) or indirect (such as tax breaks).

Thanks. But I understand tax and subsidies.

Education is/was tax exempt. You haven't been clear as to why you think private schools are/are not a business and why they should not be tax exempt.

At the end of the day you are advocating for damaging education for some children when there are other ways of raising tax receipts. I contend that this is more about wanting to see people wealthier than you (including children) feel some pain/suffering/struggle/difficulty than it is about the wisdom of the economics of the decision or the value of the tax it will raise.

@soccermum41
’At the end of the day you are advocating for damaging education for some children when there are other ways of raising tax receipts. I contend that this is more about wanting to see people wealthier than you (including children) feel some pain/suffering/struggle/difficulty than it is about the wisdom of the economics of the decision or the value of the tax it will raise’

💯 Well said.

Junior Doc's may have years of experience and be in their 40s or even 50s.

The NHS needs a whole range of staff, not just Doctors, Docs cant work without OT's Physio's Radiographers and specialists inc nurses take years to train.
There are agreements with other countries to reclaim monies owed inc Aus, if the Student Loans Company isn't doing their job, thats down to them

No one should be made to work for x number of years, even the army allows people to leave early for a modest fee.

I have just had a brainwave!

The “taxpayer” is subsidising me! I am only working 60 per cent at the moment. S/he is subsiding the 40 per cent! Damn it - that’s a ton of extra tax they are subsidising. Better force me to work more and ban MNetting!

“With the added bonus that, although they’re supposed to repay their student loans, once they’re out of PAYE on the other side of the world, most of them stop.”

Well if there is a better option for clever people internationally they take it! So you have to pay their international market value in the first place. Given the sunk cost investment, it is well worth it, plus improving the working conditions.

It’s another reason the private school VAT pet project will fail- clever rich people always adapt their behaviour. But go ahead and throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Junior Doc's may have years of experience and be in their 40s or even 50s.

Make up your mind, earlier you said Junior doc's aren't going to be leaving the NHS with so little experience. Which is it? It can’t be both.

Private schools are a business because they provide a service (education) in exchange for money (fees).

They should not be VAT exempt because they provide a luxury service that's already available through the state.

Market forces suggest if parents can't afford the VAT schools should reduce their fees or go bust

The government should not be propping private education up. Especially when the government is out of £

With prisoners being released?

It's absolutely sick and dangerous IMO. Makes a complete mockery of the police work and the time of the courts, jurors, judges etc. Not to mention the impact on the victims! Domestic abusers and drug dealers back on the streets without serving their sentences. I am astonished anyone is happy with this, regardless of their politics.

People going private are saving the taxpayer money by not using those public services. Lots of other countries actually give tax breaks to encourage it! But that doesn’t fit with the uks politics of envy!

So you don’t think dental costs, eye tests, glasses, medicines, etc should be vat free either, because they’re also being provided by businesses for a profit?? Strange viewpoint.

What? Do you even know what a Jun Doc is/does?

You earlier suggested they leave immediately after training, they don't & the vast majority stay in the UK.

Here's a crazy thought - Why not make terms and conditions in the UK so good that people want to stay? instead of forcing them to stay in the NHS, where they would almost certainly leave as soon as they could.

You could do but tbf there is not really a free state alternative to these is there?
Ophthalmics (in the community) was never included in the set up of the NHS (other than for a very basic service) and Dental care, whether by accident or design, has gone the same way.

Where as with schooling there is, 93% use state education most with great success.

Kind of weird that you don't understand that sentence. It makes clear sense.

That is what Labour are saying they will do.

However, the proof will be in the pudding.

I suspect the food lobby will water down any measures to be meaningless.

We don't have to give in to our kids and queue for ages to get a Macd today but many will.