D'y ever wonder how many men have been lost in your ample bosom?

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PMSL

I didn't want to be the one to do it! I promise next time I will sellotape my fingers.

Working on it dingdong

Thinking of you and your family charleymouse.x

Thanks for posting CM. I think you did a wonderful thing having the photo of them both together. So important for you all. Much love and if I can do anything...holler babe!

Oooggs: email me on lovelymarslady at aol dot com and I'll give you my number and we'll sort your feeding out babe.

Hello all, and a very happy Easter. I have made it to 35wks!!! So thats it, he can jolly well come out if he really wants too. Im hoping i manage another few weeks yet though, i want him with me not whisked away the SCBU.

I think we have a name too but will keep it a surprise. How very organised of me, normally the register office are phoning me up nagging.

OOGS your babies sound yummy, i really hope the breastfeeding takes off. Im far too lazy to bottle feed and have fond memories of feeding both boys, held like rugby balls under each arm

We have had 2 May mummies have their babies early. Charleymouse and her lovely boys and Lupins who has had a lovely boy too, called Arlen. He is doing really well like George. Too soon for them but babies have other ideas.

I have just come in to say hello but read the post about CM's Benjamin. I can't think now and have to go and come back later .

Thinking of you CM.

Dearest Charleymouse,
What a very brave mouse you are, so very pleased you have had the photo of your beloved boys together, so so important. Your loss is devastating, but George will mean you will also always have Benjamin with you, I do not understand why these sad unbelievable things happen, but there must be a reason, I lost Matthew, but Thomas has so much of him in him, I truly feel I have been given him back in some way. Lots of love to you xxxxx

Morning ladies! How are we all doing?

Getting through Easter okay? How many chocolate eggs have yours been through? My sisters descend today and so the skies the limit. They bring billions with them!

just got back from holiday - so completely out of the loop. But have just seem charleymouses sad news - a sad end to a very stressful pregnancy. Sounds like little Benjamin did well to get as far as he did. Best wishes for George.

CM, many congratulations on the birth of George and Benjamin. Deeply, deeply sad for you that Benjamin was only with you for such a short time. Its something that is really difficult to imagine how you are feeling or know what to say. Lots of love to George, great to hear he is getting stronger and good luck with the breastfeeding. Take good care of yourself, I hope you have a fast recovery.
L xxxx

Charleymouse, so so sorry. Look after yourself. Thinking of you and your family xxx

Wow, its been busy while i have been offline!

Congratulations 1b3 - beautiful, beautiful babies!
Congratulations Ooogs!

1b3 - We have 2 cot beds for the dts, they sleep in one together at night upstairs and the other we have downstairs in the living room which is at the moment big enough for htem to play in safely away from ds1. Its been a good solution (although more than once when my back has been turned ds1 has climbed in the bed with them ), they play on the floor as well now and ds1 is amazingly, surprisingly gentle and good with them. A friend has a big playpen which is really stable and the base can be raised up so if you have the room (or money) for one it looks like a good idea.

Ooogs, the dts are 7 weeks now and fully breastfed. At the beginning (as soon as both were feeding well) I tandem fed for most feeds which helped get them into the same rythmn, but enjoy feeding them separately much more. I think if you have a special twin feeding pillow it could be fine, but I find the babies slide down and end up take too much air in, I end up in a funny position and I don't enjoy feeding them like that. I am actually finding it easier ot feed these two than I did ds1, but I have had a lot of support. I find that I don't have enough time to cuddle and carry the babies so the feeding time is also a bit of cuddle time with them. I also think that bottle feeding 2 babies would be such a hassle, too much organisation to pack everything up for a day out.

LG&T, I've missed out on the difficulties you are having with your pregnancy. Good luck, hope not to hear your birth announcement for at least a couple of weeks yet!

FG - we took the dts to the cranial osteopath on Saturday. They definitely settled better to sleep in the night after that but the wind doesn't seem to be any better. Toby tends to sleep too much on one side and is getting a bit flat headed on that side so hopefully the CO will help sort that out as well.

The last 2 nights have been fantastic , ds1 has missed his daytime sleep so has been in bed and alseep really early. Last night I managed to go out on my bike for a short ride which was great.
I really want to go swimming, the pool in Zurich has crèche on today from 8-11, but as hard as I tried I didn't manage to get out of the house in time to get there, so here I am instead catching up with you all.... looks as if my time is up!

Lots of love to you all xxx!

Glad it is going well Leo! The babies sound yummy, i want one.

The twins have been away tom stay with their dad for a week and since they have come back im at their behaviour. They are rude, answering back, selfish to their brothers and sister. I just cant believe it, they have always been so good. I just told one off for poking and terrorising the 2 year old as he wanted to go to sleep and as i had said we were going to a friends house he didnt want him to sleep! They have never said "no" to me but it seems to be all im hearing.

I feel like a failure, i have managed to keep them as lovely boy's and one week with their dad (who has only really just shown any interest in the last year) has ruined it all. Im sure they must prefer going to stay with him, he doesnt tell them off and lets them do what they like pretty much. Also it is just him with them so they dont have to compete with 3 other siblings for my attention. They come home and get told off Gah, bad mother guilt washing over me.

Hello to everyone else, hope you are all enjoying the Easter hols, i loathe the school run, long may it stay away.......

Charleymouse, congratulations on the birth of George and Benjamin. I am so so sorry that Benjamin was only with you for 9 hours but I'm so pleased for you that you have a photo of the two of them together. I can't begin to imagine the gamut of emotions you are going through at the moment, but I hope George continues his good progress and is home with you soon. Take care. Thinking of you.

TKB
xx

lg&t... you stay consistent and firm. They will come back. They're testing your boundaries to make sure that they are still there. Just because waste of space probably spent his guilt filled week doing what they wanted doesn't mean that your boys are no longer the lovely boys you've grown. Stay firm. I promise all will come good!

Yes, CharleyMouse, we are so sad for you. It must be so awful when you've painted a picture of how your future will look and prepared for it then everything changes in just a few hours. We mourn for your lost dreams but SO happy to hear that George is doing okay. Really hope that you have room to mourn and to celebrate too. So much love and hugs xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Thank you Mars, i really hope they come back to me. I feel like i am having to come down on them like a ton of bricks, made more tricky by the fact we are not in our house and staying with the inlaws. They are getting told off for doing things that dont ordinarily warrant a telling off and extra shoutings for being rude!

This parenting malarky is a nightmare. They are currently (2 year old included) racing the length and breadth of the house playing spy's. Walky talky and a James Bond base unit adding to the tremendous noise, it doesnt bother me in the slightest. I just know that when everyone comes in from work at tea time they will have to be calm

I cant even run them round the park or take them to the beech as im still supposed to be 'resting' > Even im not brave enough to go more than 20mins from the hospital with 5 of them alone.

Never mind, it's not for long. Im so lucky to have them all, just reading poor Charleymouses post's put it all in to perspective.

Hope everyone else is ok, our May thread has been popping babies like mad and it's only April!

I agree lg&t, we spent Easter at my parents which in some ways is lovely, with the extra hands and entertainment and stuff, but sometimes people forget that kids are not designed to sits still and stay quiet! Had a few incidents where they were getting told off for things and I was thinking 'stop it, you'll just make it worse!' but its difficult when you're in someone else's house, you don't want to complain. I suppose we get used to the chaos and noise and forget that other people find it difficult to ignore.

Have your oldest two settled down now?

No, still being mini monsters! I hope another few days of me screaming like a banshee will work

They just seem so nonplussed by it all, im getting those rolling eyes and "oh whatever's" from them.....grrrrrrrr

Maybe it's the hormones kicking in early? They are only bloomin 8!

I may eat some more cake and ponder on it. anyone else? It is Nigella's old fashioned choc cake, mmmmmmm

Just saying hi.

charleymouse, how's things? Remember we are here for you anytime you need us.

LG&T, sorry to hear about it. It sounds like the heady combination of their return from their dad and change of house/life all at the same time. I don't feel qualified to offer big advice and I can only say, do as normal, keep boundaries the same as they always were and try to find time/a situation where they/you can have a happy time together to show them that that is what you like.

Do you have any old photos with you of when they were little? (prob not top of the list as you packed for Plymouth ) My dd1 adores looking at old pictures and chatting with me about what she was like then. Its a good way to re-affirm happy feelings (they laugh and you sit close) and with your new baby on the way it would remind them that they too had oodles of love heaped upon them from you and that they are also still your babies. Good to do this before your new one arrives and they (subconsiously) have the love bagged and tagged for the summer Keep us posted and good luck with it.

How is everyone? Is Kelly in Nice? Is Overrun overrun? Is Mars cooking? doula-ing? salsa-ing? Has HM emigrated? Shake your tail feathers girls!!!!

anyone?

I am about....being a bad mum and spending too much time on here..i find the 'am i being unreasonable' thread amazing.....

i am a bad mum..very bad mum....

beach tmrw kids...promise.xxx

In my useless-means-nothing-to-anyone-but-bullfrogs opinion, leaving kids to their own devices does wonders for their imaginitive play, teaches them the value of time, shows them that siblings are important friends, lets them be comfortable with their own company.....the list is endless

Exactly frumpy, my three are all Nintendoing atm, but I feel no guilt as we have spent an hour this morning doing extra maths, they need it!Also been out to my brothers for a couple of hours, he kindly showed them how to burn with a magnifying glass in his garden! We went to view a house, vendors didn`t turn up! Really like the look of it, but got to sell mine first Anyone want to buy nice house by the sea, cats, kids, husband optional extras!

Nintendoing, oooooh i want a wii. Have one at the top of my 30th birthday list in August, lol

lg&t...DD1 is always a complete nightmare when she comes home after a stay at my mum's. I think it's a combination of having been spoilt, having had sole attention lavished on her for a few days and wanting to push my buttons in a way just cos she can . Whilst I find it very difficult to do, FG's advice of trying to maintain the same boundaries as usual is my tactic (although I always end up shouting a lot ). I really like FG's idea of looking through their baby photos, but as she says, probably not top of your list for packing. Must be even harder when you're not in your own comfort zone. So at the end of that ramble, no advice, but lots of empathy and sympathy.

We had a lovely easter w/e at home enjoying the weather. This w/e we're off to eastbourne with a friend who has 4 boys (4, 3 and 15mth old twins ) which should be fun as it's supposed to stay sunny and warm. It'll be the DTs first beach experience...hope they like it otherwise spain at the end of the month will be a bit boring for them .

Oh, Charleymouse. I can't begin to imagine what you're going through. I'm so pleased that you've got George but devastated about Benjamin. I'm so, so sorry. Lots of love to you.