Trump vs Clinton. Biggest debate in world history 2am tomorrow. Will you be there?

[claig]

The entire world's movers and shakers, swindlers and fakers, public money piss-takers will be watching in trepidation at what Trump will do to them. The entire world's great and the good, high and the mighty, shifty and flighty will be supporting Hillary. Will you be with the people supporting Trump?

Have you got the ice cream, the chocolate, the biscuits and the matchsticks to keep the eyelids open ready?

As a warm-up, here is Sky News's 30 minute documentary shown last night

"Trump. Could it really happen?"

He pled guilty

Thats usually a clue that some one is guilty

Are you talking about the child rapist? Why the lie detector?

I've just heard the tape Rufus and it gave me the creeps. So tell me what you know. Was the lie detector before he pled guilty or after?

It's definitely the child rapist you're talking about, not the rapist that is also mentioned ( I think )?

Yes i am talking about about the child rapist

No idea why the polygraph, maybe that was when he was saying he didn't do it

But he pled guilty

Doesn't sit right though - maybe he pled guilty afterwards.

"she was appointed to the task by the judge"

On the tape she says that she did very few jury trials and that she was approached and told the defendant wanted a "woman lawyer" and would she do "a favour" and be the woman lawyer. Was that the judge asking her to do "a favour"?

Thats my understanding claig

winchester

that may well be the case

According to Ann Coulter, who is a lawyer, she says "you have to reach out to take these cases, no one forces you to" and according to Ann Coulter, Clinton submitted an affidavit that the 12 year old girl was a fantasist and had falsely accused other people before.

It is on the Ann Coulter Hillary Tapes youtube video but be warned that Ann discusses what happened to the girl.

There have been a number of interviews one from the prosecutor of the case saying that Clinton was 'made' to take the case (my word not theirs)

The psychiatrist signed the affidavit

Hillary says on the tape that "a prosecutor called me years ago, said that he had a guy that was accused of rape ... and the guy wanted a woman lawyer ... Would I do it as a favour to him?"

I don't know much about legal stuff, but a prosecutor is not the judge to my limited understanding of it.

Sorry dont mean signed

A number of people including a child psychologist made those statements and clinton asked for a psychiatric exam to prove the veracity of the claims

I cant spell...it took me ages to type this

Maupin cummings was the judge that assigned her

According to the prosector she tried getting off the case but wasnt allowed

Honestly claig i dont give a shiny shit about the woman

But i was annoyed at the apparent misrepresentation

There is a lot more on it on youtube. The woman who was raped spoke to the Daily Beast. There is an interview with the woman on youtube.

The text of the affidavit is mentioned and it is shocking to me that those words were used.

It is in the video called Hillary Clinton 'Lied Like A Dog' and there are other youtube videos on it "Hillary Clinton put me through hell" etc

'But i was annoyed at the apparent misrepresentation'

No problem. I only remember that one Hillary tape. But the more you look into it, the worse it gets.

I am waiting up for a child to come back from a school trip

Thats why i am still up (in case you thought i was enjoying this debate)

I think any youtube video entitled "lied like a dog" is going to be just a smidge biased

It was a legal case, she was a lawyer, lawyers sometimes have to defend complete scumbags, the youtube video shows her "laughing" at how stupid lie detectors are ...thats it as far as i can see

Child is due back in a few minutes so i will be going to bed

Have a good nights sleep claig

'I think any youtube video entitled "lied like a dog" is going to be just a smidge biased'

Yes, except that seems to be a quote from the woman who was raped. I haven't listened to it all.

Good night, Rufus.

See thats where we differ claig

The more i look into it the more i think that there is nothing to see

Night claig

I know what you mean Claig, Clinton representing a child rapist compared to Trump being accused of child rape along with his good friend and known paedophile, Jeffrey Epstein. Trump describes Epstein as 'a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life'.

Ugh yuk ugh ugh ugh bridge
boak boak how vile

If they had anything on Trump, they would use it. They have smeared Trump over mafia links, racism etc but all they have is a Trump University lawsuit about him allegedly ripping off people who paid for the course.

Trump knew Epstein because Epstein was a socialite that all the famous people knew. Bill Clinton knew him, Prince Andrew etc

However, they have no evidence about the claims that Trump raped a girl. If they did, the mainstream media would be using it non-stop. At this level, politics is a very dirty business, people are blackmailed similar to what probably happened with Jimmy Savile. The dirty tricks people who work for both Hillary and Trump throw all sorts of smears out and hope that some of it sticks, but if they have anything then they would use it.

"But Mike Fisten, a retired Miami-Dade homicide detective who worked as a private investigator in several Epstein-related cases, is skeptical about the new claims.

Fisten says Epstein had in effect two lives: “a business life and deviant pedphile life.” To find out which friends were involved in which life, Fisten carried a book with photos of Epstein’s contacts. In hundreds of interviews with hundreds of witnesses, he said no one has ever identified Trump as being involved in any kind of sexual activity with underage girls. In fact, Fisten recalls learning in the early 2000s that members of Trump’s private Palm Beach club, Mar-a-Lago, complained that Epstein was often accompanied by very young girls–“a different girl every week”—each of whom he would refer to as “his niece.” Fisten says he offered to look at Tiffany Doe’s book to vet her free of charge, but Taylor and Meagher declined."

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

The giveaway comes at the end of the article

"Johnson will likely have her day in court, but—perhaps ironically, given Trump’s habit of “just asking” about conspiracy theories while claiming he’s not endorsing them—the veracity of her claims may not matter."

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

That's a good example of the comparison between the two.
Whatever terrible things people can accuse Clinton of, the Trump trumps it. Except being a woman.

Well said Lweji

What a steaming pile of post-truth propagandising shit on this thread, and from the usual suspects.

Shame it has to happen on mumsnet.

As AppleMagic said, it looks like Trump is bluffing about "hitting hard" and he won't go there. Roger Stone keeps threatening to, but doesn't actully do it.

"Clinton team preps for Trump’s Bill attack

GOP sees risk as Donald threatens to throw Bill’s affairs in Hillary’s face.

www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-strategy-228811