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Money is pouring in for Kamala Harris as U.S. presidential candidate

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MsAmerica · 24/07/2024 01:34

And I confess myself very surprised.

Kamala Harris' fundraising reaches a record-breaking $100 million since Biden's exit
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/23/fundraising-for-kamala-harris-tops-100-million-shattering-records/74509043007/

Historic flood of cash pours into Harris campaign and allied groups
www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/historic-flood-of-cash-pours-into-harris-campaign-and-allied-groups/ar-BB1qvtCj?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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duckfordinner · 04/08/2024 10:08

thebaloneywar · 24/07/2024 16:11

I have been surprised by both Biden and Kamala in the last four years, I am not sure that Kamala would do any differently from Biden in reality, if she were elected.

As a lighthearted aside, Kamala has said hundreds of times and in relation to every topic "passage of time" and has laughed loudly more than given impressive answers in the last 4 years. I have seen her debate some issues well before her term as vp, and so I am guessing how she has been for 4 years reflects that she is stoically following a party line. Which makes it difficult to predict how she would actually lead.

I imagine those here who are supporting her and slating Trump are doing so because of special interests, ie Trump's position in relation to one or two specific issues. Not about wider issues or knowledge of a wide range of policies. If so what are the specific issues which you think Trump has got wrong?

I really don't think orange skin colour or anything to do with appearance should be relevant.

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I agree with you. However, there is no point voicing your opinion in this echo chamber. Let them soothe each other and bask in their moral superiority.

SheilaFentiman · 04/08/2024 10:49

duckfordinner · 04/08/2024 10:08

I agree with you. However, there is no point voicing your opinion in this echo chamber. Let them soothe each other and bask in their moral superiority.

What, pray, is morally superior about Trump calling Harris a “low IQ” candidate and saying that she is indecisive about her racial heritage? Or Vance implying that childless adults are inferior to parents?

twodowntwotogo · 04/08/2024 12:47

thebaloneywar · 03/08/2024 22:10

@twodowntwotogo I have just skimmed through the thread to make sure my posts were respectful and I saw your later reply to my post, which for some reason I hadn't been notified about. My view hasn't really changed, but I thought I would clarify that I hadn't seen it, but have now seen it. I still find it very subjective, which is not a problem, but there isn't much to reply to.
I saw an awful lot of posters being very personal unnecessarily throughout the thread.

Your view hasn't changed about what? You specifically said I was writing about 'anodine topics' and I answered that.
Tell me what exactly is 'very subjective'?
You also said British people explain their intended vote more clearly and succinctly than people on this thread and I explained my reasoning.

Here it is again
I don't agree with Trump's policies on all key issues including the environment, education, the arts, the economy and foreign policy. I think they're radically unjust and will cause suffering and deprivation of rights for most American citizens and endanger the world. Furthermore, I think the leader of a country should have an admirable character and I find him to be a very poor role model due to his obnoxiousness and self-centredness amongst other things. In general, I wouldn't vote for Republicans as they have nominated as their representative someone who encouraged a violent insurrection and threatened democracy, the political system I believe in.

twodowntwotogo · 04/08/2024 12:47

duckfordinner · 04/08/2024 10:08

I agree with you. However, there is no point voicing your opinion in this echo chamber. Let them soothe each other and bask in their moral superiority.

Do you think morality has any place in politics? Do you think believing Trump is immoral might be a motivating factor for voters?

Emmanuelll · 04/08/2024 14:59

Trump supporters live in a world of cognitive dissonance and double think. Most of them started off as Covid deniers and then never really climbed down from it.

DefyingGravitas · 04/08/2024 18:36

duckfordinner · 04/08/2024 10:08

I agree with you. However, there is no point voicing your opinion in this echo chamber. Let them soothe each other and bask in their moral superiority.

I respectfully asked for their opinions on what they thought Trump had done well in the past and could offer in the future.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 06:45

MsAmerica · 24/07/2024 01:34

And I confess myself very surprised.

Kamala Harris' fundraising reaches a record-breaking $100 million since Biden's exit
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/23/fundraising-for-kamala-harris-tops-100-million-shattering-records/74509043007/

Historic flood of cash pours into Harris campaign and allied groups
www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/historic-flood-of-cash-pours-into-harris-campaign-and-allied-groups/ar-BB1qvtCj?ocid=BingNewsSerp

You do understand that actblue is being investigated for fraud right?

SheilaFentiman · 23/08/2024 07:04

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 06:45

You do understand that actblue is being investigated for fraud right?

You do understand every damn crime Trump is being investigated for, right?

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 07:08

SheilaFentiman · 23/08/2024 07:04

You do understand every damn crime Trump is being investigated for, right?

Have you read about who is using actblue fraudulently?

PS - You should read my other posts about Trump before you try to put me in that box. 😉

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 07:24

SheilaFentiman · 23/08/2024 07:04

You do understand every damn crime Trump is being investigated for, right?

Look, I enjoy a good back and forth, but let's not be disrespectful. Obviously, you and I have different views politically, but I'm not going to come in here and use profanity or insult you... Regardless of what we agree or disagree on. Though I think you'll find we both have a strong distaste for Trump. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't still be curious about whether something is right or wrong. You are too smart to let politicians or the media use your emotions to define morality for you. 😉

Lovelysummerdays · 23/08/2024 07:29

Moonshiners · 24/07/2024 07:54

Thank god. Some sanity.
I keep hoping he has a non life threatening, temporarily debilitating illness that means he can't speak or type for 4 months. The racist, sexist drivel he comes out with is awful

I think it’s better he opens his mouth and keeps drivelling. I’m hoping it puts some fence sitters off. My crowd is bigger than hers and I’m better looking speeches aren’t polling well

SheilaFentiman · 23/08/2024 07:34

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 07:24

Look, I enjoy a good back and forth, but let's not be disrespectful. Obviously, you and I have different views politically, but I'm not going to come in here and use profanity or insult you... Regardless of what we agree or disagree on. Though I think you'll find we both have a strong distaste for Trump. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't still be curious about whether something is right or wrong. You are too smart to let politicians or the media use your emotions to define morality for you. 😉

This is a UK site and we don’t consider “damn” a profanity here. And I certainly haven’t insulted you.

The last sentence of your post is really odd and I conclude I have better things to do than interact with you.

But you have a great day.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 07:40

twodowntwotogo · 04/08/2024 12:47

Do you think morality has any place in politics? Do you think believing Trump is immoral might be a motivating factor for voters?

I would hope so. I'm a conservative guy. I don't like Trump. He's disloyal, a narcissist, immoral. He's a populist whose opinion sways in the wind.

No one is perfect, but boy does it make a difference when the president is someone who values character and is actively working to become a better person.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 07:57

twodowntwotogo · 04/08/2024 12:47

Your view hasn't changed about what? You specifically said I was writing about 'anodine topics' and I answered that.
Tell me what exactly is 'very subjective'?
You also said British people explain their intended vote more clearly and succinctly than people on this thread and I explained my reasoning.

Here it is again
I don't agree with Trump's policies on all key issues including the environment, education, the arts, the economy and foreign policy. I think they're radically unjust and will cause suffering and deprivation of rights for most American citizens and endanger the world. Furthermore, I think the leader of a country should have an admirable character and I find him to be a very poor role model due to his obnoxiousness and self-centredness amongst other things. In general, I wouldn't vote for Republicans as they have nominated as their representative someone who encouraged a violent insurrection and threatened democracy, the political system I believe in.

Let me start by saying I agree with you about Trump's demeanor and character. He shouldn't be President, but neither should Harris. From a policy standpoint, I basically disagree with everything she's communicated in the past. She's currently trying to play the role of centrist to get elected. Which is obviously false to anyone who paid attention during the primaries in 2020.

You're probably thinking Anthony among the lines of, you guys vote for one of them... And I think that's a fallacy. You vote for something. If you went to a restaurant, and they offered you the option between trash or roadkill, you'd probably go to a different restaurant. Well, what if there's only two restaurants and they're both owned by the same person(s). In that situation, personally, I wouldn't eat. I would go home and cook a meal for myself. My point being don't spend your political currency (no matter how small it may seem) on a bad products.

If you're one of the 30% of the US that thinks we're "headed in the right direction" forgive me if I insulted you. If not, be choosy. Convince other people to do the same. Demand more of the people who want to run our nation. In time we will see good leadership return of enough of US do that.

Be blessed my friend. 😉

Igotjelly · 23/08/2024 08:05

Reproductive freedom, and the right to choose, is probably one of the most fundamental rights that women should have access to and Kamala stands for protecting those rights. If protecting those rights alone isn't worth coming out to vote for then I don't know what is.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 08:25

Igotjelly · 23/08/2024 08:05

Reproductive freedom, and the right to choose, is probably one of the most fundamental rights that women should have access to and Kamala stands for protecting those rights. If protecting those rights alone isn't worth coming out to vote for then I don't know what is.

How about saving the lives of 65,000,000 unborn children. That's how many have been medically removed though abortion since Roe v Wade. 65,000,000. That's the population of CA and NY (state). Only 1.14% of those were medically necessary.

That also represents nearly 20% of the nation if they were still here. From a practical perspective, that's 64,000,000 more people helping share the cost of health care, social security, taxes, etc.

From a moral perspective, when is too much, too much? Where should the limit be? Is freedom to make this choice really a right?

I can understand how politics has made everyone take a harder stance than what they actually believe is right, because FOMO. But I think most people know in their hearts that when they want to preserve this right for when it's necessary, they didn't think that it would come at the cost of 65,000,000 unborn children....~20% of the nation. Nor would they have supported it if they knew one if the earliest and biggest proponents was someone who admired Hitler.

But here we are. Where do we go next? Are we going to just continue this stare-down while more unnecessary life is lost, or will we come to our senses and agree to put some limits in place to do both? I pray we figure it out soon. And I have faith, that in your heart, you do too.

twodowntwotogo · 23/08/2024 08:29

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 07:57

Let me start by saying I agree with you about Trump's demeanor and character. He shouldn't be President, but neither should Harris. From a policy standpoint, I basically disagree with everything she's communicated in the past. She's currently trying to play the role of centrist to get elected. Which is obviously false to anyone who paid attention during the primaries in 2020.

You're probably thinking Anthony among the lines of, you guys vote for one of them... And I think that's a fallacy. You vote for something. If you went to a restaurant, and they offered you the option between trash or roadkill, you'd probably go to a different restaurant. Well, what if there's only two restaurants and they're both owned by the same person(s). In that situation, personally, I wouldn't eat. I would go home and cook a meal for myself. My point being don't spend your political currency (no matter how small it may seem) on a bad products.

If you're one of the 30% of the US that thinks we're "headed in the right direction" forgive me if I insulted you. If not, be choosy. Convince other people to do the same. Demand more of the people who want to run our nation. In time we will see good leadership return of enough of US do that.

Be blessed my friend. 😉

You're probably thinking Anthony among the lines of, you guys vote for one of them

I have no idea what you're talking about here

KewBridgeSteamMuseum · 23/08/2024 08:35

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 08:25

How about saving the lives of 65,000,000 unborn children. That's how many have been medically removed though abortion since Roe v Wade. 65,000,000. That's the population of CA and NY (state). Only 1.14% of those were medically necessary.

That also represents nearly 20% of the nation if they were still here. From a practical perspective, that's 64,000,000 more people helping share the cost of health care, social security, taxes, etc.

From a moral perspective, when is too much, too much? Where should the limit be? Is freedom to make this choice really a right?

I can understand how politics has made everyone take a harder stance than what they actually believe is right, because FOMO. But I think most people know in their hearts that when they want to preserve this right for when it's necessary, they didn't think that it would come at the cost of 65,000,000 unborn children....~20% of the nation. Nor would they have supported it if they knew one if the earliest and biggest proponents was someone who admired Hitler.

But here we are. Where do we go next? Are we going to just continue this stare-down while more unnecessary life is lost, or will we come to our senses and agree to put some limits in place to do both? I pray we figure it out soon. And I have faith, that in your heart, you do too.

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At best, those would have been unwanted children. The cost of possibly raising them in children homes and dealing with the problems that come with that start in life would have far outweighed any taxes they might have paid.

But of course many of those unwanted pregnancies wouldn't have led to babies, they'd still have ended in abortions, just not safe and legal ones.

If you want to reduce abortions, as I think most people on MN would like to do, you don't ban legal abortions, you campaign for free, accessible LARC, and to protect women from sexual abuse and coercion.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 08:39

twodowntwotogo · 23/08/2024 08:29

You're probably thinking Anthony among the lines of, you guys vote for one of them

I have no idea what you're talking about here

Sorry. Fat fingers. Little phone keyboard. My bad.

Meant to say "you're probably thinking along the lines of, you gotta vote for one of them"

Alexandra2001 · 23/08/2024 08:53

I listened to some of KH's acceptance speak, all i can say is she was inspiring.

Some of the stuff in Project 2025 is very scary and Trump is clearly a very bad loser, who would have taken back the Presidency by force if he could have, he is also likely to tear up article 5, sell & Ukraine down the river

Given the US has their final 2 choices, i hope to god they vote for Harris.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 08:56

KewBridgeSteamMuseum · 23/08/2024 08:35

At best, those would have been unwanted children. The cost of possibly raising them in children homes and dealing with the problems that come with that start in life would have far outweighed any taxes they might have paid.

But of course many of those unwanted pregnancies wouldn't have led to babies, they'd still have ended in abortions, just not safe and legal ones.

If you want to reduce abortions, as I think most people on MN would like to do, you don't ban legal abortions, you campaign for free, accessible LARC, and to protect women from sexual abuse and coercion.

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I think it's a pretty big and negative assumption to basically say they wouldn't amount to much. And I thought I was a pessimist! But there are some studies (albeit political ones) that say it's costing the US economy nearly $7T a year... Which is probably overrated, but at the same time it would still be incredibly significant.

I'm already an advocate for adoption. I have several friends who wouldn't have kids were it not for adoption.

I don't mean this pejoratively, but I think you're missing my point. All those other things exist, and not much of a difference is being made, because of the belief system and proponency surrounding abortion that leaves at risk mothers feeling like there is no other option or abortion is the best option. And that's what really needs to change... But that threatens the abortion industry ($1-2B/yr in the US), and the political parties who have made it a cornerstone of their platforms to sway the vote of women.

So I choose to speak up, hopefully in an approachable and common sense way. There enough division out there every day. And God knows politicians aren't doing anything you help right now, so that means it's up to us to dialogue with others. It's up to me to do what I can. It's up to you too. Cheers. 😉

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 09:05

SheilaFentiman · 23/08/2024 07:34

This is a UK site and we don’t consider “damn” a profanity here. And I certainly haven’t insulted you.

The last sentence of your post is really odd and I conclude I have better things to do than interact with you.

But you have a great day.

Well, you're talking about American politics...so...🤔

And it is still profanity... Mild profanity, but profanity nonetheless.

Is it really odd to think independently? Or is it more of me being too confrontational from a cultural standpoint? I'm genuinely curious... We share the same language, use it quite differently, but in America it's commonplace for us to challenge one another thoughts and beliefs. Hope I didn't offend you with that.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 09:16

Alexandra2001 · 23/08/2024 08:53

I listened to some of KH's acceptance speak, all i can say is she was inspiring.

Some of the stuff in Project 2025 is very scary and Trump is clearly a very bad loser, who would have taken back the Presidency by force if he could have, he is also likely to tear up article 5, sell & Ukraine down the river

Given the US has their final 2 choices, i hope to god they vote for Harris.

Where do you get this stuff from? I'm no Trump fan but any means. But I'm also an advocate for being truthful.

Trump literally denounced project 2025 shortly after it was released. He transitioned the presidency peacefully after a lot of election interference (read up on the PA secretary of state unlawfully changing voting laws, WI voter fraud in retirement communities, the Steele Dossier, laptop from hell)... It's been wild. Is there any election interference like that going on in the UK?

The Jan 6 riot was a definite dark spot, and I expected more out of the president that day. But I also don't support him and won't vote for him. Independent of some of those media narratives, I don't trust him because he's a narcissist, disloyal, and a populist.

MsAmerica · 25/08/2024 03:29

Emmanuelll · 04/08/2024 14:59

Trump supporters live in a world of cognitive dissonance and double think. Most of them started off as Covid deniers and then never really climbed down from it.

Always nice to run across someone noting cognitive dissonance, @Emmanuelll.

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ChimneyPot · 25/08/2024 11:58

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 09:16

Where do you get this stuff from? I'm no Trump fan but any means. But I'm also an advocate for being truthful.

Trump literally denounced project 2025 shortly after it was released. He transitioned the presidency peacefully after a lot of election interference (read up on the PA secretary of state unlawfully changing voting laws, WI voter fraud in retirement communities, the Steele Dossier, laptop from hell)... It's been wild. Is there any election interference like that going on in the UK?

The Jan 6 riot was a definite dark spot, and I expected more out of the president that day. But I also don't support him and won't vote for him. Independent of some of those media narratives, I don't trust him because he's a narcissist, disloyal, and a populist.

As an American woman with a vote to I believe Trumps convenient disavowal of Project 2025? No. He was all for it until he realised it was an electoral liability and I absolutely believe that he and his people will implement it if elected.

Do I believe that he facilitated a peaceful transfer of power? No. I watched January 6th unfold.

Do I believe that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump? No

Do I believe in a woman’s right to chose? Absolutely. I spent my entire reproductive life in a country, Ireland, where abortion was totally illegal and do not want this for my daughters or any woman.

If you want less abortions look at countries that have better sex education, free healthcare, free contraception, better protection against violence for women, better family leave and better family support but stay out of women’s decisions about their own bodies.

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