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If someone claimed to be the Son of God today…

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Nutcracks · 13/12/2024 22:46

If someone claimed today all the things that Jesus did/said, would you believe them?

Curious about how people would respond in today’s world.

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stargazerlil · 15/12/2024 21:39

fashionqueen0123 · 15/12/2024 21:34

What is ‘it’ though. Like isn’t it just your inner thought? Or is it something more intrusive then that you’re not thinking yourself?

By it I was referring to the source of the information I received, the voice. Claircognisance is inner thoughts that are not from your own brain, ie from source. clairaudience is outside of head clear thought.
and no I’m not mentally disturbed, just psychic.

LockForMultiball · 15/12/2024 21:48

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 14/12/2024 02:10

No. The Bible has made it clear that when He returns it will not be as gentle Jesus, meek and mild - an otherwise non descript baby, boy, man seen only by a few and for His arrival to be spread by gossip or mutterings on social media. This time around EVERY eye shall see Him. He will fulfill the role of Israel’s Deliverer and King, and the whole world will mourn for not recognising Him and His sacrifice the first time around. See Rev 19 There will be no room for doubt that He is here. Praise God!

Blatant juvenile wish fulfillment fantasy.

"My big brother's gonna come and get all of you and then you'll be sorry wah wah" etc.

Don't you ever grow out of it?

Garlicwest · 15/12/2024 22:04

Thanks to the Bible scholars above for explaining that a mass-murdering entity with flames for eyes and a sword for a mouth, wearing a dress dripping blood from the humans it's trampled to death, is not a "blood-soaked monster".

Through a rose-tinted lens, blood doesn't look red 😏

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 15/12/2024 22:34

Parker231 · 15/12/2024 14:57

Why do some use religion as a threat or punishment? Neither heaven or hell exists. It’s held over as a control mechanism. Thankfully the majority of us can think for themselves and don’t even think about this.

Life as an atheist is pretty good - haven’t done anything wrong, no worries about the future.
Jesus seems to have been a regular bloke who got in with the wrong crowd and got himself killed. Nothing special to look up to.

If there is a sign on a cliff top “do not jump off the edge, as to do so could result in death”, it is not a threat or punishment, it is merely good advice and fair warning of the consequences. People are free to weigh that up, and choose to jump, or not, or even argue the toss, if an argument is what they enjoy. The sign is a good idea though, don’t you think? Especially in this litigious age : “oooh, I’ve jumped off the cliff and died, that’s your fault for not warning me, I’m going to sue!”. Oh yeah? Well, good luck with that ‘cos you’re dead.

I don’t see anyone using ‘religion’ as a threat, nor a punishment. 🤷 I do, however, see some folk seemingly overly concerned over their perception that they are being threatened. If statements of not believing in ‘sin’ and claiming a blameless life, and being totally unworried about the future are absolutely without a shadow of a doubt certain, with not one chink of ‘what if …’, then rock on.

Re your thought about Jesus, there are other opinions available. For me, my terms of reference are my Bible and my lived experience, and I declare that Christ Jesus is exactly who He said He is, and who my Bible says He is: Light of the World, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, I AM. He is my strength, my Rock and my Redeemer. He came to set the captives free, and in Him I am free indeed. All praise and glory to God.

Again, returning to the subject of the thread, and has already been documented, every eye will see the day that Christ returns - there will be no doubts.

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 15/12/2024 22:40

LockForMultiball · 15/12/2024 21:48

Blatant juvenile wish fulfillment fantasy.

"My big brother's gonna come and get all of you and then you'll be sorry wah wah" etc.

Don't you ever grow out of it?

😂. I grew out of the need to make personal insults after kindergarten. Reading without comprehension can sometimes be a challenge, I get it. I also get the need to try and be clever. My advice, fwiw: Take your own advice, when you meet your Maker.

Nutcracks · 15/12/2024 22:48

I’d be interested to find out whether the majority of people who have faith today, have gone through some very tough times/trauma in their life. Of course, not all.
I am aware that I am very fortunate, I have a loving family. I get love and meaning to life through them. Whilst perhaps others aim to get this through faith?

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SleepyHippy3 · 15/12/2024 22:57

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 15/12/2024 22:34

If there is a sign on a cliff top “do not jump off the edge, as to do so could result in death”, it is not a threat or punishment, it is merely good advice and fair warning of the consequences. People are free to weigh that up, and choose to jump, or not, or even argue the toss, if an argument is what they enjoy. The sign is a good idea though, don’t you think? Especially in this litigious age : “oooh, I’ve jumped off the cliff and died, that’s your fault for not warning me, I’m going to sue!”. Oh yeah? Well, good luck with that ‘cos you’re dead.

I don’t see anyone using ‘religion’ as a threat, nor a punishment. 🤷 I do, however, see some folk seemingly overly concerned over their perception that they are being threatened. If statements of not believing in ‘sin’ and claiming a blameless life, and being totally unworried about the future are absolutely without a shadow of a doubt certain, with not one chink of ‘what if …’, then rock on.

Re your thought about Jesus, there are other opinions available. For me, my terms of reference are my Bible and my lived experience, and I declare that Christ Jesus is exactly who He said He is, and who my Bible says He is: Light of the World, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, I AM. He is my strength, my Rock and my Redeemer. He came to set the captives free, and in Him I am free indeed. All praise and glory to God.

Again, returning to the subject of the thread, and has already been documented, every eye will see the day that Christ returns - there will be no doubts.

But that sounds really quite threatening. I don’t think that you should be lecturing people, about this end of day scenario, trying to somehow frighten them into submission to your god, who clearly do not share your belief in this god, and Jesus. I am glad you’ve found your faith, but your god is of no relevance to me and the life I live. I just can’t believe that a heavenly father would threaten his children into eternal submission like this?

Parker231 · 15/12/2024 23:02

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 15/12/2024 22:34

If there is a sign on a cliff top “do not jump off the edge, as to do so could result in death”, it is not a threat or punishment, it is merely good advice and fair warning of the consequences. People are free to weigh that up, and choose to jump, or not, or even argue the toss, if an argument is what they enjoy. The sign is a good idea though, don’t you think? Especially in this litigious age : “oooh, I’ve jumped off the cliff and died, that’s your fault for not warning me, I’m going to sue!”. Oh yeah? Well, good luck with that ‘cos you’re dead.

I don’t see anyone using ‘religion’ as a threat, nor a punishment. 🤷 I do, however, see some folk seemingly overly concerned over their perception that they are being threatened. If statements of not believing in ‘sin’ and claiming a blameless life, and being totally unworried about the future are absolutely without a shadow of a doubt certain, with not one chink of ‘what if …’, then rock on.

Re your thought about Jesus, there are other opinions available. For me, my terms of reference are my Bible and my lived experience, and I declare that Christ Jesus is exactly who He said He is, and who my Bible says He is: Light of the World, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, I AM. He is my strength, my Rock and my Redeemer. He came to set the captives free, and in Him I am free indeed. All praise and glory to God.

Again, returning to the subject of the thread, and has already been documented, every eye will see the day that Christ returns - there will be no doubts.

What is going to happen when Christ returns?

SleepyHippy3 · 15/12/2024 23:04

Parker231 · 15/12/2024 23:02

What is going to happen when Christ returns?

And the follow up question should be what is going to happen if Christ doesn’t return?

LockForMultiball · 15/12/2024 23:07

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 15/12/2024 22:40

😂. I grew out of the need to make personal insults after kindergarten. Reading without comprehension can sometimes be a challenge, I get it. I also get the need to try and be clever. My advice, fwiw: Take your own advice, when you meet your Maker.

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Again with the "yeah well my mate's bigger than you and he'll get you!" bit 🤣 It's just so transparent. Enjoy your vicarious retribution fantasies.

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 15/12/2024 23:13

Nutcracks · 15/12/2024 22:48

I’d be interested to find out whether the majority of people who have faith today, have gone through some very tough times/trauma in their life. Of course, not all.
I am aware that I am very fortunate, I have a loving family. I get love and meaning to life through them. Whilst perhaps others aim to get this through faith?

Interesting question. Sadly, in this sort of format, I will not share too much, so can only give bare bones. Regular ‘normal’ (what is normal?) early years. In hindsight, always a sense of questioning and yearning re, I suppose what was in simple terms is ‘the meaning of life’. Like many folk, experiencing loss of loved ones and the regular ups and downs of life. Then being faced with raw life and death trauma, again with hindsight, seeing God and His people at work in all of that ‘mess’ … and a slow process of the usual ‘unbeliever’ objections and arguments against ‘religion’. Railing ‘against the gods and the universe’ Then having had an unexpected and sudden ‘road to Damascus’ experience, I am forever grateful to God for His Sacrifice. It is only resting in Him and leaving everything at the foot of the Cross that in life’s challenges I can find the peace that passes all understanding. I love my life, I love my family, and I love my most dearest friends with whom the LORD has blessed me. Counting my many, many blessings and having a grateful heart, works for me. Thank you, Lord 🙏

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 15/12/2024 23:14

LockForMultiball · 15/12/2024 23:07

Again with the "yeah well my mate's bigger than you and he'll get you!" bit 🤣 It's just so transparent. Enjoy your vicarious retribution fantasies.

You are funny 🤣

DarkAether · 15/12/2024 23:17

basically no

LockForMultiball · 15/12/2024 23:18

You can almost hear these people's mouths watering, can't you, when they think about how they're going to be proven right in the end. The haze of hand-rubbing glee hanging over their posts when they fantasise about the humiliation and regret and eternal suffering of the non-believer, who recants and begs and pleads but it's all too late, too late. The impotent fantasies of furious little people 🤣

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 15/12/2024 23:19

Parker231 · 15/12/2024 23:02

What is going to happen when Christ returns?

Hi @Parker231 I am not going to quote chapter and verse. You are a very intelligent person and online Bibles are available for you to read - what will happen is all in there. “Got Questions” also is recommended.

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 15/12/2024 23:19

LockForMultiball · 15/12/2024 23:18

You can almost hear these people's mouths watering, can't you, when they think about how they're going to be proven right in the end. The haze of hand-rubbing glee hanging over their posts when they fantasise about the humiliation and regret and eternal suffering of the non-believer, who recants and begs and pleads but it's all too late, too late. The impotent fantasies of furious little people 🤣

You are funny 🤣

LockForMultiball · 15/12/2024 23:24

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 15/12/2024 23:19

You are funny 🤣

You've done that one. Got anything else?

Seriously. Normal Christians aren't like this. Think about the psychological need you're fulfilling through your preoccupation with extreme comeuppance for non-believers, and your need to communicate these fantasies to others, then seek therapy.

Parker231 · 16/12/2024 00:07

SleepyHippy3 · 15/12/2024 23:04

And the follow up question should be what is going to happen if Christ doesn’t return?

Not something I think about. Life is much more straightforward as an atheist as you don’t need religion to support you.
Christ and god no more exist than the tooth fairy and Elf on the shelf. They are in people’s imagination to make themselves feel better. I feel sorry for them.

Parker231 · 16/12/2024 00:09

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 15/12/2024 23:19

Hi @Parker231 I am not going to quote chapter and verse. You are a very intelligent person and online Bibles are available for you to read - what will happen is all in there. “Got Questions” also is recommended.

Thank you for the suggestion but reading the bible is not how I want to spend my time. The bible is a series of stories - some may have a degree of truth, others are totally far fetched. Nothing is going to happen to anyone regardless of any religious beliefs they may or may not have.

Mrsgreen100 · 16/12/2024 00:15

Thinking the trump is from the fire of hell
and his hair is to disguise his horns
but what a test for humanity he is !!!
just the fact that no one has shot him or stopped him , yet

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 16/12/2024 00:17

Parker231 · 16/12/2024 00:09

Thank you for the suggestion but reading the bible is not how I want to spend my time. The bible is a series of stories - some may have a degree of truth, others are totally far fetched. Nothing is going to happen to anyone regardless of any religious beliefs they may or may not have.

Fair enough. You asked me a question of what is going to happen when Christ returns, and I am glad I saved myself time by not quoting chapter and verse here, but by giving you the resources to read for yourself without me going to the wasted effort of copying and pasting. If it was a genuine question on your part, you have the resources to find out.

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 16/12/2024 00:24

LockForMultiball · 15/12/2024 23:24

You've done that one. Got anything else?

Seriously. Normal Christians aren't like this. Think about the psychological need you're fulfilling through your preoccupation with extreme comeuppance for non-believers, and your need to communicate these fantasies to others, then seek therapy.

You are still funny 🤣

SwedishEdith · 16/12/2024 00:40

"It is only resting in Him and leaving everything at the foot of the Cross that in life’s challenges I can find the peace that passes all understanding."

This kind of language is very odd. Almost reads like a script that's been learnt.

Garlicwest · 16/12/2024 00:42

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 16/12/2024 00:17

Fair enough. You asked me a question of what is going to happen when Christ returns, and I am glad I saved myself time by not quoting chapter and verse here, but by giving you the resources to read for yourself without me going to the wasted effort of copying and pasting. If it was a genuine question on your part, you have the resources to find out.

Your answer to @Parker231 can only reveal what the Bible says is going to happen when Christ returns. Reasonable enough when we consider the Bible is one of very few texts asserting the existence of Christ and his predicted return.

Some Muslims also believe in this return, however, with significant differences. John appears to have written supplements to Revelations with more details, such as that the 'chosen' will all be resurrected as 30-year-olds, all looking exactly the same. There are countless different sects and cults with alternative accounts of the Second Coming - although, as far as I know, only one of them isn't bloodthirsty (some variety of spiritualism, I forget which).

Not that it matters, but you should really acknowledge that your belief as a mainstream Christian is only one version of the same prophecy.

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 16/12/2024 00:44

SwedishEdith · 16/12/2024 00:40

"It is only resting in Him and leaving everything at the foot of the Cross that in life’s challenges I can find the peace that passes all understanding."

This kind of language is very odd. Almost reads like a script that's been learnt.

That is your value judgement on my lived (living) experience. If you find it odd, that is on you.