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You should be ashamed of yourself if you vote Tory and…

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SasherinSuite · 05/05/2017 09:39

Have children educated at state school
Use the NHS for ANY reason
Have children considering going to university
Have elderly parents who will require state support
Use public transport
Are a teacher, health professional, public sector worker
Live in rented accommodation
Are a low paid worker

You are a hypocrite of the highest order Angry

OP posts:
Bringmesunshite · 05/05/2017 09:54

I was an adult in the Thatcher era. If you think this bunch of bumbling Tories are as bad as Thatcher, you really do need to grow up

rosie1959 · 05/05/2017 09:54

Probably looks like lots of people are going to be ashamed of themselves if local elections are anything to go by come June 8th
If labour are so bloody wonderfull why are they not soaring in the polls

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 05/05/2017 09:54

Labour aren't going to win, so it doesn't really matter that much how much of an arse Corbyn is - I hope he goes, and soon. But I want my local Labour MP to stay, so I'll be voting Labour for that reason as much as the fact that Labour are the only party I could ever put my cross next to.

I do hope they sort themselves out soon.

jamaicanbobsledder · 05/05/2017 09:54

Now Boris didn't get in to lead the Conservative party so point proven.

MrsSummerisle · 05/05/2017 09:55

Oh dear, has the democratic will of the British people hurt your feelings, OP? Good luck winning over all those pesky opposing voters with abuse, that's a sure-fire electoral strategy and no mistake... Wink

bigmack · 05/05/2017 09:55

I'm amazed that people think that we can trust Philip Hammond and Teresa May to act in the interests of 'ordinary working people' after the National Insurance fiasco.

chicaguapa · 05/05/2017 09:55

Everyone would like to write a blank cheque to the NHS and schools, have more bank holidays and do what we please, but we can not saddle the next generation with these enormous debts. It's not fair.

I don't believe it's a question of not enough money. It's a matter of ideology and priorities. The Tories don't believe in public services. The party stands for each person fending for itself and that includes paying for their own education and healthcare. Therefore they prioritise their spending in other areas.

I'm astonished that people with children in state schools or people who use the NHS are able to turn a blind eye to the degradation of our public services as a result of all the funding cuts, thereby supporting this. I don't understand it. I can only assume it's because they either don't believe it's happening or they don't understand it.

Believeitornot · 05/05/2017 09:55

We need a strong and sustainable economy

Is that you Theresa?

Ramping up the vitriol towards the EU is hardly conducive to a smooth Brexit, is it? Which we will need if we want a strong and stable economy Hmm

Cutting funding to education, therefore wiping out the chances of many many children is hardly the basis on which we found a strong and stable economy Hmm business keep bleating on about how your young people don't have the right skills, yet the Tories cut funding to schools and demoralise a significant proportion of the teachers.

Theresa May hasn't said how she will deliver a strong and stable economy.

Please can someone provide some answers.

bigmack · 05/05/2017 09:56

'I was an adult in the Thatcher era. If you think this bunch of bumbling Tories are as bad as Thatcher, you really do need to grow up'

So was I.
Give them time. Once TM has been elected we'll see her true colours.

MoreThanUs · 05/05/2017 09:57

Sasher, you are throwing round accusations but not engaging with counter arguments, so just vote as you please and I'll vote as I please. The party with the most MPs will then form a government. Job done.

AmIAWeed · 05/05/2017 10:00

Do you not think that when the conservatives get in by such a huge majority that actually you are the one in the minority?
I am so bored of people complaining about election results - we have a democratic system, we all get to vote and we can vote however we like safely.
Frankly I am very grateful for that.
I voted for what I believe will provide the greatest benefit to the greatest number of people, you voted for what you believe in, both of our votes are equally valid
Welcome to democracy

StarUtopia · 05/05/2017 10:01

Currently Labour could not organise a piss up in a brewery - they are a shambles and you want people to vote for that? A complete unmitigated disaster zone? I didn't vote Tory btw but there's not a chance come hell nor high water that Labour could get its arse together and become electable in 35 days.

Agree 100%

MoreThanUs · 05/05/2017 10:02

The Tories don't believe in public services.

This gets said a lot but it isn't true, and anyone who thinks about it knows it isn't true. I am a Tory and I believe in public services, but they need to be paid for.

Bringmesunshite · 05/05/2017 10:04

Op , where were you during the EU referendum. On fecking holiday like the blessed JC? The aftermath of that disastrous vote outcome will screw our economy for ages. That is really going to hammer the NHS, education, policing. You think it's shit now.
And all this diddums bullshit "Dem in de EU are being mean to us." You ain't seen nothing yet.

Fruitcocktail6 · 05/05/2017 10:06

I agree OP. The Conservatives are evil.

It does amaze me that people moan about how awful the NHS is at the moment and our rubbish education system, then vote Tory. I don't understand the logic one bit.

Cantseethewoods · 05/05/2017 10:07

It may make you ill advised in that (in your opinion) those people may not be voting in their own best interests, but it doesnt make them hypocrites- hypocrisy being when someone claims to have noble beliefs which are not supported by their actions. An example of hypocrisy would be if, say, you opposed private schools in the interests of social equality but then you sent your own child to one.......oh, wait a minute.

chicaguapa · 05/05/2017 10:08

It's no wonder our politics and country are up the swanny when the counter argument to 'what the hell is happening to our public services?' is 'well the opposition are a bag of shite anyway'. Hmm

MyGastIsFlabbered · 05/05/2017 10:09

I don't understand how anyone can vote Tory but I will defend their right to do so. Different people have different priorities and will vote for what affects them personally. In a lot of cases I'm sure it's not a case of voting for what's best as a case of voting for what is least damaging
What I hate most is voter apathy, people need to turn out and vote, regardless of who they're voting for, people need to get motivated and to feel their vote can make a difference.

oldmum22 · 05/05/2017 10:11

OP on your list I qualify on 7 out of the 8 yet I cant see why I should be ashamed of myself. What I do see ,is an ineffective opposition with no sound policy for the future. A shadow Home Secretary who cant be bothered to read her briefing and a Opposition leader who quotes "Mary from Manchester" or "Daniel from Derby" as examples of the voters questioning Government decisions.
Provide a strong ,decisive, eloquent opposition and maybe my vote would be different.

FluffyBathTowel · 05/05/2017 10:12

How exactly is Corbyn going to make the NHS and education better though? I've only heard vague promises about pumping a lot more money into it gained by taxing higher earners more etc. It all seems a bit wishy washy and reminiscent of Boris & Nigel with their big money promises prior to the EU vote. I'm not being goady but if anyone is able to answer I am genuinely interested.

Am not a Tory voter btw, I feel no affiliation to any of the parties at the moment.

Nutterfly · 05/05/2017 10:12

We need a strong and sustainable economy

Yes, we do and that's why I'm not voting Tory. The deficit has shot up much higher than it did under Labour, and it's due to their financial mismanagement.

They appear to have no concept of the difference between spending as investment, and spending as unnecessary expense.

Most of their cuts are ideological, not practical and end up costing far more than they are saving, and that's reason the economy is doing badly.

I seem to remember someone asking in parliament about what kind of cost-benefit analysis had been done before making legal aid cuts, and they admitted they hadn't done one, and now court costs are up much higher than they're saving on legal aid. Just plain stupid.

It's a bit like me saying money is tight so I'm going to tighten my belt, so I decide to cut childcare and transport as some of my biggest expenses.
And then when I can't get to work or have someone to look after my children when I do, then the fact that I'm no longer earning a salary just can't be helped because I'm being responsible by tightening my belt and cutting expenses.

To use another analogy, the common metaphor is that you need to fix the roof while the sun shines, but you need to fix it if it rains too.
If you don't because it's 'too expensive', all that happens is it ends up more expensive in the long run because you left it too long and now you also have to replace all your belongings due to rain damage.

The Tories are like Trump -- really good at shouting how good they are at the economy, but there is no actual evidence.

MoreThanUs · 05/05/2017 10:13

The Conservatives are evil.
You might neee to get some historical and global perspective on that.

chicaguapa · 05/05/2017 10:14

I am a Tory and I believe in public services, but they need to be paid for.

Do you think they will be cheaper then if they are privatised? Or will we all end up paying more for them when someone is providing them for a profit?

You don't think that the priorities for funding are led by ideology? That privatisation isn't to give businesses the chance to grow and prosper in line with that?

One day when our economy is strong again (in 10 years, post Brexit) there will be no NHS or state education to speak of. So it'll be too late then to say that there is enough money to make it decent again.

Bringmesunshite · 05/05/2017 10:14

Seriously, the ONLY thing that matters in this election is who will deal best with Brexit. We have no idea about how it is going to affect our economy and therefore it is pointless to make promises about more police and more unicorns or whatever the current Labour front bench is promising.
Can they manage Brexit, yes or no? And if JC's holiday escapade in the run up to the referendum is anything to go by, the answer is No for Labour and Fucknose for the Tories.
I will never vote Tory but I am not going to vote Labour this time. Gonna lock me up, op?

Figaro2017 · 05/05/2017 10:15

Why so many pro Corbin threads?

Momentum struggling to make Labour under Corbin credible so they have taken to spamming social media?

Come June 9th Labour will be looking for a new leader and Momentum can hive off and form their own party.