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What should I do about my friend's 3 year old son who wrecks my house?

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mummyluvsyoo · 01/05/2007 19:19

Help! My DS is 3.

I have a friend who has a son also aged 3. The boy doesn't speak - although he does understand language. His social behaviour is inappropriate for his age (no eye contact, no imaginative play, no parralel or co-operative play, no interest in social interaction) and he is now being assessed although they have been given a provisional diagnosis of high functioning autism.

My problem is that my friend does not attempt to impose even the simplest boundaries on his behaviour - so when he comes to the house he literally runs around, jumps on the sofas and wrecks everything in sight. If we ask him to stop he just ignores us. If my DS behaved in this way I would go and remove him from the situation - but my friend doesn't do this. On one occasion when he was in DS's room he threw all his toys off the shelves and would not share them with DS. My friend did not really try and stop him from doing this, even though I asked her to. I have not let him go upstairs since. She avoids any situation where her DS will not get his own way. On the occasions when she has got him to sit down, for example, doing colouring he grabs all the crayons and when my DS tries to share them he refuses - but my friend then tells MY(!) DS to let HER boy have the crayons - which is unfair. She does the same thing when we go to their house. So it ends up that my DS feels he has been naughty when he has not.

I thought the solution would be to just not meet at home and be in open places. However this boy is just like other 3 year olds in terms of physical development. Because he doesn't interact with DS and is in his own world I worry that my DS might get hurt, especially on climbing frames, etc. I can't even let this boy in the garden because he runs in places that he shouldn't. His behaviour in restaurants etc is so inappropriate that the whole event is just too stressful and I am left wondering why I bothered. I am also worried that DS will be influenced by this behaviour.

I am finding the whole thing very frustrating. My DS is not getting the benefit of a "normal" social interaction.
I don't want to ostracize my friend during what must be a very difficult time for her. I would like the boys to continue to play together but only if she can take steps to impose some boundaries on his behaviour. However I think that she just thinks that I am being over-precious about my house. I admit that I am tidy and organised - but I don't have a problem with children's mess - it's the destructive behaviour that I object to with my friend's son. My DS's other little friends make one helluva mess but they are never destructive in this way.

My DS likes him coming round but doesn't like when he is "naughty" as he puts it. Similarly the boy seems to like coming to our house - but unfortunately treats it like a barn! I get upset when my DS gets treated unfairly by my friend, especially in his own house, with his own toys!

It is not that I am discriminating against the boy - it's just that if my friend doesn't even try and control him then he will never learn how to behave. I don't feel this is a problem to do with his suspected autism - I would be writing this about any child who behaved in this way in my house.

So what should I do. My friend is so keen that the boys remain friends - but after last week - I don't know what to do - being with them is not an enjoyable experience, for me, my DS or my DH who has to scrape me off the floor and give me intravenous wine after one of their visits

OP posts:
mummyluvsyoo · 01/05/2007 20:53

Thanks mummytosteven that is something i might try. I just don't want to alienate her.

OP posts:
gess · 01/05/2007 20:54

We would be having a different discussion if ASD wasn;t mentioned as the situation would be completely different. She can't go on the NAS earlybird course without a diagnosis, so she needs that first.

mummyluvsyoo · 01/05/2007 20:55

Show me a teacher school governor, etc who does not use such language. I am a human being after all and right now feel more anxious about this situation than I did before I posted. All I wanted was some advice in a very delicate situation. I have a friend who needs my help, but I also have a life and needs of my own. Is that so terrible?

Got things to do now. Feel freee to slag me off in my absence.

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rabbleraiser · 01/05/2007 21:00

Well done, girls. Yet another thread that got fucked up because of your personal agendas.

GibbonInARibbon · 01/05/2007 21:04

sorry - who told someone to fuck off?

electra · 01/05/2007 21:05

what a lovely person you sound MLY

I'm too angry to post anything constructive atm but will return later.

Perhaps you ought to get off your high horse. I have reported your personal attack to mumsnet btw.

GibbonInARibbon · 01/05/2007 21:05

This is a wind up, beadle is going to jump out on me isn't he?

rabbleraiser · 01/05/2007 21:07

What personal attack, Electra???

jabberwocky · 01/05/2007 21:09

Well, I'm getting at this rather late and mummyluvsyoo may not even see my post but here it is:

Basically, imo, your top priority is your personal comfort about the safety and appropriateness of your ds playing with this little boy. I had a very similar situation a couple of years ago except that the child did not have the possible SN issues that this one may or may not have.

My suggestions:

  1. take a break if you can from playdates. Give yourself a breather from it and allow some cooldown time. It sounds like you have really had it with the mother's attitude in addition to everything else.

  2. If you really value her friendship try getting together occasionally without the children.

  3. And I second the idea of meeting up at the park, zoo, pool etc. if you decide that you are OK with your ds being around the other little boy - but it is not your responsibility to provide a playmate for him.

gess · 01/05/2007 21:16

I spend a lot of time in my son's SLD school and I would be horrified if I heard a teacher or govenor talking in this way tbh. I don't know what type of special school you are a govenor for, I suspect not SLD/PMLD.

It's nothing to do with personal agenda's. It is simply quite clear from the OP that this poster does not have much experience of autism and can't handle it in this form close up. A provisional dx of autism is going to become a dx of autism- if they're not sure they don't give provisional dx.

Which is fine but saying things like "I object to destructive behaviour" is just nonsensical when dealing with autism. I object to a lot of my son's behaviour, but that doesn't mean it magically goes away. Better just to recognise that you can't handle it and keep away. Which she;s perfectly entitled to do. You can't have a discussion about autism and destructiveness and assume that the child could magically become well behaved. That's just plain daft.

GibbonInARibbon · 01/05/2007 21:17

well said gess

TheMarvellousMadMadameMim · 01/05/2007 21:22

I think that you are actually unable to cope with this situation and feeling guilty about wanting to back off

There is no harm in backing off, well the harm will be short-term but like ripping off a plaster

If you are going to commit to this relationship then you need to do so from a basis of understanding surely

But if you feel you can't, and only you can know whether you are able to manage it, you have the opportunity to walk away .. which is one benefit of this not being your child

at least by walking away there will be no long term strain on your guilt

gess · 01/05/2007 21:23

Agree MMM- that is what I was trying to say.

rabbleraiser · 01/05/2007 21:25

Gess, I don't have an autistic child. Nor does the OP. Can we leave emotion aside and address the issue. The OP raised an issue, and she was thoroughly slaughtered on here this evening. She didn't deserve it, and it wasn't nice reading.

The same thing happened to me last night. This is becoming an unpleasant forum. The point of MN is to give support where it's needed. If she didn't care about the issue, she wouldn't have bothered to post.

Having a problem doesn't give you automatic rights, whatever the problem, to annihilate everyone else on the sidelines.

electra · 01/05/2007 21:26

If anyone is emotive on this thread it isn't gess.

However, telling people to F off because they don't agree with you is.

GibbonInARibbon · 01/05/2007 21:28

rabbleraiser..are you reading the same thread?

gess · 01/05/2007 21:28

er I didn't say it did.

I found her OP particularly unpleasant reading. One of the most unpleasant things I've read on here. So presumably we're quits.

In essence I entirely agree with MMMM.

GibbonInARibbon · 01/05/2007 21:28

thanks electra btw

TheMarvellousMadMadameMim · 01/05/2007 21:29

the point of MN can also be to learn things that you didn't previously know

I don't think the OP got slaughtered - particularly not by gess - but I do think there has been an awful lot of information aiming to adjust the OP's perception of exactly what can be done about these behaviours

Why is that wrong?

Should everybody just say - oh yes its the parents discipline to blame, tell her how she can control her child when patently that might not be an option - and should the child get a diagnosis of autism / ASD would certainly not be a solution

TheMarvellousMadMadameMim · 01/05/2007 21:29

PS I don't have a child with autism either

PPS Twiglett here btw

electra · 01/05/2007 21:29

In fact, gess has been remarkably eloquent and restrained where I couldn't be.

The child's SN is something you cannot just remove from the equation. It makes it a very different situation than if a NT child was exhibiting this behaviour.

gess · 01/05/2007 21:31

Oh hi Twig- well I agree with you.

rabbleraiser · 01/05/2007 21:34

SIGH ........... the little boy in question has not been diagnosed yet.

He might be a sociopath.

Who the fuck knows ?? (and I'm not a school governor so I can say that).

GibbonInARibbon · 01/05/2007 21:34

I had to post as the OP left me open mouthed.

GibbonInARibbon · 01/05/2007 21:35

my, you are spoiling for a fight tonight, aren't you?