Trump vs Clinton. Biggest debate in world history 2am tomorrow. Will you be there?

[claig]

The entire world's movers and shakers, swindlers and fakers, public money piss-takers will be watching in trepidation at what Trump will do to them. The entire world's great and the good, high and the mighty, shifty and flighty will be supporting Hillary. Will you be with the people supporting Trump?

Have you got the ice cream, the chocolate, the biscuits and the matchsticks to keep the eyelids open ready?

As a warm-up, here is Sky News's 30 minute documentary shown last night

"Trump. Could it really happen?"

EllyMayClampett, absolutely. People wanted a champion to protect their jobs, their wages, ther factories, their taxes and everything else from the corrupt system that totally ignored them and their wishes. That is why Trump's rallies are huge and Hillary's aren't. She has the media and the Establishment, but Trump has lots and lots of people.

I don't see it as worse. What I see is people thinking: there has been zero coverage of that and the media colluding to dismiss the victims therefore the media are hypocritical therefore they are on Hilary's side therefore they might be lying or exaggerating because they are on Hilary's side. This is the train of thought that Clinton campaigners fail signally to see, understand or comprehend. It is incomprehensible to them.

People wanted a champion to protect their jobs, their wages, ther factories, their taxes and everything else from the corrupt system that totally ignored them and their wishes

Sorry, can you please explain how a man who was proud of the fact that he hadn't paid income tax for 18 years, and that made him "smart" is a champion to protect their taxes?

I mean, they cannot comprehend that such a train of thought even exists.

The idea that Trump and his sexually abusive behaviour is some kind of solution to abusers like Savile is so extraordinary it is simply laughable.

One thing this thread has made clear is how difficult it can be for someone to get out of a hole once they've fallen for a charismatic scammer. If you're not able to climb out then there's a strong temptation to continue digging.

Elly Spot on. I've always found it ever so slightly galling that so many people missed the point of Trump. While they are busy sneering at the uneducated, 'thick' Trump voters, they failed to realise that he was just a conduit for everything you describe. It could have been anybody. Nobody actually likes him because he is so utterly unlikeable. However, you don't have to be economically or politically literate to just know that something is wrong with Hillary and others like her, and not just in America. It surely must be over for Trump, but it's certainly not the end of what he's started.

'Sorry, can you please explain how a man who was proud of the fact that he hadn't paid income tax for 18 years, and that made him "smart" is a champion to protect their taxes?'

He made a huge loss and used the laws that allowed him to not pay tax etc. He knows the laws and the system from the inside, he knows they are "bought and paid for", because as he says, he used to write the cheques for them. He was an insider, they were all his mates, the Clintons went to his wedding, Reverend Jesse Jackson praised him for what he had done for African-Americans.

Now the same people who courted him and praised him call him all the names under the sun becuse he is challenging them and threatening to change the rigged system that he saw from the inside.

Do you really, honestly think he's going to change a system which he himself has benefited from for so long?

That he would instigate tax reform that would force billionaires like himself to pay their fair share?

'Do you really, honestly think he's going to change a system which he himself has benefited from for so long? '

He won't fix everything and do everything right, but if he is to be believed, he will scrap the free trade deals that have led to the offshoring of US jobs and he will bring jobs and investment back and that is good enough.

Four mummy is right. T is a shit and his vp is even shittier. But this is seen as a battle greater than its flag bearer.

I'll take your answer as a No then Claig.

No, I can't UnGoogleable because I don't think he would or could. But he sure convinced a whole lot of people.

I'd vote for HRC myself. I actually like her.

But I have enough imagination and empathy to consider why others wouldn't and why some people in America might be seduced by Trump.

Oh yeah I agree with you EllyMay I can see why people are desperate for change, and I can totally see why they're turned off by HRC.

But can they see the bigger picture? Do they even care? Most people vote according to how it will affect them, their families and their pockets at the end of the day. And if he has convinced people that they will be better off under Trump, then I can see how that would appeal.

But the Country as a whole, and the World? Well on that scale a Trump Presidency is terrifying.

Oh dear I mean impressed

I'm really not important at all!

if he is to be believed, he will scrap the free trade deals that have led to the offshoring of US jobs and he will bring jobs and investment back and that is good enough

If.
That is a huge gamble on someone who's shown he can't be trusted in so many ways.
Not financially, not on his own words and statements, not on a personal level.

Add to that the hate speech and the general inflaming people against each other.
How that can be good for the US is beyond me.

Ungoogleable: they think they ARE seeing the bigger picture. They think it's about the future of US values enshrined in the Constitution.

'Most people vote according to how it will affect them, their families and their pockets at the end of the day'

It's pointless to say this. Pointless. You think Labour voters all vote for their own pockets? Democrat voters? Probably not. So what you're really saying is - most right-wing voters vote according to their pockets. It's patronising and sneery. And ignores the fact that people think they're voting for something bigger than either Hillary or Trump.

They think it's about the future of US values enshrined in the Constitution then they'll have a shock if Trump does win and they realize he doesn't give a shit about US values or the Constitution - he gives a shit about himself only.

But hey, if he's in power he can grope all the beautiful women he likes, right?

Google but they know they won't get a shock if Hillary gets in and doesn't give a shit about US values or the constitution.

No, I have said that I don't condone what Trump said or has said about lots of other things. He says lots of things that he should not have said.

Can you really not see that this is on an entirely different level from the "other things" that you have previously accepted he should not have said?

Deepak Chopra sums it up with his tweet to DT -
"You need professional help for your violent & abusive language & actions against women. Drop out & get treatment"

Trump's statement and apology. From what he says, it looks like he will lay the truth out about the Clintons in the 2nd debate on Sunday night US time, Monday morning our time.

I honestly think he could still come back from this. The Clinton team will rest of their laurels so she doesn't appear bullying or hectoring (more sexism) but it's not over for Trump.

My travels have changed me

Yeah it just takes meeting real women to learn that it's not ok to sexually assault them.

Sounds like he's threatening to stir up the shit on the Clintons there. The next debate is going to be interesting.