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What do you think about the mumsnet books concept?

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Enid · 06/11/2001 15:16

I feel odd about it but I'm not sure why.

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Harrysmum · 06/11/2001 15:42

I think that it sounds great - as a first time mum this site has restored (given me even) faith in myself as a parent because it's by normal people, talking about things as they happen so you get the whole picture rather than just the neat resolution that many parenting books give. Those books just make me paranoid (except for GF!!!) If our (!) books are like the chat boards then I think that they have great potential. Maybe I just like the thought of perhaps seeing my (nick)name in print! Anything to ensure the survival of the site.

Faith · 06/11/2001 15:54

I think I've missed something here..what mumsnet books concept?! Please enlighten me.

Enid · 06/11/2001 15:57

sorry, here's a copy of the message for anyone that hasn't received it via email:

Dear Mumsnet member,

We need your help!

We are close to reaching an agreement with a publisher that could help secure the future of Mumsnet. If it goes ahead we will begin work on a series of parenting books based around content on the site.

As most of you will know the economic climate on the net has been a little chillier than an arctic winter over the last year or so leading to the demise of at least four other parenting sites since we launched Mumsnet in March 2000.

Because the Mumsnet team has now worked for 18 months without earning a bean, we've been able to keep the site going using our initial investment sum and our small revenues from advertising to meet running costs. But sooner or later we would face a tough decision on whether we could continue.

Now we have a great opportunity. The money promised for these Mumsnet books isn't huge, but it will go some way to covering our production costs for the year, although sadly it still won't run to a salary for any of the team.

What's really important, though, is that the publisher's willingness to commission the books is a vote of confidence in what we have built, and we believe they will do much to spread the word about Mumsnet and guarantee the site's long term future.

So where do you come in? The truth is that, though we'll do the work editing and organising them, these books will be largely written by you. Mumsnet has always been about sharing the expertise of our members and the books will embody the same principle: most of their content will be edited versions of chat threads on the site.

So what is it that we want? Well, three things actually. The first is your permission to use and edit any comments you have posted on the site in our books. Though we have copyright, we feel it's only right to ask your permission and are keen not to compromise your anonymity. If you're happy for us to use your postings and your chat nickname, you don't have to do anything; if you're not, or you would like your postings to appear under a different chat name, you should click on the link at the bottom.

Next we need you to help us produce the books. We'd like your help in filling out the topics on talk which are a bit thin. From time to time we may start a thread specifically with the aim of getting your thoughts on a particular subject for the book (if we do we'll tell you). What's more if you think there's a subject that should be covered and hasn't so far on the site, please go ahead and start a discussion.

Finally we need you to recommend/ buy the books - preferably by the dozen! We'll make sure to negotiate a special discount for Mumsnet members and, just think, half your Christmas and new baby present dilemmas will be solved at a stroke.

We have tried to be as open as possible about the book deal and the economic circumstances of Mumsnet because the site is, in many ways, as much yours as ours. We'd welcome any ideas you have about the books - or any other ways that we can keep Mumsnet alive.

Thanks to all of you for the contributions, support and enthusiasm that have helped make Mumsnet the most vibrant, useful and warm parenting site on the net - and, in advance, for your help with the books.

If you have any questions about any of this, please feel free to write to us at [email protected]

Justine, Carrie, Rachel and Steven.

To respond to give your consent but change your chat nickname or to withdraw your consent for your postings to be used, please click here now. If you do not respond by Nov 23, we will assume that you are happy for your postings to be used under your current chat nickname.

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Enid · 06/11/2001 16:01

You're right harrysmum - anything to secure the future of the site. I do agree, I just feel that part of the appeal of mumsnet is its immediacy and the way that threads 'grow' as people add their thoughts. Obviously that can't happen with a book. Also with a book you've got no come back if you read something that makes your blood boil! Having said all that I do find reading old 'dead' threads very interesting too, so can't really put my finger on why it seems slightly grating...

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Bells2 · 06/11/2001 16:02

I think it sounds great too. I have found Mumsnet to be a fantastic source of support, advice, humour etc etc and far more practical, worthwhile and reassuring than ANY parenting book.

Marina · 06/11/2001 16:21

If it keeps the site viable and the wolf from Justine & team's doors, then they should go for it. We can always opt for not having our contributions included. I think they've been more upfront than they needed to be under the strict terms of the copyright arrangements for mumsnet.
I agree about the immediacy and spontaneity of the site being one of its most positive aspects, it will be fascinating to see how that can be developed into a book.

Sid · 06/11/2001 16:59

I agree, Marina, it is nice to be asked even when you don't need to be, but I would love to know how the books will work. As others have said, part of the joy of Mumsnet is its immediacy - being able to chat as if you were in a room of friends and all that without having to face the consequences of what you say. So does that 'usp' (urgh, marketing speak) not vanish when you produce a book? But I would be devastated if Mumsnet were to go under - I'd have chucked my job (with its perk of a computer on a desk) a long time ago if it didn't exist, so am prepared to be persuaded that books will save it...

Kia · 06/11/2001 21:37

Go ahead, make my day!!!

Robin · 07/11/2001 07:36

It's nice to be asked (although I didn't get the e-mail as I hate getting lots of mail from sites). I don't feel totally wild about it but its better than the site folding. I wonder how many links it has to other sites (ups visitor numbers), why it doesn't encourage us to register it for any of the internet awards (Times published bafta awards really and the sites aren't that good), whether it fully exploits the potential for advertisers to sell us games, computer books etc. Like the Book People ought to advertise here after the free publicity they got a while back. This is the only site I've found that's any good past the baby stage - and hey advertisers we spent a lot on toys. Also lots of us are working again - so lots of potential to sell us big knickers and slimming aids!

Lizzer · 07/11/2001 11:28

I agree with Marina, and I'm very excited about it. I doubt anything I'll have written will be put in it as most is incomprehensible ramblings, but I'd love it if it were! Definitely be buying it for many people. The site's been a godsend for me, stumbled on by accident and I've never looked back. I really think anything to 'give' a bit back is perfectly acceptable.

LOL Robin - slimming aids would go down a treat with me!

Tigermoth · 07/11/2001 11:49

Yes, I am happy for mumsnet to be in print. I think the idea is a winner. I'd hate to see mumsnet go under and, to be honest, feel it should be making some money for Justine, Carrie, Rachel etc - anyone who has put in the hours to set it up and keep it running. Personally, if finances are tight, I'd be happy pay a registration charge - the site friendsreunited, for instance, charges £5.00.

Going back to the series of books, I have got some concerns about the content. It's one thing seeing your nickname in informative postings eg holidays, food, double buggies, potty training but, IMO, quite another to see your spur of the moment opinions, discussions and silly stuff in print. Will the books be mostly informative or will they stay true to the spirirt of mumsnet and cover a far broader spectrum of discussions? If it's the latter, I would like to know a little more about how editing decisions will be reached, and the proposed content of the series.

Tigermoth · 07/11/2001 12:10

Just another thought: I assume the time lag between the publishing deal being decided and the first book being printed will be what - 6 months? a year?. If mumsnet starts getting publicity regarding the books, do you think this will encourage some individuals or groups to start posting here with a definite mission? ie home educators. Much as I found their views interesting and mostly well-intentioned, very few of them have ever posted elsewhere on the site.
I'm not saying this is 'wrong' - everyone is entitled to an opinion and I very much like hearing viewpoints I have not considered - but would mumsnet be prey to more fundamentalist groups of one sort or another?

Rhiannon · 07/11/2001 12:20

Tigermoth, interesting point.

The only thread I really opened my heart on was the 'miserable mothers' one. I wouldn't like to see that in print. R.

Joe1 · 07/11/2001 12:48

Im ok by it, it will be interesting to see them. Everyone has helped along the way some way or other whether I have joined in or not and so they could help others, especially if they dont know about Mumsnet or dont have access to the net.

Judith1 · 07/11/2001 13:23

How about printing a monthly magazine too? I'm sure that would bring in some revnue.

Anibani · 07/11/2001 23:15

I have to agree that a Mumsnet book would make interesting reading. Sure, the USP isn't there, but nevertheless some of the very old threads do make very interesting reading - much more interesting than some of the more traditional / conventional Mother & Baby books available.

I do wonder how the editing would work, because in a sense each individual contribution to a thread is a product of the previous contributions. If an editor started deleting or amending parts of the 'conversation', this could distort the whole thing.

One thing's for sure, I wouldn't want to see Mumsnet disappear - I've only just found it and its a lifeline. I for one would be happy to pay a £5 registration fee, but I wouldn't like to see anyone who needs Mumsnet excluded for financial reasons.

What additional / other ways could there be of generating income? I'm sure that between us we have a HUGE array of experience... come on Mumsnetters, what other ideas are there?

Could there be money to be made for Mumsnet in providing data for Market Research? - could Justine et al organise a deal with (eg) a toy manufacturer, supermarket etc whereby we all fill in an on-line survey every 6 months?

Is Mumsnet a registered charity - could any money donated be tax efficient?

Chanelno5 · 08/11/2001 00:58

Just a thought, what about Mumsnetters doing one of those nudey calenders like that WI did?

Pamina · 08/11/2001 09:13

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Bugsy · 08/11/2001 10:17

I would hate to see Mumsnet go under as I love this website. Although I am happy for my posts to be used I have asked for my nickname to be changed as Bugsy is a childhood nickname and if enough of my posts were published I have a horrible feeling someone could work out who I am. Does that make sense?
I was also concerned about one post under "Unhelpful Grandparent Syndrome" and Justine said that they would make sure that it was not used.
I would also add that I would be happy to pay a registration fee of £5 or even an annual membership fee of £5.

Tigermoth · 08/11/2001 11:22

Bugsy, are you contacting Justine via 'contact us'? From time to time I have tried to post the odd message there, but suspect they are not getting through, or my email won't accept replies.

Bugsy · 08/11/2001 11:45

No, Tigermoth - I replied directly to the e-mail I was sent from Mumsnet regarding the publishing deal.

Tigermoth · 08/11/2001 11:51

Bugsy, I didn't recieve the orignal e mail announcing the publishing plans, so I have not got the email address. Please can you post it here? Thanks!!

Justiner · 08/11/2001 13:01

Tigermoth,
I think we must have incorrect details for you - I seem to remember we had some trouble getting through before... if you can mail us on [email protected] and we'll update your email address from your mail.
Thanks, Justine

Pamina · 08/11/2001 13:03

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Marina · 08/11/2001 13:17

Now that's a prize worth winning. Congratulations Pamina!