Why (or why not) be Christian? Part 2

[Mustardseed86]

Continuing from this thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/5018897-why-or-why-not-be-christian

Anyone welcome to join. 🙂

@heyhohello

also to borrow your words we can use that to help society as a whole:

"while the passage from 2 Corinthians 10:4-5 may originate from a religious context, its underlying message transcends religious boundaries and speaks to universal themes of resilience, empowerment, and intellectual enlightenment. In a society that embraces a human-centered philosophy, individuals are empowered to harness their innate potential, challenge injustice, and strive towards a more equitable and compassionate world. "

but then what happens when society gets to a point where there are only a few believers in the old religions because society has created a new human based philosophy and then how does your bibles say you will win without the numbers ?

@Redherringfish, according to the Bible? Basically God wins because He is God.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." (Revelation 22:13)

fair points although i was thinking of a more kinder way that using general mass media, tv, documentaries ect society starts to focus on more of a philosophy for humans and humanity without any religious aspects to it, then those that want to believe in the old gods can still believe just that eventually with the more of society believing in the new human based philosophy then the old gods become yesterdays history and the new human philosophy is the new tomorrow

but with all due respect, then could it be interpreted that humanity wins because we created all the religions to begin with and not a mythical being we call god ?

@Redherringfish,

its underlying message transcends religious boundaries and speaks to universal themes of resilience, empowerment, and intellectual enlightenment.

The Bible will 'transcend religious boundaries' because God has no boundaries. I wonder how many other Bible based concepts you would find you actually agree with if you gave them proper consideration?

fair points , i may be a pickle with some of my points but i do enjoy the debates

I think that is a nice idea. I really sincerely do.

However I don't believe it's possible as it was never believers vs humanists.
It's God vs Satan.
Good vs Evil.

Christians believe that the absence of God necessitates the presence of Evil.

but with all due respect, then could it be interpreted that humanity wins because we created all the religions to begin with and not a mythical being we call god ?

@Redherringfish, but then who created the rest of creation? Plus also you would have to be talking about all humans ever, past present and future to even moot the possibility. And how would could that have already been created as a religion by humans as it wouldn't include content from future humans?

thats true, its mainly part of my perspectives is that when religions spout thigs like humans shouldn't play god when eg humans develop medical advancements, or if we develop human cloning etc its like why should religion stand in the way of progress when it should be humans building a better society and humanity becoming great without bowing to any mythical beings and instead credit our achievements to humans being human rather than giving credit to god etc

what if it was not god but other advanced beings similar to humans eg like how we can genetic engineer creations what if other beings made humans ? or what if earth was a colony from a larger set of other humans on other planets etc

But weren’t those words written by a human? God didn’t actually commit anything to paper, personally.

what if it was not god but other advanced beings similar to humans eg like how we can genetic engineer creations what if other beings made humans ?

@NotCute, do you prefer to think this is a viable possibility? Why?

Sorry my last post @Redherringfish

@Eyesopenwideawake I believe the words written were inspired by Divine Revelation as a Christian.

because after watching shows like stargate sg1, star trek, then seeing maps of the various galaxies and then realising humans created all the written religions then thats why i prefer to believe it was other advanced beings and not god

Well I don't think cloning is necessarily a good thing, wholly in the absence of any theological considerations.

Just because we can doesn't always mean that we should. Not because we are playing God but because we are not always prepared and ready for the ramifications of our actions. Gain of function research is one contemporary example.

because after watching shows like stargate sg1, star trek, then seeing maps of the various galaxies and then realising humans created all the written religions then thats why i prefer to believe it was other advanced beings and not god

@Redherringfish, why do you put more store in science fiction over what is written in the Bible and centuries of church tradition?

people used to believe the earth was the centre of the universe remember the church vs Galileo

"Galileo's support for the heliocentric model brought him into direct conflict with the Catholic Church. Church authorities viewed his ideas as heretical and contradictory to Scripture, particularly passages that seemed to support the geocentric view. Despite Galileo's attempts to reconcile his findings with religious doctrine, his advocacy for heliocentrism challenged the Church's authority and threatened the established order."

Just a pedantic grammar point but God has a capital as it’s a name he’s called, gods pleural doesn’t.

Much apricated

@Redherringfish just because the church has made mistakes it doesn't mean there is no truth within the Christian faith / the Bible. There are layers upon layers of meaning within the Bible. It will probably take humans more the entire lifetime of the whole of humanity to understand it all in fullness. 😉

Yeah, that's not weird! I'm more than capable of recognising the fraction of someone's point of view that agrees with mine, or doesn't but makes a valid point.

What's weird is to perceive yourself as automatically inimical to everything an opponent thinks, says, does, and is.

to me there may be some truth in eg the bible and other religions but as humans wrote them all then its like picking through harry potter or lord of the rings etc as its all human written we may never know what's truly the truth

It's all science fiction.

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Yeah, that's not weird! I'm more than capable of recognising the fraction of someone's point of view that agrees with mine, or doesn't but makes a valid point.

@Garlicking, how much of what Jesus said and did, here on earth, do you agree with?