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NotaFreeloader · 08/05/2020 13:36

On announcing my pregnancy I have comments from 4 different people 2 question have I decided to have another just so I ‘don’t have to work’
Another saying we just want a bigger house
Then someone else saying I must not have been careful with contraception- this was a planned baby

For a start yes I do intend to work once the youngest is at school. Whenever that may be and I have a Dh who works and supports us
I don’t want to move we have plenty of room
If I worked now it’d cost the government a LOT for helping with childcare so it’s not that I’m costing ‘the taxpayer’ money

Why can’t people just say congratulations and mind their own business

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lynsey91 · 10/05/2020 15:18

@HotSince82 sorry but I maintain that, to an extent, it IS other people's business.

What, as I said, if we all decided to have large families. The country would be on its knees and yet it wouldn't be anyone's business?

I could not care less if the birth rate is at its lowest we still need less children not more and I did the sensible thing in not having children. Also means I don't have sleepless nights worrying about their future. Obviously most of you couldn't care less.

lynsey91 · 10/05/2020 15:22

@JulesM73 no it is not fine just because someone can afford to look after them

For goodness sake do none of you care about the country, the planet, the future for children?

Our government could not and cannot deal with a virus do you honestly think they will deal with climate change? Other countries haven't done much better on the whole either.

Some of you need to open your eyes and acknowledge what is coming

JulesM73 · 10/05/2020 15:29

@lynsey91, if you’re going to go down that route then there are so many other things that can be done to limit the population etc. Where do you draw the line? It’s a ridiculous to say I don’t care about the country, planet just because I don’t think someone who can afford to have 5 children has them. That does not mean that I would feel comfortable with having an unlimited amount but 5 is not that many.

HotSince82 · 10/05/2020 15:31

lynsey91

You are simply wrong, about pretty much everything.
But that's none of my business, as you were.

SneakersandSocks · 10/05/2020 15:32

I’m genuinely shocked by some people’s attitude to bigger families. It’s weird. There are much worse things in the world to get angry or feel so negative about. Very judgemental people. I myself am from a large family, my mum and dad always worked and we were not ‘scroungers’. I had the best childhood, we were not rich but I can honestly say we had everything we needed. We are all close and talk about our childhood fondly.
Tell them straight that their comments are rude and they were obviously not taught manners growing up......

Mrsmorton · 10/05/2020 15:45

Congratulations OP; as has been said, you need to develop a thick skin and an understanding that your family of 7 will never be net tax contributors.

sqirrelfriends · 10/05/2020 16:10

@Mrsmorton I don't think that's true, if they grow up to be financially successful then they would end up paying far more than what they take out of the system.

Dranktoomuchpepsi · 10/05/2020 16:11

sqirr I think they were joking about the tax thing

NotaFreeloader · 10/05/2020 16:11

No I haven’t left and I wasn’t going to come back but Ive watched carefully as my words have been twisted.
I never actually said we were struggling financially - we aren’t. We may not be big earners but we aren’t big spenders either so it evens out.

I said we MOSTLY eat vegetarian meals.
MOSTLY.
I didn’t say any more but I’ll elaborate now as didn’t realise that would be jumped on and twisted from ‘mostly vegetarian meals’ to ‘can’t afford any meat’ - it’s partly due to personal choice partly for health reasons and partly for budgeting not a case of ‘can’t afford meat’. We have 2 meat meals a week a roast on sundays and Wednesday night some other meat based meal so twice a week, and yes, we can afford ham for sandwiches but we prefer wafer thin turkey if that’s ok with everyone. We even have some chicken nuggets in the freezer .... but the children only have those occasionally

I stated we have been in the house 15+ years NOT from the first child. I actually moved in here with 3 children- it was a 4 bed with 2 reception rooms and initially was used as such now we use the second reception room as a bedroom and divided up the biggest bedroom to make 2 smaller rooms with a partition sliding door set up.
When we were offered this house the stock levels were much higher and it was advertised in the bidding system as suitable for a family of 4-8 and we managed to get it because although we were one of many families in the same band some may have been larger families than us we had the furthest back priority date (they used a system then of band and a tie of who had been waiting longest). It’s a secure tenancy so yes I appreciate we are lucky.

The comments made by my family are mostly based on just then being how they are all those who have been that way don’t offer any practicl or financial support so I’m not sure why they are like this nor have I expressed any dire finances to them as it’s not the case for us

Yes the children do wear a lot of hand me downs but that’s not bad quality and they do get new when needed or wanted but if it’s a big purchase they ask for birthday or Christmas

Again , they do not go without they each choose one out of school activity - one has coding club (used to be ice skating but wanted to change ) one does (well did as we haven’t been in weeks due to covid) swimming, another football, one girl guides and actually although we could find this ourselves I actually use the money I get each year form my grandfather to fund these throughout the year so I suppose we even have financial help (he gives me £500 each birthday)

We do not get tax credits beyond the third child due to the dates they were born.

I absolutely do want to work at some point but when I’m ready to not just yet although I was doing volunteering locally till CV happened and I felt it too risky with my pregnancy.

I started this thread on larger families to try and vent my frustration and upset in what I thought would be the correct topic and a sympathetic environment of those who had possibly had similar reactions from people and although I’m grateful for the kinder responses even the ones who don’t agree with my life choices but were measured and explained well (and have actually made me think re the climate and population issue so I’m wondering now maybe this will actually be my last after thinking about these issues a bit more) I’m just really shocked how a lot of what I’ve said has been twisted especially the vegetarian comment ! I said ‘mostly’ vegetarian. But that’s just one example and I never professed to be doing this benefit free as I’ve said multiple times we get ctc and chb it was just we’ve never had housing or tax benefit.

Anyway, I think that’s everything. I probably will hide the thread now
Again thanks to those who either said congratulations or expressed their views against large families kindly

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Mrsmorton · 10/05/2020 16:19

@sqirrelfriends they'd probably have to limit themselves to one child each for that to be even a remote possibility.

Honeybee85 · 10/05/2020 16:19

I come from a family with 5 children.
My parents were financially wealthy enough to support us in that matter but there was never enough time or attention for each of us and I feel quite resentful towards my parents for that. Also for environmental reasons I'm not a fan of big families.

However I agree with OP that it's quite rude to say these things to a pregnant woman.
Just congratulate her or say nothing at all.
The 5th baby is already on their way, your opinion on large families will not change that so rather keep it to yourself.

NotaFreeloader · 10/05/2020 16:25

And I forgot to add, the older ones don’t have to babysit and each child has enough time we do all their homework and reading and they each get individual time with us. We don’t get much time as a couple that’s one sacrifice (well obviously we get some time) but it’s a choice we make to be able to make sure that we don’t have a series of children who are just left to their own devices. I do think though I’m more of an ‘I’d like another child/person in the family’ than an in live babies’ woman of that makes sense as I like seeing them develop and nurturing that it’s not a situation where I prefer the baby stage which is nice but that’s not the driving force

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LonginesPrime · 10/05/2020 16:51

OP, there's nothing you can say to make the haters suddenly change their opinion. And that applies to real life and MN.

I think you should stop trying so hard to justify yourself - your life is your business and there's no reason other people have to approve of the choices you make. If you stand behind the decisions you've made, then no-one else's opinion matters. Just as the first reply on this thread said!

NotaFreeloader · 10/05/2020 16:57

Yes you’re right, I wasn’t going to but I was quite surprised how what id said was twisted. Also thought I’d picked the right place to post but it felt like I’d posted in aibu instead ! In future I think I’ll stick to commenting only rather than starting threads

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myangelalex · 10/05/2020 17:07

I would probably have thought something similar, but never commented on it. Just always have to smile at the people who say they will start working once their youngest is 5, then go on to have multiple children so that the 'age 5 youngest' never seems to happen.

I suppose I am a bit jaded because DH and I can't afford another child and have a small family, because of this. ☹️

HotSince82 · 10/05/2020 17:33

OP I hope you understand that the vitriol poured forth from some posters was never even about you.
I hope you have a healthy pregnancy, birth and baby. You don't need to justify yourself to anybody IRL and much less to random women on MN.

HotSince82 · 10/05/2020 17:38

Oh and please let this thread remain visible for posterity.
I believe that given the declining birth rate and burgeoning older population that the very same naysayers will, in a couple of decades be wringing their hands at the level of taxation their DC are subject to due to there just not being enough of them in number to support the extortionate number of pensioners requiring healthcare, social care, housimg and state pensions.

Your five DC will be carrying the can immeasurably presuming they are all tax payers.

MsTSwift · 10/05/2020 17:51

The more taxpayers needed argument is surely a crazy Ponzi scheme. Where will that ever end if each generation has to be larger to support the generation before?! There is finite space and resources. For our own and other people’s children’s sake most of us stop at 2.

Namechangervaver · 10/05/2020 18:11

We don’t get much time as a couple that’s one sacrifice (well obviously we get some time)

Do you? How?!

HotSince82 · 10/05/2020 18:28

It doesn't need to be larger, don't be so obtuse, but it needs to be roughly equal in size to sustain the demands that the older generation exert on government funds.
Our children's generation shall undoubtedly be smaller than ours.
It will certainly be interesting to see how that works out, that's why this thread and all those like it should stand, like I said for reasons of posterity.

ArriettyJones · 10/05/2020 18:39

The more taxpayers needed argument is surely a crazy Ponzi scheme. Where will that ever end if each generation has to be larger to support the generation before?! There is finite space and resources. For our own and other people’s children’s sake most of us stop at 2.

If that’s true we need to cap reproduction at replacement level AND stop all inward migration.

It can’t true, though, because we are always being told how desperately needed migration is to bolster the workforce. So clearly workers/taxpayers are needed.

Firsttimelottie · 10/05/2020 19:03

I think it's silly to argue that the children won't get the attention they need because they have too many siblings because I'm sure that one child families don't always give their child the attention they deserve.

The attention we give to our children has nothing to do with how many you have imo. It's about who you actually are as a parent.

All the best with your pregnancy OP.

CayrolBaaaskin · 10/05/2020 19:40

Those saying we need more taxpayers, well yes we do but we need people who pay more in than they take out.

neither op nor her dh are net contributors. We don’t know that their dcs will be either given the example they’ve been given.

ArriettyJones · 10/05/2020 19:46

neither op nor her dh are net contributors. We don’t know that their dcs will be either given the example they’ve been given.

Honestly, the most repellent people on this thread are the two or three of you determined to write five children off (one of them not yet born) because of their parents’ life/luck/opportunities/choices.

We do not have a caste system. You have NO idea what OP’s children might not be day do/earn/contribute/achieve.

ArriettyJones · 10/05/2020 19:47

Might one day^

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