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Multiple failures, a place to chat

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Zippybear · 05/02/2017 08:27

Anyone else out there with multiple failures wondering what to do next? We've just had our fourth embryo transfer fail. Issues on both sides. In the last year I've had two surgeries, dh has had one and we are still no further forward. We haven't had a holiday that wasn't time off for ivf since 2015. We feel battered and bruised and stuck on a hellish infertility rollercoaster that we can't get off unless we want to accept childlessness Sad we have another nhs cycle but I'm not sure I can cope with it (or if there is any point). I don't know whether to give up, think of donor, adoption or just accept our lot. Anyone else wondering the same?

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Mrsfw · 29/03/2017 17:43

Banana- thank you, that's exactly what I needed to read

Mrsfw · 29/03/2017 17:45

It's no wonder we get so many warped opinions on IVF when there are stupid DF articles like that with scare tactics out there. Makes me so angry

PeaOp · 29/03/2017 22:07

Mrs no, it was a lecture about Brexit and popularism in politics by Cleggy boy. Quite interesting. Steering clear of fertility things at the moment apart from my barren fiends army here x

bananafish81 · 30/03/2017 16:44

20th baby?!

FFS. 19 kids and apparently still counting

Share the fertility juju (I refuse to say 'baby dust) around...

www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2017/03/30/mother-19-kids-counting-now-expecting-20th-child/

AgainPlease · 30/03/2017 16:58

19 children? 19?! And now expecting No.20?? And I can't even produce ONE. Not even one.

🙄

The article mentions she fell pregnant with her first child at 14. I see now, that's where I went wrong, should have started much much sooner.

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tigerdog · 31/03/2017 08:48

Wrote a massive post and then lost it. Argh!!

Peaop I am sorry it was bfn. So bloody disappointing and unfair. Definitely get stuck into that wine tonight.

How was the Botox again? It's on my 'to-do at 40' list but I've aged so much in the last 6 months that I should probably bring it forward a few years. I look so hollow around the eyes! In fact I'm really struggling with feeling unattractive at the moment, my skin has gone to shit post pregnancy, I feel flabby from the lack of exercise, and just generally look sad and tired, and old. FML.

I hope you enjoy the break angelica. It's good to try and find the joy in life again. You've been through loads and the ttc treadmill is exhausting. Flowers Have fun and do some crazy stuff!

Any news from your sister sanfran? I bet your spidey senses are right. It's hard, even when you're happy for them and love your nieces and nephews. I'm the eldest and my siblings have four kids between them. My parents love to post endlessly on Facebook about grandkids being the best gift and other such shite. My SIL is pregnant too, and I'm delighted for her but know I will struggle with family get togethers for a while.

user, how did the home check go? Very excited for you! I am working from home today, in my 'Greyhound - Friends for Life' hoody. (Disclaimer - I didn't buy it for myself, it was a secret Santa gift, and I don't wear it out of the house!!)

How are you doing banana? 20 kids FFS. I can't bring myself to even read it. I'd be amazed if the kids are happy.

The waiting room thread was horrible. I wrote a long post and then decided not to share it. I couldn't believe how callous and self centered some posters were. It just served to illustrate just why infertility can be so hard and so lonely.

How is everyone else? I have so much work to get through today, then a painful family get together tomorrow that I'm dreading. Urgh. On the plus side, on Sunday morning we are off on holiday. I feel exhausted and I'm hoping it will recharge our batteries.

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AgainPlease · 31/03/2017 12:25

Hi Barren Army.

At the clinic right now making steps to start an FET. After many long arguments we are not allowed to put 2 embryos back in, just one at a time. But the best news of all is they have found a cyst on my ovary which means this month is out as we need to investigate what the fuck this cyst is all about. Just more shitty news after more shitty news.

Biggerboat i'm sorry to hear about the NK cells. I love how everything is treatable (until it isn't)... but only at a price ££££. A friend of mine spent over £150,000 on IVF over 6 years, lots of investigations, trials, losses, hope, only to get pregnant naturally in the end.

Never got my Botox Tiger as the dermatologist who was supposed to do it that morning got appointments mixed up and was working from another clinic 🙄 They said they were trying to call me to let me know but I'm averse to answering calls from phone numbers I don't recognise. Anyway, booking moved to next Thursday.

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Elbbob · 31/03/2017 15:41

Just dropping by to say I love the barren classification system!

And also wanted to say hi to Bip - saw your post on the waiting room thread, remember your story from previous threads and am pleased to see things are going well. You write so eloquently - it is always a pleasure to read your posts as you put into words so much of what I am feeling.

bananafish81 · 31/03/2017 16:54

Greetings members of the 9th battalion

Hope you're all hanging in there

again sorry about the bastard cyst - hope the cycle off gives your body some extra time to heal after the mc

bigger the level 1 stuff is hopefully pretty straightforward and dealt with folate and clexane, and fingers crossed some pred and intralipids is the trick for the latter. How do you feel having potentially some 'answers'? Wishing you the very best of British

tiger hope you have a fab holiday and a well earned break. After we finish tx we are so booking a holiday. We haven't had a holiday in well over 2 years, so think it's probably well overdue!

Angelica thinking of you and DH and hope you can have some time to heal and remember what it feels like to feel normal again. I'm hoping when we stop treatment we can learn to do the same

peaop I'm so sorry. It's just complete shit. Thinking of you Flowers

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AgainPlease · 05/04/2017 09:18

How are the soldiers doing?

Me? Not so good. Just really feeling like it won't happen for us. I have no energy or emotional headspace to do another cycle for fear of another failure. Even getting pregnant and getting past 12 weeks hasn't worked out for me and the thought of doing it all again makes me feel sick. I have been thinking more and more about surrogacy or even adoption. I don't want to put myself through so much trauma again. DH saying we should at least use our frozen embryos up and then make a decision. Easy for him to say when it's not his body going through it all!

I can't remember who mentioned this upthread but there isn't any joy in even joining an IVF buddies thread because it's all shiny and new for those people - full of hope and positivity. I don't belong there.

I noticed the other day as I was walking in to the clinic all the staff know me by name and were waving at me. Great. The closest I've ever felt to feeling like a celebrity (although I have been papped outside a London nightclub many years ago. I think they thought I was some Z list reality TV star).

Thanks for the link bigger I didn't know those stats. The more info the better.

Banana I like to think when I look out my back garden and see a plane this morning, it will have your lining on its way to Spain Grin

Zippybear · 05/04/2017 12:59

Hey again I understand how you feel, I too am totally fed up of it all. It begins to feel like banging your head against a brick wall, all this being fiddled with/examined/injected for no result. We dont have any embryos but we do have another nhs cycle but I just dont think I can take it, we have been through so much already. Currently we are just taking a bit of a break and doing all the things that are supposed to be bad for fertility (whilst still pathetically hoping for an ironidiff). Any news with your cyst?
Hello to all the other barrens, hope you are all hanging in there

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AgainPlease · 05/04/2017 15:09

No news on the cyst yet zippy but going in for a scan tomorrow to see what's up.

Bloody fuck. Just saw an ad for Durex on TV that according to a study only 55% of pregnancies are planned?! So 45% of women who get pregnant and have happy healthy babies are UNPLANNED?? And here I am on year 3 and still no baby. Give me a break!!!

Sorry to hear more waiting for you bigger. 6 weeks feels like 6 years in our world.

Zippybear · 05/04/2017 16:17

That is totally it bigger - the emotional and financial cost of repeated failures is just TOO HIGH Sad. I was the same towards the end of my last few cycles, I got a kind of euphoria - not that I thought it had worked but just that either way it was going to be over soon and no one could mess with my body any more! Such a horrendous invasive process that can all be for nothing. So sorry you are delayed, another 6wks is so painful and yet I guess it's hard not to hear that wee voice in the back of your mind saying just maybe this will be what works. Fuck this whole process. Sorry for not lifting the thread!
again fingers crossed for a cyst free scan tomorrow. As for all those unplanned pregnancies I have no words

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AgainPlease · 06/04/2017 20:51

Pesky cyst still there but they didn't seem too concerned about it so we might go ahead with FET this month on natural cycle as HRT poses risk that the cyst will suck up all the hormones.

My track record with FET is complete BFN whitest of white pregnancy tests so I'm just feeling a bit meh about it and desperately trying not to get my hopes up

Got my Botox today Tiger and Banana - tackling my frown lines + crows feet. Not painful at all! I think I've been so conditioned with needles over the last year in and out of the clinic for various blood tests and stabbing myself with Gonal F pens that a mini syringe to the face was nothing.

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tigerdog · 09/04/2017 13:19

Hello troops. I've been off the internet (mostly) whilst on holiday. It's been really nice to have a week away. Last few hours left and then back to reality. I will miss eating eating cake for breakfast and drinking cava at sunset. Missed the dog though, so looking forward to seeing her pointy face very soon. Can't believe I am missing the good weather too!

Glad the Botox was ok again, how's it looking? Are you pleased with the results? It's amazing how tough we become after so much treatment. I used to be a wuss and a needlephobe but now I am totally used to it all. I had eye surgery last year and I wasn't even remotely nervous. Having my eyeball sliced into was better than any IVF or gynae procedure. At least there wasn't the indignity of half a dozen people clustered around my fanjo.

Sorry about the delays bigger, sometimes these things just feel like the final straw. What treatment are you having? Are you still thinking about the NK cell biopsy? It functions as an endometrial scratch so could be worth doing if you haven't already planned one. I had mine done a year ago. I'm struggling with the thought that I can't really do anything at all at the moment. Period finally arrived today, a month after my erpc, then I've got another 3.5 weeks until my rmc clinic appointment. I have to wait another 3 weeks until I can schedule the private immunes tests, so might just wait and see if the rmc will do the level ones, and then pay for level two.

How are you doing zippy? Hope you're enjoying a few indulgences and a bit of normality.

banana, what's the latest? How was the NK biopsy? Did the prof offer any insight? He told me I was medically boring. I might contact them to give them an update and see if they still think so.

user do you have a hound yet?

sanfran where your spidey senses right about your sister?

bananafish81 · 09/04/2017 14:46

Hello barrens one and all

Hope you're enjoying some sunshine - both at home and abroad

bigger I did indeed go to Coventry (yes I was literally sent to Coventry) to try and have the uNK biopsy. We don't expect it to unlock any solutions, as whether the test says I'm high or low, the treatment recommendations are regarding what to do in a transfer cycle or post BFP. I can't even bloody get to the point of a transfer, so I can't see that it's gonna inform anything that'll solve my lining issues. The entire point of going was and is really just to speak to Prof Brosens, as they're the top researchers into the endometrium in the UK, and if anyone has any sideways thoughts that might provide an explanation as to what might be going on (if not any solutions to resolve the problem), it would be him. So much of his research underlines the importance of menstruation to the ability of the uterus to support a pregnancy, so I really just wanted to have a chat with him about my catastrophic periods and inability to regenerate my lining.

Funnily enough tiger he used those exact words when taking my history. He asked if I had any medical conditions / took any medication, and when I rattled the list off - he said 'we get lots of medically boring people through the doors but you are anything but that'. I long to be medically boring. Sigh. He seemed particularly interested in the Ehlers danlos syndrome, but didn't get chance to ask about it

Because as soon as I mentioned I'd had biopsies done the previous week he exclaimed 'oh shit!' and said we couldn't do the biopsy as it needed to be done in a 'virgin' month. And promptly turfed me out and told me to come back next month

He did a quick scan before chucking me out to check my lining and told me it was a remarkably thin endometrium (yes, I know, that's why I'm here). Given I'm now to do an HRT cycle and I don't respond to HRT, Christ knows what it'll be next month.

So I didn't get to ask anything or get his thoughts, or indeed have the biopsy, as I got chucked out halfway through. I didn't get charged, but it probably wouldn't have gone down too well to tell him I didn't even want his biopsy, I just wanted to speak to him!

In any case it's all academic as my period came and the last hail Mary mock cycle with all the Neupogen washes and gazillion eggs was a total car crash, as my period was the usual black sludge again. So it's now officially the end of the road.

DH and I had a good cry. He said that unfortunately we're going to have to get used to saying out loud 'we can't have children'. And that people won't get what that it's a grief that tears you apart, and won't have the same sympathy as when I said 'my mum's died'.

The thing about Coventry is that it just drags this out into an even longer, even slower death. We've tried for the best part of a year just to get me to menstruate, and we've reached the end of the line. But we won't really and truly be completely done until we've finished the Coventry investigations and have been able to get a second opinion to confirm that we really have exhausted all our options. We always said we didn't want to be chasing rainbows, and at this point we're just absolutely done in. I bawled all over DH that I just wanted this to be over. It's like when my mum was dying. We knew she was going to die, it was whether it would happen quickly or slowly and painfully. The end result would be the same, it was just whether it dragged out or not. But even though we knew it was coming, and could start to grieve in those final days, it wasn't really over until she was actually gone. And so even if I've stopped the stabbing and twice weekly dildocam, I'm still taking hormones and counting down till the appointment and waiting for test results and there's still the tiniest shred of hope that the eminent professor will say 'eureka I've got it!'

Part of me wants to sack it all off to save dragging it out, but I know I'll always wonder if we don't, so a few more months is nothing in the grand scheme of things. We're both just utterly exhausted. We have nothing left in the tank. We can't keep going on like this. We're not living, we're just existing.

So we're at the end, but the band aid isn't quite pulled off yet. So Coventry in 3 weeks time, then wait for biopsy result and repeat biopsy. Or, as I'm secretly hoping, I'll rock up at the appointment, have the consultation and ask all my questions, then we'll get to the biopsy and won't be able to do it because my lining will be so ridiculously thin there will be nothing to biopsy. And then he'll be able to agree that there's nothing more we can do. We just need to hear it from the top bloke so that we can truly draw a line under things knowing we really did leave no stone unturned

It was quite funny though. I told him we'd done ERA and he tried to tell me we'd done it on the wrong day and the result would be useless. I walked him through the timings and he was forced to admit that OK actually 5dpo was equivalent to a day 5 transfer day and had been done correctly

As he was turfing me out, he asked what I did for a living, as I seemed to speak very knowledgeably about reproductive medicine. I had to say no, I don't have a medical background - I've just read a LOT of Internet through a hell of a lot of treatment.

I think I'm going to ask my Dr NOT to tell me the results of the ERA test when they're back. Because it doesn't really matter. If it comes back as non receptive then at least that's pretty conclusive. But if it comes back as receptive, I don't know that I'm up to dealing with that information. Because it's just a kick in the teeth if my endometrium is nominally open for business, but still utterly, completely, broken.

I just want to get this over with so we can close the book on this whole sorry mess. And try to grieve and come to terms with it all. And build up the emotional reserves for the next stage of the journey, which absolutely terrifies the living fuck out of me.

In the mean time I've made an appointment with a Harley St dermatologist to try and sort out my PCOS acne and get some botox or filler done to sort out my crows feet

Sorry for epic ramble. Thanks for putting up with my witterings all x

SanFranDreaming · 09/04/2017 22:19

Banana - massive hug. That is all. Just a big fat massive hug.

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AgainPlease · 10/04/2017 09:33

Banana I just want to echo what bigger and sanfran have said. I'm so sorry this is happening to you after everything you've been through. Life is shit and so unfair. I hope the last loose ends get tied up and you can start on the next chapter of your journey. I'm really really sorry this is happening to you 😞 My heart goes out to you and your DH. Lots of crying and grieving help but it won't take the pain away. I wish you all the best luck in your surrogacy search and please keep us updated regularly.

Well... I don't have much happy news to share either. H and I have called it a day. 5 days before FET transfer. There were other things affecting our relationship but infertility, IVF, losing our son, I think has played a big role. It proved to be too much for us. We might try and save it before Saturday but I have my bags packed. It's not that straight forward for me as I don't really have anywhere to go so I have to go abroad to my parents house and start fresh. I'm completely terrified. I know a lot of couples break up during the IVF process and multiple failures so I guess we're just fitting in to an existing statistic. Don't want to bring relationships in to our IVF discussions but I also don't think they are mutually exclusive in terms of the affect they have on the other.

Infertility and multiple failures are shit shit shit. This has ruined my life.

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