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What should I do about my friend's 3 year old son who wrecks my house?

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mummyluvsyoo · 01/05/2007 19:19

Help! My DS is 3.

I have a friend who has a son also aged 3. The boy doesn't speak - although he does understand language. His social behaviour is inappropriate for his age (no eye contact, no imaginative play, no parralel or co-operative play, no interest in social interaction) and he is now being assessed although they have been given a provisional diagnosis of high functioning autism.

My problem is that my friend does not attempt to impose even the simplest boundaries on his behaviour - so when he comes to the house he literally runs around, jumps on the sofas and wrecks everything in sight. If we ask him to stop he just ignores us. If my DS behaved in this way I would go and remove him from the situation - but my friend doesn't do this. On one occasion when he was in DS's room he threw all his toys off the shelves and would not share them with DS. My friend did not really try and stop him from doing this, even though I asked her to. I have not let him go upstairs since. She avoids any situation where her DS will not get his own way. On the occasions when she has got him to sit down, for example, doing colouring he grabs all the crayons and when my DS tries to share them he refuses - but my friend then tells MY(!) DS to let HER boy have the crayons - which is unfair. She does the same thing when we go to their house. So it ends up that my DS feels he has been naughty when he has not.

I thought the solution would be to just not meet at home and be in open places. However this boy is just like other 3 year olds in terms of physical development. Because he doesn't interact with DS and is in his own world I worry that my DS might get hurt, especially on climbing frames, etc. I can't even let this boy in the garden because he runs in places that he shouldn't. His behaviour in restaurants etc is so inappropriate that the whole event is just too stressful and I am left wondering why I bothered. I am also worried that DS will be influenced by this behaviour.

I am finding the whole thing very frustrating. My DS is not getting the benefit of a "normal" social interaction.
I don't want to ostracize my friend during what must be a very difficult time for her. I would like the boys to continue to play together but only if she can take steps to impose some boundaries on his behaviour. However I think that she just thinks that I am being over-precious about my house. I admit that I am tidy and organised - but I don't have a problem with children's mess - it's the destructive behaviour that I object to with my friend's son. My DS's other little friends make one helluva mess but they are never destructive in this way.

My DS likes him coming round but doesn't like when he is "naughty" as he puts it. Similarly the boy seems to like coming to our house - but unfortunately treats it like a barn! I get upset when my DS gets treated unfairly by my friend, especially in his own house, with his own toys!

It is not that I am discriminating against the boy - it's just that if my friend doesn't even try and control him then he will never learn how to behave. I don't feel this is a problem to do with his suspected autism - I would be writing this about any child who behaved in this way in my house.

So what should I do. My friend is so keen that the boys remain friends - but after last week - I don't know what to do - being with them is not an enjoyable experience, for me, my DS or my DH who has to scrape me off the floor and give me intravenous wine after one of their visits

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tigermoth · 01/05/2007 22:27

gess, oh well, it was only a thought

If the OP is mainly used to school age SN children, this still might be confusing her expectations of her friend and child in some way? Anyway, just a thought.

gess · 01/05/2007 22:27

TB absolutely honest- if you want to be really helpful then I would encourage your firend to meet others in the same situation as her. That's the best thing for anyone.

Olihan · 01/05/2007 22:31

donnie, I don't understand how you can say that the op hasn't had an good advice. What advice would you give in this situation?

Lots of posters have explained why it is not realistically possible to disclipline an ASD child. Lots of posters have suggested ways she could tackle this with her friend.

At the end of the day, this child has an ASD, The fact that the formal piece of paper hasn't been ticked yet is irrelevant, as has already been explained.

You cannot take the ASD out of this situation because it is the root of all the problems: the boy's behaviour AND the mother's response (or lack of) to it. It's not possible to look at it without considering it because it is their lives, there is no way of escaping it.

No one has an agenda on here, the OP asked for help and has been given lots of it. If it's not what she wants to hear then that can't be helped.

Rabble and donnie, you've attacked lots of the posts on here yet have offered little in the way of constructive advice of your own. Can you answer the OP's question in the title and first post?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

gess · 01/05/2007 22:31

Oh and look in the spirit of being helpful rather than just getting cross have a look at this short (15 mins) film autism every day . Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the link. I think it gives a very realistic portrait. The children are on the whole a little older than your friend's boy and it will help you see what might be in store for her. The children on the film are moderatley/severely autistic.

I am sorry you feel got at. I do think there is some advice in there (not least that it's not your problem unless you choose to take it on). BUt the film might help as well.

giddy1 · 01/05/2007 22:33

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gess · 01/05/2007 22:35

giddy . Is the unit nearby? Oh god I dread that day, but know it will come.

mummytosteven · 01/05/2007 22:37

((hugs)) and best wishes giddy.

giddy1 · 01/05/2007 22:40

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edam · 01/05/2007 22:41

Ah, I see the OP has now said she hasn't actually been a school governor for very long.

Don't know what rattled rabbleraiser's cage, she seems very angry about something and determined to have a go at somebody.

mummytosteven · 01/05/2007 22:42

giddy, it does sound tough, sorry you are in this position. i am sure you have tried your utmost.

edam - rr refers to having had a bit of a bashing on MN last night.

edam · 01/05/2007 22:43

Oh Giddy, that is so unbelievably tough. FWIW I don't think you've been anything even approaching bitchy.

gess · 01/05/2007 22:44

awww giddy. She needs 24 hour support, from people who can go home and get a break. We talk about it a lot- ds1 is only 8, but if we can;t get to manage his behaviour in public better I don't know what we'll do. He's almost stronger than me, and we had some very difficult days out this easter, and I ended the holiday covered in bruises. Even with 2:1 we couldn;t control him at times. I know exactly what you mean. And most of the time he can be a real sweety. It just worries me that when he goes off on one in public its almost getting to the stage of being out of my control, and he's still only little.

I really hope it goes well for you and her. I think of you and your dd a lot. xxxxx

tigermoth · 01/05/2007 22:44

giddy, I am so sorry.

giddy1 · 01/05/2007 22:45

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edam · 01/05/2007 22:45

Yeah, I saw RR made some vague allusion to a fight last night, no idea why she's carrying it over to this thread and to posters who weren't involved. Not really the done thing, spoiling for a fight on a sensitive thread started by someone else looking for advice and support.

gess · 01/05/2007 22:46

aren't we all giddy

Olihan · 01/05/2007 22:52

MLU, my last post wasn't directed at you, I think you are in a very tricky situation that you are trying to find a solution too. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a magic solution to it, for any of you. Meeting in the park may solve it in a way, for a time, but you have your reservations about it and I would be fairly certain that your friend will get to the point where she won't feel able to take him anyway. Our dfs's mum hasn't taken him out on her own for 4 years now, because he runs away and has no concept of danger or of anyone else around him. He is not wilfully mean to other children but can accidentally hurt them because he just doesn't realise they're there.

I would bet your bottom dollar that your went home after the tooth incident and cried her eyes out. As has been made very apparent on here, autism is very widely misunderstood and all too often is attributed to 'bad parenting'.

You do sound like you genuinely want to stay friends with this woman and her son and that is admirable (sorry, don't mean to be patronising ). I really hope you can find some kind of solution between you as a compassionate, understanding friend will be invaluable to her.

Giddy, you poor thing, my friends went through that last year with their 18 year old but have since realised it was the best decision they have ever made. Their dd is flourishing, they have some life back and it's worked out brilliantly for them. I hope it does for you too.

edam · 01/05/2007 22:53

Giddy, want to say something funny and supportive but keep having to delete my post because I'm too stupid to think of the right words. But I really do hope things work out for you and your lovely dd.

giddy1 · 01/05/2007 22:53

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giddy1 · 01/05/2007 22:56

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electra · 01/05/2007 22:57

I'm sorry giddy xx

Wotzsaname · 01/05/2007 22:57

gess - thank you for the link, it was very insightful to a world I know little about.

electra · 01/05/2007 22:58

Yes that link is great, it really is informative.

gess · 01/05/2007 22:58

giddy I reently went to a talk about a new place that has opened an hour or so away from us. It sounded wonderful, and the sort of place that could give a grown up ds1 far more than we could. I know a number of the people involved in its set up and running and they know their stuff. For the first time I began to see that it could be a positive thing as well. Sleep well.....

Olihan · 01/05/2007 22:59

Good . It will be okay, you know. Their dd is about the same distance away as yours will be. They see her very regularly and the care she receives is amazing. It will be a fantastic new chapter for all of you.

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