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Trump vs Clinton. Biggest debate in world history 2am tomorrow. Will you be there?

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claig · 26/09/2016 09:13

The entire world's movers and shakers, swindlers and fakers, public money piss-takers will be watching in trepidation at what Trump will do to them. The entire world's great and the good, high and the mighty, shifty and flighty will be supporting Hillary. Will you be with the people supporting Trump?

Have you got the ice cream, the chocolate, the biscuits and the matchsticks to keep the eyelids open ready?

As a warm-up, here is Sky News's 30 minute documentary shown last night

"Trump. Could it really happen?"

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WinchesterWoman · 08/10/2016 15:41

There we are I could actually not have been more wrong. Thanks Claig.

UnGoogleable · 08/10/2016 15:41

Wait and hear until what some of the women claimed he did. I have never heard anything like it like What Claig?

And, let's be clear again here. What Bill Clinton did has no bearing on Hilary's candidacy. Just like what Trump's wives do has no bearing on his.

WinchesterWoman · 08/10/2016 15:42

I think it's terribly important that we all listen to actors before we vote, to help us along with our decisions.

Or not.

ZuleikaDobson · 08/10/2016 15:44

My travels have changed me

Obviously not. The man who thought it was fine to grab a woman by the genitals is the same man who thought it was fine to deride women for daring to be fat or ugly (and indeed the man who couldn't see the irony in that). Both are the product of a man who is an out-and-out misogynist who sees women as being there primarily as sex toys and servants for men.

Wait and hear until what some of the women claimed he did. I have never heard anything like it.

So you haven't heard about a man using his power and money to rape a 13 year old girl? Yes, you will say, but it's only a claim. But somehow we have to take "claims" relating to Clinton as gospel?

Is there nothing you will not excuse?

WinchesterWoman · 08/10/2016 15:45

Google are you reading: it's not what HE did. It's what SHE did. Please don't say again why should she be criticised for what her husband did. It's not about that. Why do you keep saying that?

UnGoogleable · 08/10/2016 15:46

Interesting link there Lweji

particularly this bit:

Trump forcefully removed (Harth) from public areas of Mar-A-Lago in Florida and forced (her) into a bedroom belonging to defendant’s daughter Ivanka, wherein (Trump) forcibly kissed, fondled, and restrained (her) from leaving, against (her) will and despite her protests.” In the court document, she said that Trump bragged that he ”would be the best lover you ever have.”

Recently Donald Trump issued a statement that women’s claims of sexual harassment, documented in a lengthy New York Times investigation which included Ms. Harth’s lawsuit, were “made up.

And yet he was recorded on tape bragging about doing exactly that to women.

Roussette · 08/10/2016 15:46

We should not be influenced by them (actors), but that clip is a sentiment expressed by very many people and he has a voice.

WinchesterWoman · 08/10/2016 15:48

This is what people will be reading

This sort of thing

The days are gone when the Six O clock news on CCN was gospel. People just roam around at get other stuff.

UnGoogleable · 08/10/2016 15:49

Google are you reading: it's not what HE did. It's what SHE did. Please don't say again why should she be criticised for what her husband did. It's not about that. Why do you keep saying that?

Because people, including Donald Trump, keep bringing it up.

In fact, you'll see that the comment that I responded to above was:
Wait and hear until what some of the women claimed he did. I have never heard anything like it

What some of the women claimed HE did.

I'm fine with debating what Hilary Clinton is alleged to have done - what has she been accused of that makes it OK for Donald Trump to boast about Sexually assaulting women?

WinchesterWoman · 08/10/2016 15:50

Yes - it's what SHE did i.e. smeared Bill's victims, enabled the abuse etc. (allegedly) Which bit do you have trouble understanding?

WinchesterWoman · 08/10/2016 15:51

i.e. she isn't being attacked for what her husband did, she's being attacked for what she did to enable him (allegedly) - do you understand it now?

WinchesterWoman · 08/10/2016 15:52

It's doesn't make Donald Trump 'ok'! They are both not 'ok' - both terrible for women - both candidates are terrible, appalling candidates for women!

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claig · 08/10/2016 15:53

'like What Claig? '

I don't like to say, it is too disgusting. You can go on youtube and listen to some of the interviews with the women where they mention that he did the same thing to them all.

If it is true, then what it really shows is how the entire system is corrupt because lots of people knew about it and did nothing.

Trump may mention some of it in the debate, then it will become media news and the Establishment won't be able to hide it.

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UnGoogleable · 08/10/2016 15:58

i.e. she isn't being attacked for what her husband did, she's being attacked for what she did to enable him (allegedly) - do you understand it now?

Yes, I do thanks. But she really is being attacked for what her husband did too. Trump himself said "I’ve said some foolish things, but there’s a big difference between the words and actions of other people. Bill Clinton has actually abused women, and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims.”

I do get that she has behaved badly too, and I do believe the accusations. I think she has viciously defended her husband for her own political gain and it has backfired on her. So yes, let's debate that. But let's not bring the woman down for what her husband is alleged to have done.

UnGoogleable · 08/10/2016 15:59

I don't like to say, it is too disgusting more disgusting than allegedly raping a 13 year old girl? Wow.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 08/10/2016 16:03

Oh god i dont think i want to be up all night, maybe i will just tell ds1 to wake me if something interesting happens

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claig · 08/10/2016 16:04

No, but I don't believe that accusation is real and my guess is it will be dropped and disappear after the election, just like Occupy Wall Street was dropped after Obama's election.

The women who accuse Bill Clinton have done so for years and there are interviews with them on youtube going back years. This allegation against Trump has only surfaced during this election.

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RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 08/10/2016 16:06

Threads moved on i see Blush

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claig · 08/10/2016 16:07

'RufusTheSpartacusReindeer, the BBC and Sky will repeat it the next day. It is not a great format for Trump because it is a sitdown cosy style chat rather than a standup scrap that he likes, but the audience will ask half the questions (obviously pre-screened) but Trump will have to go on the offensive if he wants to rescue his bid and therefore I think he may take the gloves off and tell people the truth.

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UnGoogleable · 08/10/2016 16:12

i.e. she isn't being attacked for what her husband did, she's being attacked for what she did to enable him (allegedly) - do you understand it now?

The women who accuse Bill Clinton have done so for years and there are interviews with them on youtube going back years. This allegation against Trump has only surfaced during this election.

Do you see my point now Winchester?

UnGoogleable · 08/10/2016 16:15

This allegation against Trump has only surfaced during this election

Yes, and previous allegations go back to 1984 and 1997.

Or does one have to have a string of rape allegations for it to be really bad? Perhaps 'just' 3 isn't too bad?

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 08/10/2016 16:17

Now trump with his gloves off will be interesting claig

Roussette · 08/10/2016 16:23

998 posts. End of this thread then...

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claig · 08/10/2016 16:23

UnGoogleable, it is the coverup and minimisation and protection that shows that the system is corrupt.

We have an enquiry here about Savile due to the possible Establishment coverup, not to try Savile because he is dead.

'Now trump with his gloves off will be interesting claig'

Yes, I think it will have to happen. He can't say nothing any more.

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