Schools reopening

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AIBU to share with you UsforThem. It is a group of mums who are campaigning to send children back to school as normal with no restrictions. They can be found on FB and Twitter #UsforThem. There is also a link to sign the petition on FB

The Blitz was focused on a few major cities in the UK, when the general population was around 40% lower than it is now. Not a good comparison.

@TabbyMumz

"do care about them but I actually read and understand their chances (and mine) of getting seriously ill or dying. Please stop telling me what I do and don't think. It's insulting." You dont care and you absolutely dont know anyones chances of survival. You think childrens chances are low and dont give two hoots about anyone elses. It's not just about the children. It's about their families too, and their teachers families. I can tell you for one my family members are highly likely to die if they get covid. But you dont factor that in because you dont seem to see beyond the end of your nose. It's totally selfish.

Stop telling me what I fucking think. Do you not think I have a family too? Do you not think some of them might be vulnerable? Perhaps i take measures to protect them? Imagine that.

Fuck off telling me what I think, you're fucking talking bollocks.

"Stop telling me what I fucking think. Do you not think I have a family too? Do you not think some of them might be vulnerable? Perhaps i take measures to protect them? Imagine that."
Oh really? What measures are they? Do you put a massive bubble round them or keep them locked up in the cellar. Goodness me, it is people like your family, if they are vulnerable, that kids going back to school as normal, will be killed. Or do you not see a link? Children going to school as normal will pass on covid to vulnerable people, and even to non vulnerable people, like you. But dont worry, you and your loved ones are teflon coated arent they.

I am always a little suspicious when people post vast reading lists that appear to have come from one place. Here are some quotes from one of the papers you listed.

An outbreak around a French school was reported, where they found that 40% of pupils and staff became infected with no difference
between the two groups [KR8]. Almost all the students in the study were aged 15-17 years of age, who appear to have similar disease characteristics to adults

At least 3 studies have shown that children show a longer faecal shedding time (and in some studies longer than adults (and in some cases that was longer than 4 weeks) [KR4-6]. A study of 3,712 COVID-19 patients analysed the variance of viral loads in patients of
different age categories and found no significant difference between age categories and concluded that children may be as infectious as adults [KR7]

Also this one, from the same list, suggests that children were the index case for 9.7% of all family clusters. So even some of the papers arguing the case for low infectivity are not suggesting no infectivity. Bear in mind, this was a small sample and there are many other reasons, besides a lack of infectivity, why children may be less likely to be the initial case in the early stages of an epidemic, when schools were already off for a holiday...

If you provide a huge reading list and tell people to educate themselves on the topic, I think you should have at least read the whole list yourself, to be honest.

Findings: Drawing on studies from China, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, and Iran a broad range of clinical symptoms were observed in children. These ranged from asymptomatic to severe disease. Of the 31 household transmission clusters that were identified, 9.7% (3/31) were identified as having a paediatric index case. This is in contrast other zoonotic infections (namely H5N1 influenza virus) where 54% (30/56) of transmission clusters identified children as the index case.

@TabbyMumz

"Stop telling me what I fucking think. Do you not think I have a family too? Do you not think some of them might be vulnerable? Perhaps i take measures to protect them? Imagine that." Oh really? What measures are they? Do you put a massive bubble round them or keep them locked up in the cellar. Goodness me, it is people like your family, if they are vulnerable, that kids going back to school as normal, will be killed. Or do you not see a link? Children going to school as normal will pass on covid to vulnerable people, and even to non vulnerable people, like you. But dont worry, you and your loved ones are teflon coated arent they.

I just don't go near them. I ensure they've got what they need so they don't have to go out. I don't hug them.

My relative won't be killed (of even affected) because my child goes back to school. My child can't pass it into relative because I won't allow them to be in close contact with each other.

Please stop making out im thick when I'm just being sensible.

@Helloitsmemargaret

they are doing tons of research. The reason they can't say for sure if kids transmit it is because they can't find enough cases of them doing so.

In a pandemic affecting 10m people.

Yet you and other seem to be ignoring that schools have been closed to all but to a few, that were the pupils have gone back they have gone back with protective measures in place.

Where some schools have gone back some have been closed again but yet again this is ignored.

Funny that.

"I just don't go near them. I ensure they've got what they need so they don't have to go out. I don't hug them."
And there you have it. You dont live with them do you. You cant imagine a world where school children live with vulnerable people? Well my relative will be killed if my child goes to school and brings home covid. Teachers relatives could be killed too. And that's what I mean when I say you cant see longer than the end of your nose. Do you think all children live with young parents under 40 and in a completely separate house from vulnerable people? Well, you know, in real life that doesnt happen. In real life a lot childrens parents are the vulnerable people.

And genie, that is exactly why more wise people than you have to make decisions for society. Not just so your child can socialise, just because you want him too. Because more wise people than you realise that as soon as kids mix in school, you have a risk of them passing covid to the whole society.

Well then your choice is whether to send YOUR child to school isn't it?

Not your choice over everyone else's children.

Will your relative not die if your child only goes part time then? How does that work?

Or do you just want schools to remain closed until covid is eradicated?

I know that kids have vulnerable parents. I know some kids themselves are vulnerable and there needs to be something in place for everyone in this position. It doesn't mean schools should remain shut, however.

"My relative won't be killed (of even affected) because my child goes back to school. My child can't pass it into relative because I won't allow them to be in close contact with each other."

So thats alright then, as long as you and your family are ok. So so selfish.

@TabbyMumz

And genie, that is exactly why more wise people than you have to make decisions for society. Not just so your child can socialise, just because you want him too. Because more wise people than you realise that as soon as kids mix in school, you have a risk of them passing covid to the whole society.

These "wise people" are on track for opening schools ft in September so what's your point?

@TabbyMumz

"My relative won't be killed (of even affected) because my child goes back to school. My child can't pass it into relative because I won't allow them to be in close contact with each other."

So thats alright then, as long as you and your family are ok. So so selfish.

Well what you're saying is exactly the same. As long as you and your family are alright fuck everyone else, isn't it?

@squeekums

*Which countries have opened schools full time with no SD?*

Australia
Only thing in place really is hand sanitizer and no parents on grounds unless pre arranged with office but otherwise Buses on, school sports on, no SD, assemblies on, teaming up for projects or activities on, canteen open, playgrounds open
School is back as normal in my state South Aus, we never really closed, we had a choice and it was encouraged to stay home but no you must.
The last week of last term was made into pupil free days and schools went back for all years 3 weeks later, 2 of that was normal school holidays so no term missed. DD only missed 2 weeks of school technically, as we pulled her 2 weeks before the proper end of term, a week before pupil free days

And this is exactly what should have happened in this country except (and what was the plan back in June) until people bought into the mass hysteria that was whipped up by social media and which still prevails now, hence this (and many simlar) threads.

My DH is a primary school teacher, I have two primary aged DC, I’m probably more vulnerable than most (though not shielding). I’ve signed the petition, DH is happy to be back in school, I want him there. Kids need to be back in school, for their mental health, education and to ensure families don’t end up destitute because one parent has to give up work to home school.

"Well then your choice is whether to send YOUR child to school isn't it?"

No because if people like you fight for schools opening up as normal, I will get fined if I dont send mine. You do know that don't you? Or did you not realise that?

"Not your choice over everyone else's children."
But so far it's your choice over everyone elses children. And that's ok is it? Of course it is.

"Will your relative not die if your child only goes part time then? How does that work?"

If my child has to go in September I'd like there to be as little risk as possible. Not everything back to normal and all squashed in like a tin of beans. Oh forgot you dont realise what a cesspit of germs schools are, because you have no experience of that yet, do you.

"Or do you just want schools to remain closed until covid is eradicated?"
Not at all, just not open as normal yet

"I know that kids have vulnerable parents"

Well you dont seem to consider them do you? Or actually maybe you have and you just dont care. Much more important for your child to socialise, eh?

"I know some kids themselves are vulnerable and there needs to be something in place for everyone in this position"

Like what? What do you suggest? Those children not living with their parents perhaps?

" It doesn't mean schools should remain shut, however."
Well, yes it does think it through. It would be much better to open up when its safer to do so, and not fully, as normal. Which will be a disaster, especially with the colder weather coming.

"Well what you're saying is exactly the same. As long as you and your family are alright fuck everyone else, isn't it?"

Theres a big difference between your childs need to socialise and someone's life. Or lots of peoples lives actually. But you crack on.

Hi all,

Can we have a bit of peace and love, please?

@TabbyMumz

"Well what you're saying is exactly the same. As long as you and your family are alright fuck everyone else, isn't it?"

Theres a big difference between your childs need to socialise and someone's life. Or lots of peoples lives actually. But you crack on.

Did you know poverty kills, and shortens life span? Or do those deaths not matter?

I don't agree with fines under any circumstances so please don't feel like you can blame that on me.

We can't stop education indefinitely until it's "safe" it may never be "safe" again, in reality.

Yes, in an ideal world that's exactly what we'd do but the consequences of that are horrific and were already seeing mass redundancy, mental health issues, employers being inflexible arseholes.

if offices are still having go be covid compliant do should schools.

Social distancing in offices tends to stop at the door on the way in. Other than the obligitory signage, hand sanitiser and the health and safety policy your company is legally required to have (usually found in a folder stuffed under many other folders or on a random part of the company intranet), after 30 minutes or so no-one cares cos its just so impractical to spend your entire working day ensuring your always 2/1m away from someone else.

Oh forgot you dont realise what a cesspit of germs schools are, because you have no experience of that yet, do you

I'd say considering my child has attended nursery since 9 months old that actually yes I do.

"I don't agree with fines under any circumstances so please don't feel like you can blame that on me."
No but you know parents will be fined Therefore parents will have to send children in and therefore covid will spread to vulnerable and non vulnerable. If you petition for this, it's likely to increase covid spread.

"We can't stop education indefinitely until it's "safe" it may never be "safe" again, in reality."
I'm not asking for education to stop indefinitely, but it's too soon to be back to normal

"20:26TrustTheGeneGenie

Oh forgot you dont realise what a cesspit of germs schools are, because you have no experience of that yet, do you"

",i'd say considering my child has attended nursery since 9 months old that actually yes I do."

Trust me, it gets worse. Nursery perhaps a room if 10 children, nursery in a school maybe 20 or 30, high school, 400 people.

@formerbabe

I'm with you op.... children are not really at risk. Anyone with some sort of functioning intellect can see that looking at the statistics. Number of deaths of people under 40 is really a tiny proportion of all deaths. Vulnerable people should shield and everyone else should just get on with their lives.

Vulnerable people haven't shielded yet (that is just for the extremely clinically vulnerable). Vulnerable people were advised to be extra vigilant with social distancing etc. as their outcome wouldn't be great if they caught covid. Why should they be shoved indoors so you and all the people who don't give a flying fuck can get on with your lives, what about making minir adjustments to bring us all out of lockdown fairly?