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Week 5 Pre-Christmas Low Carb Bootcamp

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BIWI · 14/11/2021 22:31

Evening/morning all (depending on what time you’re reading this!)

As ever, here’s the link to The Spreadsheet of Fabulousness.

We now enter week 5. Hopefully we’re through the doldrums of weeks 3 & 4, and you should start to see the scales moving for you again. Remember that we’re still doing strict Bootcamp during the week (you are, aren’t you? Hmm), only relaxing things a little at the weekend.

I’m also hopeful that by now this WOE is becoming more of a habit for you – if you’re new to low carbing – and that you’re enjoying it, rather than feeling that you’re on a deprivation diet. (If ever you’re wondering about this, just pop over to any of the low calorie threads in the weight loss section, and see just how different the posts/themes are on those – very rarely are they about enjoying delicious food!).

If you haven’t already done so, please go and check out the recipe threads, which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic. There are some fantastic recipes there, and even if you don’t choose any of them, they should give you some inspiration for your own cooking.

For this week’s recipe, I’ve chosen something very comforting. I’ve been reading various weather forecasts which say we’re in for some cold weather over the next couple of weeks, so this seemed appropriate:

Low Carb Shepherd's Pie

serves 6

3 large/5 small leeks (about the number you will get in a pack from Sainsbury) sliced
1/2 head of celery, sliced
500g beef mince (not lean - go for a high fat mince)
1 OXO cube
1 whole celeriac, peeled and chopped into chunks
2 banana/echalion shallots (Sainsbury's sell these - long and thin rather than round - but I guess ordinary shallots would be fine - you need around 75g)
Grated cheese

  • Fry your beef first, in olive oil in a large frying pan, and season with salt, pepper and when browned, crumble in the OXO cube
  • In a large saucepan, fry the leeks and celery in butter with a splash of olive oil (Adding the oil helps to prevent the butter from burning)
  • When softened, add the mince and then cover with water and simmer for 30 minutes, with the pan lid on
  • After 30 minutes, take the lid off and reduce the amount of liquid (it needs to be reasonably dry - but do this to your own taste)
  • While the meat is cooking, boil your celeriac in a large pan of salted water, till tender - this will take 20-25 minutes
  • Drain and mash - either by hand or with a stick blender.
  • Thinly slice the shallots and fry gently till nicely browned, in butter with a splash of oil, then mix into the mash
  • Put the meat into an oven-proof dish and spread the mash on top of it. Top with the grated cheese and bake for around 20 minutes in a hot oven until the cheese is browned.

32g for the whole thing; 5.4g carbs per portion if serving 6 people.

The specific weights of the veg I used, if you want to be really anal about carb counts (!) were:

leeks - 427g
celery 213g
celeriac - 596g
shallots - 78g

and an OXO cube is 1.8g carbs.

One final thing

I always make a plea, at the start of each Bootcamp, that posters read all the posts on the thread. Not only is it poor thread etiquette not to, but it’s also very frustrating when people post or ask about things that have been written about, or linked to, earlier in the thread.

I’m not going to name any names (yet!) but it’s very obvious when this happens. And also, by not reading all the posts you miss out on so much key information!

Anyway, that’s it from me. Over and out, and here’s wishing all of us a good, satisfying and tasty low carb week Flowers

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missfliss · 18/11/2021 21:27

Hi all - thanks for the new thread . I've not been mega strict - I've not really eaten 'off plan ' ie no carb heavy or sugary food or anything -but had a few nuts etc.
I haven't weighed myself for a couple of weeks as getting a bit dispirited with no real loss at all. So trying to just keep on keeping on.
Have been extremely stressed at work and my comfort food / sugar cravings are back. Not relented but trying to 'crowd them out ' with cheese / cured meats instead

JunieSpoony · 19/11/2021 02:04

Can anyone recommend a good intro book to LC? A basic science guide, not (necessarily) recipes?

FusionChefGeoff · 19/11/2021 07:18

@JunieSpoony I think Why We Eat (too much) is usually recommended and I've just started reading it and am enjoying it so far.

Weighed this morning and have shifted 2.5lbs (of water!) since Monday which is great.

Am back on the IF pattern too which is a good sign and speaking to the BWNT therapy woman later today so am feeling very positive. Keen to make sure my objective with her is NOT I want to lose weight but more that I want to accept my body is a healthy weight and remove the need to binge eat. As I think if I can do those two things I would be much much happier - regardless of the number on the scales.

Struggling for ideas for tonight - what are your weekend / 'treat' meals as I've got a bit longer to prep today??

Jollyholibobs · 19/11/2021 08:07

@FusionChefGeoff glad to hear you in a better place. Why we eat too much is a good read.

@prettybird cute Santa hats.

@Andi2020 hope DD is not too poorly.

@JunieSpoony I also liked Why We Eat (too much) also Escape the Diet Trap John Briffa.

I can see progress on the scales and have been working on my mindset with some useful reading.

L Green soup, home made coleslaw Roquefort, avocado
D courgetti and aubergine parmigiana

Jollyholibobs · 19/11/2021 08:12

@FusionChefGeoff my weekend treat meal is Celeriac steaks. Slow roasted whole, clean celeriac with the skin on roasted for 2.5 hrs. Rubbed with olive oil and salt and pricked 40 times with a fork first before you roast it. When it’s done it’s will have oozed some lovely caramelised goo. Cut it into steaks brush with the goo and grill. Serve with café de Paris sauce. It’s an ottelenghi recipe from the Flavour book.

BIWI · 19/11/2021 08:34

@JunieSpoony

Can anyone recommend a good intro book to LC? A basic science guide, not (necessarily) recipes?
@JunieSpoony the book @FusionChefGeoff has recommended is really good - it's also very current, so references the latest science.

Have you had a look at the resources on the spreadsheet? Some great books/videos/blogs etc on there.

Other good books are The Diet Delusion, by Gary Taubes, Escape the Diet Trap by Dr John Briffa, The Obesity Code by Dr Jason Fung and (something a bit more technical if you like the sciencey stuff!) The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living, and The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance - both by Drs Phinny and Volek.

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venusandmars · 19/11/2021 10:48

Like other posters I am feeling back in the zone with this woe and IF. It is interesting how a planned step away for a special event leaves me with a long tail of desire for carbs - including biscuits which I'm not usually very tempted by.

So... today, coffee with cream
L - chicken and veg soup; boiled agg mashed with butter
D - meat loaf, salad, coleslaw made with cabbage and kohl rabi

My return to the meat loaf was inspired by BIWIs picture of the bacon lattice dish.

I lay strips of streaky bacon in a loaf tin, then fill the middle with beef mince, ground almonds, shallot, parsley, egg, and plenty of seasoning (including nutmeg). Wrap bacon over the top and bake at180 for 1.5 hours. Really delicious. Best served cold so great for taking to work for lunch.

venusandmars · 19/11/2021 10:52

This is about a third of it...

Week 5 Pre-Christmas Low Carb Bootcamp
Week 5 Pre-Christmas Low Carb Bootcamp
Rayna37 · 19/11/2021 11:16

Missed much of the drama as often a bit behind but will say this group's been great for me! Was well into Low Carb but really struggling with the baby weight- mainly the mindset of injustice "I didn't eat this on, why do I have to diet it off?!" BIWIs rules gave me the structure and discipline to get serious. I know what I can tolerate and spend much of my time moderating but I also know exactly what to do when I need to lose a few lbs half a stone.

@FusionChefGeoff I make a "porridge" including chia seeds sometimes- add things like any combo of ground almonds, dessicated coconut, mixed seeds, ground flax/linseed etc and maybe some frozen berries and/nut butter, plus whole milk. Totally customisable. While allowed it's definitely more for maintenance or an occasional treat than a daily breakfast.

Also on Weekend special recipes- anything that needs a lot of chopping or a big ingredients list! Ratatouille, dauphinois, curries from scratch.

Having some success varying my boring repetitive salad-based packed lunches for winter! Needs a bit of planning as it's such a change of mindset for me but cooking more tray baked veg dishes that I can heat up here in the microwave could be a game changer. Really not into soup but this is much nicer.

Wildheartsease · 19/11/2021 12:06

Tried my scales this morning... and discovered that I was higher than my start weight!

Then got off the scales and they were still registering nearly half a stone.

That might explain last week's unexpected reading too.

Oh well - I know that this works. I just don't now know how well.

JunieSpoony · 19/11/2021 13:21

I bet that was a shock, @Wildheartsease. (Are you a Wildhearts fan?)

Thanks for the book recs. I hadn’t actually spotted that page on the SoF, @BIWI, so will check it out.

Wildheartsease · 19/11/2021 13:58

@JunieSpoony

I bet that was a shock, *@Wildheartsease*. (Are you a Wildhearts fan?)

Thanks for the book recs. I hadn’t actually spotted that page on the SoF, @BIWI, so will check it out.

More viola-player that Metal fan Grin - though I have my moments. (I'll listen to them.)
venusandmars · 19/11/2021 17:46

@Wildheartsease I hope you are noticing other positive signs, even if the scales are wonky. Clothes a little looser? Skin brighter? Digestion quieter? Hunger easing?

I've just made a delicious slaw to go with my meat loaf and salad. It has kohl rabi, carrot, cabbage, mayo, hoseradish, cream cheese, capers, and grated cheese. A meal in itself!

Moanranger · 19/11/2021 23:34

I made BIWIs Shepherds pie, but nearly had a crisis as I got the ingredients out & then tried to get on Mumset to follow recipe but the site was “ unavailable”! Then started prep/cooking from memory, 20 min later, tried Mumsnet again & it was back, so just able to get the recipe right, and I must say very delicious indeed! My only problem is OH ate half of it ! (Supposed to serve 4). He scarfs the Cheeseburger pie too!
I’m am still strict, but as it was Friday of a busy & stressful week, I started “ bargaining “ with myself. Does any one else do this? Mental run-through of possible beverages “ what if I had a small glass of red wine?” “ What if I had vodka & sugar free tonic” Then I wrestle with these thoughts for awhile.
I didn’t give in, and it passed.
Today, omelette with avocado & a bit of cheese, Shepherd’s pie, much water, fizzy, hot, herb tea, etc

missfliss · 20/11/2021 07:57

Feeling quite dispirited and tired today - not with this WOE which I think is good overall - I am not seeing weight loss really but other NSVs like more sustained energy over the day and ( I think) a flatter tummy.

Feel like I need a recommendation for something to give me a mental boost abs take the focus away from weight loss abs more about the other benefits of this WOE in relation to stabilizing glucose levels etc.

I am thinking the Jason fung book below might be a good place to start?

I'm also struggling with the 'never again' mentality - do I never eat bread again? So I never drink a glass of wine again? I have significant brain fog and I can't really remember how you marry up this WOE with some flexibility in the long run.

Sorry poitinless musing - I've just been having a very difficult few weeks and been living on adrenaline at work and now crashing at weekends!!

FusionChefGeoff · 20/11/2021 08:20

@missfliss maintenance looks different for everyone as far as I have seen. If the ' Evers' are causing issues then take it one day at a time so just I'm not eating bread today.

Personally, I'm not good with never so see my maintenance (when I can handle it!) as being the occasional 'day off' if I'm going out for a meal for example where I don't want to compromise and there's nothing BC friendly.

Or when I went to Rome I had 4 days off and although I didn't eat plates of pasta / bread / pastries / desserts at absolutely every meal (as I would in the past) I certainly enjoyed the times I did Grin

Glenthebattleostrich · 20/11/2021 09:08

Good morning!

@missfliss, i have spent quite a lot of time finding low carb alternatives so this way of eating will stick long term. The bread recommend by BIWI upthread is amazing and saved us last week when we were at a family do where the food was breaded carbs basically. Cheesies are a great crisp alternative and are basically baked cheese. I dont feel even slightly like I'm missing out at the moment.

I won't say I will never eat bread again because that is a lie. I love bread so yes, when not on bootcamp, I will have an occasional bit. Ditto crisps, chocolate etc. In my opinion (and it's just what is working for me) the never attitude is what causes the falling off the wagon. It's like once you have some bread, sod it the diet is ruined so I may as well eat all the carbs in the universe kind of thing.

Sneaky weigh in this morning takes me to a total of 8lb off so far this bootcamp. This is when I am on steroids for my asthma and the week before my period so I am incredibly happy.

Today is scrambled egg for breakfast. For lunch I am meeting a friend and it is a carb heavy menu so probably going for a bunless burger with salad. Im at a friend's birthday party tonight which is charcuterie board with extra cheese so lots of good options. Drinks will be gin and slimline tonic.

Jollyholibobs · 20/11/2021 09:47

@missfliss I’m still practicing with maintenance and for me it is about developing my mindset to think of this as a healthy way of eating for the rest of my life. That doesn’t mean that I will never have another carby food like a slice of sourdough, but I am changing my view of foods that I would previously have regarded as treats and finding them rather unappealing. So I have practically stopped any feeling of loss or deprivation because I no longer want the those things. Lots of reading about nutrition and emotional eating has helped me see things differently it hasn’t just happened with this woe on its own. I’ve got a history of disordered eating though so probably not best person to offer advice.

Still in bed here with a black coffee and a book+ my favourite MN thread.

Planning to make a pot of green soup today to last through the week for lunches.
L green soup, Roquefort and big salad.
D smoked haddock, poached egg, buttery steamed chard and broccoli.

Have a great day everyone. Remember your water those of you like me who find it more difficult at the weekend when not in your daily work routine.

mrshoho · 20/11/2021 10:10

Good morning and happy Saturday to everyone. I'm keeping on and feeling pretty good. I've not posted my meals as they are not very interesting. For speed I've been doing our normal family meals substituting the carbs with cauliflower or salad. The cheeseburger pie was a success though and kept me going at lunchtimes as I froze individual portions. I received my delivery from Seriously Low carb and must say I'm very impressed. I ordered bread, rolls and brownies but to be used for special occasions only lol. I'm at the end of week 3 as I joined late this time but can see and feel the difference already. My clothes are fitting better and my skin is brighter. Here's a few before/after from week 1 to week 3. As you can see I gain most of my excess weight around my middle. It doesn't look drastically different but the bloating has reduced so much.

mrshoho · 20/11/2021 10:14

sorry I messed up the pics. here they are I think

mrshoho · 20/11/2021 10:15

and here

Jollyholibobs · 20/11/2021 10:58

@mrshoho great pics and some really positive NSVs. Your easy substitution of the carbs that the rest of the family are eating is the great simplicity of this WOE.

Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to to the rest in the series!

putthehamsterbackinitscage · 20/11/2021 11:05

@mrshoho well done - both on being grave and posting and in the losses so far. There is a visible difference already!

Hadn't posted on this week's thread so far as I've been busy so just about managed to read the posts and it all moved so quickly when the poster flounced too.

I'm thinking I need to consider moving to BC lite and maintenance as I'm close to target on my Renpho scales and below target on my other digital scales - the 2 results vary by between 4 and 8 lbs on a daily basis. Also, looking in the mirror, whilst there is still possibly more I could lose off bum/hips, the rest of me is as slim as I want to go.

Can anyone offer suggestions on how to gradually change to a maintenance woe? I know sugar is an issue for me so I will try to stay away from sweet stuff but maybe allow the odd portion of carbs back in when eating out...

putthehamsterbackinitscage · 20/11/2021 11:11

@Jollyholibobs - I'm interested in comparing notes on maintenance too... you seem to be in a good mindset - I need to try to get there and find a balance and be able to relax about letting some carbs in - I find it stressful eating out etc and looking for bc compliant foods so then get stressed/seem obsessive to DH ( he commented yesterday that I "don't have to stick to LLC all the time" as I chose a Camembert starter and left the roasted bread...

putthehamsterbackinitscage · 20/11/2021 11:18

@missfliss - I know what you mean about needing a pick me up but not so much not loving Lc eating.

I get what you mean about busy/adrenaline too - maybe the less daylights isn't helping?

The never again doesn't work for me but I think it's about finding a way to moderate and I have no real suggestions as that's where I struggle too...

Sorry all - putting lots of small posts on as catching up whilst in the car....