You should be ashamed of yourself if you vote Tory and…

[SasherinSuite]

Have children educated at state school
Use the NHS for ANY reason
Have children considering going to university
Have elderly parents who will require state support
Use public transport
Are a teacher, health professional, public sector worker
Live in rented accommodation
Are a low paid worker

You are a hypocrite of the highest order

[Badders123]

Yes, labour made some bad decisions but the fact is that the national debt is now far larger after 7 years under the tories/Tory coalition.
Homelessness is at record levels.
As is child poverty...labour made great strides in tackling this.
Hundreds and thousands are now reliant on food banks.

This is what strong and stable means apparently....

[OlennasWimple]

Badders - I agree, I am crying out for a credible alternative for my vote, having voted Labour or Lib Dem (depending on local circumstances) all my life. Who is out there for us? It sure as hell isn't Labour at the moment.

On young voters: I also suspect that JC and JMcD's links to the IRA are less of a turn-off to voters who don't remember the IRA in their hey-day

[Badders123]

How did it come to this?
Seriously...how?
I know in time there will be many learned theses on how this happened but it will too late by then.....fuck.
How??

[MrsSummerisle]

Badders123

Yes, labour made some bad decisions but the fact is that the national debt is now far larger after 7 years under the tories/Tory coalition.

Labour left office in 2010 borrowing over £150 billion a year, which the Tories have now cut to one third of that rate. Has the total debt gone up during the last 7 years? Sure it has, but the only way to avoid that would have been to slash the £150 billion instantly, leading to much left-wing whining as whole areas of government shut down overnight - which would have created a far greater homelessness and food poverty crisis.

So your criticisms are a bit inconsistent with one another. I'm sure things would have worked out much better with Diane Abbott doing the sums!

[LittleNellsDog]

I agree op.

[Badders123]

Ah yes
Austerity.
Because "we are all in it together"?
Don't make me laugh!
How much did George osbournes best man make after the sell off of the post office? £18 million wasn't it?

[Badders123]

The thing I find most worrying is that remainers are already being blamed for the failure of brexit!
It will be because we didn't "believe" enough. We are "traitors" 😳 Such emotive and inflammatory language!
I do not look forward to the "new Albion"
And those who orchestrated this omnishambles have the means and will be the first to leave (Nigel farage has already stated his intention to move abroad and benefit from all those pesky EU laws!!)

[SuperBeagle]

The thing is, it's all well and good to shit on the Tories for what they have or haven't done with the economy in 7 years, but you have to recognise the context. They came into power shortly after the peak of the Global Financial Crisis.

What did Brown do to mitigate the disaster? Anything of significance?

[OhTheRoses]

Brown mirrored his diesel gaff with the economy overall.

But it's fine op. We haven't used state schools for years and avoid the NHS where we can.

Now let me think. My DC started at a state school in 1999 - the eldest was transferred to private in 2002. This was because the standards weren't high enough and the left wing head was in the race to the bottom. Blair was pm.

DD couldn't be born at our local hospital in 1998 - because it closed as soon as the tory MP lost in 1997.

Yep, labour did not do great things for education or the NHS between 1997 and 2010.

[Theworldisfullofidiots]

I agree to some extent and it has to be remembered that both parties which includes the Tories made bank debt, public debt. Which made ordinary people responsible for the mess whilst bankers continued to make and to keep millions through Tory advantageous tax schemes. (In comparison to ir35 rules which disproportionately penalises one man band self employed).
We are then paying for this through austerity measures. Except austerity has no economic theory (tis an ideology) and has never worked, ever. (Google it if you don't believe me). It shrinks economies and halts socio-economic movement of individuals. Rich get richer, poor get poorer. Squeezed middle have every last drip drained out.
It's a great way of privatising public services. Defund them so they can't provide a decent service. Disassociate yourself from this (see Jeremy Hunt). Ride in on white charger and say privatisation is tge only way. Give the work to your mates who give a healthy donation to your party (and get a job on the board as an ' advisor')

[TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin]

But the Tories are going to rescue the NHS that they have spent years running down

[Theworldisfullofidiots]

They are in their minds because they are going to privatise it.
And ohtheroses some (not all to be fair) get better results than the private schools in my area. And if something goes wrong in private healthcare you end up back in the NHS.

[Bringmesunshite]

Blackmailing voters over the NHS "vote Labour. Only we can save the NHS" is cruel and faintly ridiculous. Act like you could run a piss-up in a brewery and I might think about it.

[Ylvamoon]

Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?
Isn't that what the Torys do? Less of a nanny state and more independence for the individual?

I am tired of people accusing/ attacking this current government. Some of their policies only get through unchallenged because of a luck of opposition. Maybe you (OP) should start a post about attacking the Labour Party for gross misconduct in running this country. Or the LibDems for inadequate policies- so nobody can vote for them. Or UKIP , all the main players F-ed off into the sunset!
This country is at its knees, because Politicians and Citizens let it happen.
Go and vote in the general election... but none of the above, they are all incapable!

[TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin]

Some.people can't take responsibility for themselves.

Or life screws them over.

Or the Tories do.

[Theworldisfullofidiots]

theconversation.com/one-hundred-and-fifty-ways-the-nanny-state-is-good-for-us-15587

[Theworldisfullofidiots]

Singapore is seen as classic capitalism. Over 90% of Singaporeans live in social housing.

[Charlieismydarlin]

OP - you are outraged.

Stop for one minute and try to see things out the MN bubble.

[SuperBeagle]

theworld And a lot of those things were introduced by Liberal governments. What's your point?

[Carolinesbeanies]

How did I miss this thread?! LOL. OP, you must be Russian? Youre very simplistically describing a communist state. But carry on, youre utterly entitled to your view, and if communisms your bag, then so be it. Just dont be surprised that your communist leaders use private health and education. But these are very good questions for the vast majority of sitting Labour MPs.....

[woodhill]

Lovely Tony Blair raised interest rates in1997, we had just moved and really struggled. My dh earned too much on paper (not massive salary) but just over benefit level. I had young 3 dc We were really hard up so I don't think much to them.

[mogonfoxnight]

Ylvamoon, in relation to "Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?" looking after people who need looking after is the hallmark of a civilised society and makes economic sense, and makes for a nicer social environment for everyone (or would you want to return to the days of stepping over child beggars or child chimney sweeps, people on the edge of desperation all around you...?)

[MrsGuyOfGisbo]

Hilarious - this is surely a spoof?
If the OP is serious - they are completely blinkered about real life and real people. Do you really think the massive landslide yesterday was all 'rich bankers' voting?
No wonder Labour Party has imploded if there if is populated by people who genuinely 'reason' like the OP.

[Kursk]

Carolinesbeanies

Yep. Rather than a rich poor divide, I think op wants to spread the wealth so everyone is equally poor.

Venezuela is a socialist society that we can use as a example to learn from

[Radishal]

Venezuela? Chavez? Are you kidding me?
Corrupt. Brutal. Money flushed away.