You should be ashamed of yourself if you vote Tory and…

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Have children educated at state school
Use the NHS for ANY reason
Have children considering going to university
Have elderly parents who will require state support
Use public transport
Are a teacher, health professional, public sector worker
Live in rented accommodation
Are a low paid worker

You are a hypocrite of the highest order

Radishal

But the Labor party values are basically the same socialist ideas??

So the Tory party are like the Nazis then?

Just the same as Nazi Germany.

Ridiculous argument.

Tha nazi party was neither a conservative nor a liberal movement

Some of these comments about "strong and stable blah blah" are proof that if someone repeats something enough, people start believing it.

The Tories have trashed this country and encouraged a right-wing bias and quite frankly, if UKIP voters are defecting to the Tories, all those who vote Conservative should be questioning themselves and their judgements.

I'm so bored of hearing the same soundbite of "strong and stable" when really it should be "reward the rich and punish the poor".

I agree with you entirely OP.
Too many people read the right-wing press (pretty much every paper) and believe all the Corbyn-bashing. Of all the politicians, he is one of very few who stick to their principles, and truly believes in democracy.

So many people these days vote for a leader; I think they think we live in the US.

You should be voting for policies, not personalities - it's no wonder people think Tory voters are thick.

Also, the Tories have been privatising the NHS for years now, and under-funding the rest of it. Why can't people see this? It really makes me despair.

As for needing a strong and stable economy? That's a joke - the country is in a far worse state than when they took over.

The only way to improve this country is to

1. Increase taxes
2. Tax the very wealthy who contribute nothing to the economy eg non-residents who buy huge mansions and leave them empty)
3. Invest in our people. Why are nurses having to start paying £9k a year to train.

Tory policy is ALWAYS short-termist and relies upon the unfair electoral system in this country. More people voted AGAINST the Tories in the last election. How can that be democracy?

"Of all the politicians, he is one of very few who stick to their principles, and truly believes in democracy."
He believes in it so much, he shook the hand of Gerry Adams just after the IRA tried to kill the entire UK government in Brighton. I hated the Tories with a passion and I hope for a united Ireland someday but I wouldn't have shaken that bastard's hand just after one of the biggest attacks on democracy.

But it achieved peace ultimately, in a way you could never achieve through violence. People don't seem to get pacifism. He wasn't glorifying what they'd done - he wanted a resolution to all the violence.

Have children educated at state school
No
Use the NHS for ANY reason
Yes but had private mastectomy

Have children considering going to university
We paid for them
Have elderly parents who will require state support
No
Use public transport
No
Are a teacher, health professional, public sector worker
No
Live in rented accommodation
No
Are a low paid worker
No

You are a hypocrite of the highest order No you are Na na na na na

He shook Gerry Adams hand because he was an attention seeking back bencher who loves pissing people off and playing to his followers. He was not involved in the peace process and should have been defending U.K. parliamentary democracy against murderous twats not shaking IRA supporters by the hand.

Have children educated at state school
Yes

Use the NHS for ANY reason
Yes but had to have my gallbladder taken out privately as my op was cancelled 3 times

Have children considering going to university
Not sure yet.

Have elderly parents who will require state support
Yes

Use public transport
No

Are a teacher, health professional, public sector worker
No

Live in rented accommodation
No

Are a low paid worker
No - am a sahm and Dh is a higher rate tax payer.

And yet....I still couldn't vote Tory.

Just goes to show. There are people who would answer yes to all of these questions and still vote Tory.

god help them

This is not going to persuade Tory voters to change their minds, which is what any Labour person worth their salt should be focusing on.

"This is not going to persuade Tory voters to change their minds, which is what any Labour person worth their salt should be focusing on."
Unlikely to get many pissed off with Corbyn Labour voters either

I'm with you OP

Agreed Radishal. I don't think a Tory victory can be avoided but I think it can be lessened... this sort of sneering, angry attempt at shaming people isn't going to help at all though.

Of all the politicians, he is one of very few who stick to their principles, and truly believes in democracy.

Um, that's the problem - Corbyn's principles may be deeply felt but they are airy-fairy nonsense. If you think the country is screwed under the Tories, just wait to see what he and Diane would do to it.

Not voting Tory btw but certainly not Labour either. Never until he gets out.

Really, really fed up with self-righteous lefties like OP, thinking that Labour is the only party that cares about the common good. Who believe their own extreme left-wing propaganda, seeking to demonise Tory voters as self-seeking greedy individuals. It is so ignorant of the reality and subtleties of politics.

When Labour stops spending, spending, spending and saddling this country with DEBT, with no thought to the future generations who will suffer - making this country more fragile in the long-run; an economic situation that will hit the poorest hardest, THEN I will consider voting Labour. They spend NOW for short-term gain and to help the needy, causing serious harm to future generations, who will have to pay for it.

If the economy worked like that. But it doesn't

That's exactly how to it will work. Explain how this escalating debt is a good thing for the future then.

Ok if you explain how the Tories have reduced debt and spent less in last 7 years.

Which they haven't

Corbyn was not involved in the peace process, that was Blair, you know the one who won 3 elections but who according to the corbyn lot is somehow to blame for the current state of the Labour party. Do those calling tory voters all sorts of names understand how labour will ever win an election. They will persuade Tory voters to vote for them. So I am afraid you need the 'evil tories' to actually achieve anything. Or you can sit on the sidelines shouting. I am getting very tired explaining to the new members of the Labour party how our voting system works. It's pretty basic stuff.

Great post birds

I certainly don't need anyone sneeringly telling me to be ashamed of myself.
Who I vote for is totally my business and none of yours.

Perhaps you might like to explain just how voting for Canute Corbyn would make the slightest bit of difference, as clearly thousands of his former supporters no longer have confidence in him or the party as demonstrated on Thursday?

When Labour stops spending, spending, spending and saddling this country with DEBT, with no thought to the future generations who will suffer - making this country more fragile in the long-run; an economic situation that will hit the poorest hardest, THEN I will consider voting Labour. They spend NOW for short-term gain and to help the needy, causing serious harm to future generations, who will have to pay for it.

I am not sure that the Tories are much different only the money doesn't seem to go on helping the needy. As well as borrowing money the Tories also seem to sell off assets - again the money doesn't seem to go to the needy

I think a lot of this thread is to do with fear rather than sneering. The cuts over the last few years have deeply affected many people's lives, and people have also been panicked by the mismanagement of the referendum before and after - the lack of clear info about all the issues, instead allowing people to only focus on immigration on the basis that Cameron couldn't bring himself to believe that the people would vote leave. The confusion since then. I have personally found the cuts terrifying even though at the moment I am not affected. In the past I would have been affected.

So I think a lot of it is fear rather than sneering.

I believe people should be allowed to vote how they believe without being manipulated or bullied.

But the manipulation and spin is all around and it is difficult to know the truth.

In 1992 i was a student and temping at British Coal Headquarters, and just before the election all the staff from managers to secretaries were saying they were voting Tory - because it was the party of strength and high moral standing and stability. It was widely assumed elsewhere that the mines would be closed but the staff didn't believe it. Shortly after the election, their workplace was closed and the mining communities became benefit communities. Things are not always what they seem.

But equally most of us haven't a clue what is really going on half the time.

By the way, Corbyn has gone on record and said unequivocally that he was and is against all violence and bombing, but that he was also critical of how the UK govmt were initially handling things and wanted negotiated peace, in the period before the official peace process kicked off. Just reporting what he has said.