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What do you think about the mumsnet books concept?

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Enid · 06/11/2001 15:16

I feel odd about it but I'm not sure why.

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Tigermoth1 · 12/11/2001 10:34

Hi Justine, Sorry to cause more confusion. On Friday I updated the password details in my member profile, adding my correct email address. Hope it got through and you can now contact me direct. Please can you confirm this via my email? Thanks!

Lil · 12/11/2001 17:02

Curious why people are worried about anonimity, in that the whole world wide web can see what you've written at the moment, so putting it in book form won't change your risk of identity being sussed (if anyone could be bothered)!

Tigermoth1 · 12/11/2001 17:54

Lil, I have to say I agree with you - though reluctantly. I am still dithering about changing my nickname, but since I could be looked up here anyway and my answers matched, if anyone could be bothered, what's the point?

Just a small suggestion, especially on behalf of those using a computer at work. I take it that the actual times of postings won't be printed? Could cause some embarassment!

If anyone asks if you were so-an-so in the book, you can always say 'no, there are so many mumsnet users, is it any surprise that someone sounds like me?

Kia · 12/11/2001 18:25

I'd say 'Bloody hell, I wish!' and leave it at that!

Justiner · 12/11/2001 22:34

Hi all,
We've been incredibly touched by the many messages of support and offers of help we've received both on this thread and via email. It's been fantastically uplifting and filled us with renewed energy to keep mumsnet alive (and kicking).
We also appreciate the many great ideas we've received with regard financing. Robinw - thanks again for your thoughts but cost saving is not the answer - if we trimmed mumsnet's belt any further it would snap in half! It's revenue we need and we'll certainly be trying every suggested avenue and more to raise some.
Suedonim it's a good point you raise about the books and liablity. If they go ahead, the publisher will be marketing them as advice based on experience rather than qualifications.
As Chanelno5 we will have disclaimers. It will be very clearly stated that some "real" people dealt with their parenting difficulties this way, it may or may not work for you - no guarantees, no expertise (other than having children of course), no liablility. We'll also run the book past a doctor and a lawyer before publication and in the worst case (and I'm sure it won't come to this) were there any liability it would be mumsnet's not individual mumsnet members'. Tigermoth - we won't be including dates and times of messages.
With regard to questions about format of the book, the truth is, it's yet to be completely decided. When we pitched the idea to publishers we said we're looking forward to working with an editor to present the material in the best/easiest to use way (put another way - you're the experts, you tell us how to present it). What I can tell you is that the intention is that they should be both a manual (e.g. look up "sleep" in the index - turn to pages x-x, get some great tips on how to get a newborn to settle etc) and a stand alone cover to cover read.
We promise to keep you in the picture with regard further developments: when/if we've signed a contract, when they're likely to appear, what they're going to cover etc. In the meantime, thanks again and keep the suggestions coming,
Justine, Carrie and Rachel.

Kia · 12/11/2001 22:40

Could you get Penelope Leach to sign my copy please?!

Bossykate · 13/11/2001 06:54

i'm not a fan either, kia, try reading the bit on how to stop your baby nursing to sleep if you want a really good (but entirely mirthless) laugh! sorry, off topic!

Robinw · 13/11/2001 07:07

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Lil · 13/11/2001 10:37

Robin, don't tell him about the book - I'm sure he won't find out any other way. men never seem to read baby books anyway!!

Tigermoth · 13/11/2001 13:29

Talking about books and husbands, the prospect of mumsnet being in print seems to be having a positive effect on mine so far.

When I told him the news a few days ago I noticed he seemed rather thoughtful. He's pretty good on the domestic and childcare front, anyway,(though I still have quibbles) but he's now gone to great pains to stress how much he helps around the home and cares for the children - and has increased his efforts too.

Could this be fear? Ahh power......

Tigermoth · 19/11/2001 12:06

A thought occurred to me at the weekend. We are talking about changing nicknames in the book to preserve our anonymity. What about changing the names of the discussions? or amalgamating two or more together? I assume the latter is something that is bound to happen anyway, since there are so many discussions around the same topic. But for stand alone discussions, especially, a change of name means the resulting edited 'book' messages and nicknames can't be easily matched with their unedited counterparts on the site.

This may be too obvious a suggestion - I assume any editing will naturally take into account discussion names - but if nicknames change and discussion titles don't, that will affect the degree of anonymity, won't it?

Personally, I think I'm happy about keeping my nickname, but would prefer the names of the discussions to change. Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Robinw · 20/11/2001 06:29

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justiner · 13/05/2002 09:57

Dear Mumsnet member,

First of all, a huge thank you to the dozens of you who sent us fantastically supportive messages after we wrote to you in November about the possibility of using material on mumsnet - particularly your contributions to our talk boards - as the basis for a series of parenting books. Your enthusiasm for the project, and goodwill towards mumsnet in general, was really heartening. (If you have joined since November and have no idea what this is all about you can find a copy of the last mail below.)

Anyway, first the good news: we have signed a deal to produce two books - one on Babies (due to be published in March 2003) and one on Pregnancy (Autumn 2003). Even better, as we've begun to work on them we've realised just how great they are going to be: funny, accessible and packed with common sense from the real parenting experts - you. So please keep sharing your infinite wisdom - and good jokes - on the Talk boards. Nearer the publication date, we'll be asking for your help to publicise the books and, more importantly, buy them in stupefyingly large quantities. (At a discount of course!)

Now the slightly less good news: while we are optimistic that the first two mumsnet books (and the ones that we hope will follow) will be runaway bestsellers that secure the future of mumsnet and allow us all to buy jazzy new mouse mats, the advance we have received for them falls well short of our running costs.

As we explained in November, none of us have been paid since the launch of mumsnet in March 2000, which is how we've managed to keep going while so many other parenting sites have disappeared. But there are other costs to be met and we won't be able to go on working for nothing forever, so given that the climate for advertising and e-commerce is still so poor, we need to find other ways of raising money. Following our November mail-out, many of you suggested you would be willing to pay a subscription fee for mumsnet. We are reluctant to charge a compulsory subscription fee because we think one of the reasons mumsnet is as good as it is now is because of the sheer volume of people contributing to our talk boards and product reviews (the other reason is that the quality of contributions is so high). What's more we don't think good advice should be available only to those who can afford to pay for it.

However, one possibility we're considering is a voluntary subscription system that would allow those of you who are willing and able to contribute to the costs of mumsnet to do so. A number of American sites have started using a similar model and it appeals to us because it should not deter anyone from using mumsnet plus it reflects the fact that really this is as much your site as ours. Over the next few weeks we'll be looking into the details of operating such a system but in the meantime, we'd love to know your thoughts, particularly on the level of any contribution you might be willing to make.

Thanks again for your help and support,
Justine, Carrie, Rachel and Steven

Mail out to members sent in November:
Dear Mumsnet member,

We need your help!

We are close to reaching an agreement with a publisher that could help secure the future of Mumsnet. If it goes ahead we will begin work on a series of parenting books based around content on the site.

As most of you will know the economic climate on the net has been a little chillier than an arctic winter over the last year or so leading to the demise of at least four other parenting sites since we launched Mumsnet in March 2000.

Because the Mumsnet team has now worked for 18 months without earning a bean, we've been able to keep the site going using our initial investment sum and our small revenues from advertising to meet running costs. But sooner or later we would face a tough decision on whether we could continue.

Now we have a great opportunity. The money promised for these Mumsnet books isn't huge, but it will go some way to covering our production costs for the year, although sadly it still won't run to a salary for any of the team.

What's really important, though, is that the publisher's willingness to commission the books is a vote of confidence in what we have built, and we believe they will do much to spread the word about Mumsnet and guarantee the site's long term future.

So where do you come in? The truth is that, though we'll do the work editing and organising them, these books will be largely written by you. Mumsnet has always been about sharing the expertise of our members and the books will embody the same principle: most of their content will be edited versions of chat threads on the site.

So what is it that we want? Well, three things actually. The first is your permission to use and edit any comments you have posted on the site in our books. Though we have copyright, we feel it's only right to ask your permission and are keen not to compromise your anonymity. If you're happy for us to use your postings and your chat nickname, you don't have to do anything; if you're not, or you would like your postings to appear under a different chat name, you should click on the link at the bottom.

Next we need you to help us produce the books. We'd like your help in filling out the topics on talk which are a bit thin. >From time to time we may start a thread specifically with the aim of getting your thoughts on a particular subject for the book (if we do we'll tell you). What's more if you think there's a subject that should be covered and hasn't so far on the site, please go ahead and start a discussion.

Finally we need you to recommend/ buy the books - preferably by the dozen! We'll make sure to negotiate a special discount for Mumsnet members and, just think, half your Christmas and new baby present dilemmas will be solved at a stroke.

We have tried to be as open as possible about the book deal and the economic circumstances of Mumsnet because the site is, in many ways, as much yours as ours. We'd welcome any ideas you have about the books - or any other ways that we can keep Mumsnet alive.

Thanks to all of you for the contributions, support and enthusiasm that have helped make Mumsnet the most vibrant, useful and warm parenting site on the net - and, in advance, for your help with the books.

If you have any questions about any of this, please feel free to write to us at [email protected]

Justine, Carrie, Rachel and Steven.

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Enid · 13/05/2002 11:11

Its impossible to put a value on the help that mumsnet has been to me (i.e I would be happy to pay a subscription charge)!

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debster · 13/05/2002 11:28

I would be bereft without the support of Mumsnet and would willingly pay a subscription of £5 to keep it going. Let's face it it's loads better value than buying one of the parenting magazines at £2-3 a month and you get fantastic personalised advice when you want it.

Keep up the good work guys

WideWebWitch · 13/05/2002 11:34

I would also be happy to pay a subscription charge. I'm not sure what I think the amount should be, but perhaps, if it's voluntary, you could have a sliding scale of suggested subscriptions with check boxes that say:
A) I can't afford it, sorry
B) I'm happy to pay £5 like friendsreunited
C) I'm can afford £20 and it's worth it so here it is
D) Well, I can sacrifice one night out to dinner to pay for this, so here's £50.
E) Happy to pay more than this: here's my contribution.

Congrats on getting the book deal. I haven't been here long but I'm addicted and can't believe how helpful and supportive this site has been. I'd hate to see it go.

Marina · 13/05/2002 11:42

I think www and all the others so far have been spot on - this site is a godsend and I have been utterly hooked for over two years. I have made new friends off and online and gained good advice so often.
I would be more than happy to pay up on a regular basis to keep it going. Justine, keep us all posted and good luck with the publication details.

tigermoth · 13/05/2002 11:47

Same here!

Like www's idea about choosing the level of contribution you wish to make.

Ems · 13/05/2002 11:51

Echo WWW sliding scale idea. Congrats on the deal Justine, think its a great idea.

elwar · 13/05/2002 11:56

Me too. More than happy to pay for such a wonderful service.

Viv · 13/05/2002 12:35

Looking forward to seeing the books, great news.
I too am more than happy to pay for this service and like www's sliding scale idea.

batey · 13/05/2002 12:40

I'd be happy to pay a voluntary contribution, but would rather pay by post than on-line. Still dont quite feel comfy with putting all my money details "out there"!

Gillan · 13/05/2002 13:10

Agree with you Batey about posting payment if poss. otherwise have absolutely no objection and think sliding scale of charges is a great idea.

bossykate · 13/05/2002 13:10

would be happy to contribute. like www's sliding scale idea - it's what many charities do. have you thought about becoming a registered charity? you would be able to claim back the tax on the subscriptions/donations paid by members, and there may be other benefits.

congratulations on your acumen - can't wait to see the books!