Twelve year old rioter Mum gone to ibiza rather than court

[Daltonbear1]

https://inews.co.uk/news/boy-no-sentence-riots-southport-mum-ibiza-3256439

Like who does that they know that their son is going to court but Decides, it's a good time to go and go party at Ibiza. Like what the hell? The judge seems to be very shocked That a parent would do that. So now they have to witholdthe sentencing for when she gets back
You see, I think when you have a twelve-year-old doing what they Ve just done. It's the parents that really need to be sentenced as well. Because potentially, that would stop the children because the parents would actually start discipline the kids. But it just shows that some of these children really. Have such a c* start to life. How are they meant to be in a society that needs people to behave

A lot of posters on here like to minimise, explain away abuse towards children.
The story below is next to the story of the Mum going on holiday rather being in court to support her son.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c990l4zjmzeo

I wonder how many of you will explain away the behaviour of these nursery nurses.

Well said. 👏 I am utterly dumbfounded at the level of some people’s standards on here sometimes.

How very rude of you. With your 'silly' emoji too! I didn't say the judge shouldn't have criticised the parent. I said she shouldn't be shocked by it, because as you agree, it happens all the time.

Almost certainly not. I am sure we can all imagine the type of family this child comes from. Father clearly absent as otherwise reference would have been made to the "parents" being in Ibiza, not just the mother. These kids are raising themselves, in this example his feckless mother clearly doesn't give a shit that her pre-teen is out rioting, in some sectors of society a criminal record is so standard that why would you even bother attending court?

The real question is whether it's too late to do anything about the life chances of this child before he spends his life in and out of prison, contributing nothing to society.

This is very true but at least his uncle showed up for him

I hope he's taken into care -surely that can't be worse, can it?

With parents like this how are we to expect the child to know that what they did was wrong? I would not surprised if the child behaved like this as a shout for help. Really, the kid needs some proper care and education and it does not sound like this is at home.

I don’t know anything about this particular case, but it could also be the opposite. They’ve tried and tried and the boy hasn’t changed, so they are not saying ‘you are on your own’ as a way to shock him.

While this might be the case if he's always running out of credit on his phone, in this case his parent or guardian has to be in court, because he's a minor. So she's defaulting on her obligations to the court, not to him.

Sadly that is life for a lot of children in the UK.

Hardly rude, you’ve posted your opinion so I’m just giving mine. I’m entitled to my two pence worth as much as anyone else - emoji and all. I think you should feel silly to have greatly misrepresented the judges stance on the matter and claim that she’s out of touch and speaking purely from a place of privilege when she clearly isn’t. Frankly it’s nonsense. She is showing that she is absolutely in touch with how poor this woman’s parenting is and how this would have affected her child. That shows her compassion on the behalf of the child who deserves far better treatment from his mother than he has received. I’m not sure what is so difficult for you to grasp about this situation?

Whether it happens all the time is irrelevant, it’s still shocking to any human being whether you’re a judge or not. It’s shocking for social workers to see neglect, police to see people murdered and for vets to see animals abused. Just because it happens all of the time it doesn’t make it any less appalling. It’s her job to pass sentence and with her ruling as all judges do, to give her opinion when faced with all of the facts at hand when residing over a case.

She’s has to defer his sentence because this mother has refused to do her duty as a parent. It is shocking behaviour. If she didn’t find it shocking then that’s an even bigger problem because it means it’s become socially acceptable which behaviour like that never should be!

He's 12, he's obviously a right pain in the arse but he's only 12. She's his legal guardian and he was in court and she's gone off on holiday rather than show the judge he has one parent at least who cares about his welfare

Kid must think neither of his parents give a toss about him

Sadly the bottom line stops with women with pregnancy.

It is women who decide, and hold all the power as to wether a child is born or not.

Men should ALWAYS condom up, or get a vasectomy, but while women hold all the powers to who gets mentioned on a birth certificate {or not} this is why men cannot be held as accountable in a child's life.

It's depressing the amount of feckless parenting around, and the kids of such unions tend to repeat the same patterns.

Unfortunately there's not enough support for children likes this. Hopefully the judge can put in place some support as part of his sentencing

He's still so young that with enough support from outside agencies he might be able to turn his life around

That would probably be more likely though if he had a supportive mum by his side doing whatever she can to help him , which he doesn't seem to have

I don't condone what mother has done, it's disgraceful. However, where is the child's father?

He needs to be accountable too!

Until men are legally liable for who brings a child into the World, this is unlikely to ever happen.

Women choose if a child is born or not- not a man.

This boy sounds as if he has had a shitty childhood with parents who are deeply selfish and who put themselves first.

The child never stood a chance in life. Father in prison and mother can't handle him. Grandmother seems to have tried her best. On top of that, he has medication that he won't take.

I find it very sad and I'm not sure what the solution is. It's a cycle that repeats for some families and I can understand why it's so difficult to break it.

Very well said 👏

Agree completely.

I knew a Magistrate years ago who was so upset by an appalling animal cruelty case ''allegedly'' carried out by two ''young people'' that she referred it straight to Crown Court.

I agree the mother’s behaviour is awful.

My issue is the judge saying “boys like you need your mums in your lives”.

Boys (and girls) need both parents in their lives. The fact that the boy’s father is in prison is neither here nor there. The judge should not be focusing her ire on an absent mother and making a generalised comment that boys who engage in criminality need mums. She could have said they need their parents rather than calling out just the mother.

It doesn’t matter if she knows the father is feckless or not. It doesn’t matter if she knows stuff about him that we are not privy to. By making a sweeping statement pointed solely at mothers she is doing the misogynistic work of laying the blame for this child’s dysfunction at the feet of a woman.

So many people on this thread are making excuses for men by saying “oh well we know men walk away from their responsibilities so no point in even considering the dad, he’s probably a waste of space..”. And that’s it? He’s a waste of space so we won’t worry about expecting him to shoulder any of the responsibility but we’ll just pile on the awful mother. FML.

Sadly the bottom line stops with women with pregnancy.

It is women who decide, and hold all the power as to whether a child is born or not.

Men should ALWAYS condom up, or get a vasectomy, but while women hold all the powers to who gets mentioned on a birth certificate {or not} this is why men cannot be held as accountable in a child's life
oakleaffy do you really believe what you have written or are you being disingenuous?

Absolutely, both parents should be responsible and liable. Too easy to just hold one's hands up and 'give up' on parenting.

Need to get back to old fashioned discipline.

The judge has issued a court order that mother has to attend court. If she doesn't she is then in contempt of court ... and then may be tried and given a custodial sentence.

Only reason I’d think judge’s non mention of the father is acceptable is if there was never a dad- then judge would mention whoever guardian was but I agree sad that the mum is away, neglect by both parents

Does the mother know who the father is, is the father dead or is he in prison ? The boy lived with his mother therefore she is responsible for him and that is why the Judge spoke only of her.

It's obviously true.

Women hold ALL the power as to wether a baby gets born or not.

'Your body/your choice' as is so often said on here if a woman is pregnant.

, or advising women 'to not put the father on the birth certificate''

Women have the final choice, the trump card.

They can get a termination, regardless of what a man thinks, or go ahead and have a baby {again, regardless of the man's wishes}.

A man has to legally pay Child Support if the baby is genetically his, but apart from that- women are still seen as the ones fundamentally in control of a child, especially if they are the one living with the child and the father isn't around.