Twelve year old rioter Mum gone to ibiza rather than court

[Daltonbear1]

https://inews.co.uk/news/boy-no-sentence-riots-southport-mum-ibiza-3256439

Like who does that they know that their son is going to court but Decides, it's a good time to go and go party at Ibiza. Like what the hell? The judge seems to be very shocked That a parent would do that. So now they have to witholdthe sentencing for when she gets back
You see, I think when you have a twelve-year-old doing what they Ve just done. It's the parents that really need to be sentenced as well. Because potentially, that would stop the children because the parents would actually start discipline the kids. But it just shows that some of these children really. Have such a c* start to life. How are they meant to be in a society that needs people to behave

No good mother at the end of her tether goes to Ibiza to get some space.
I've been attacked hundreds of times by my youngest DC. I don't have evenings out, let alone a solo holiday.

In the middle of all this is a child who has been failed by those who were meant to protect him. We don’t know if that is his parents and / or the system in general. If he couldn’t ‘settle’ in school and his parents couldn’t help him - what did the system do to support him? Now that he’s displaying these behaviours how will we as a society help him? Even if he is sent to a secure unit and receives some help in the short term - what about when he is released?

I can but surely any normal, decent person would stay at home to avoid seeing her little yob sentenced, not swan off to Ibiza

The dad is in prison and presumably the mum has parental responsibility. If the Dad was the only resident parent I think it would attract the same level of critisism

I would assume the mother is the primary care giver.

Some kids don't have 'fathers' at all, my best friend is a lesbian and her kids do not have dads they have two mams and another friend choose single motherhood through sperm donation which is anonymous.

It sounds like this boy has at least one neglectful parent. Unless his father is dead or in a vegetative state then he's a wanker of the highest order too. They've let their child down massively and the consequence is that he's a criminal little scrote who's almost certainly going to prison at 12 years old. How bloody sad.

the only way to stop it is to stop them having babies. It’s dangerous territory I know suggesting that kind of measure but less dangerous than generation after generation of these poor kids who don’t stand a chance. The mums want the unconditional love a baby brings as they’ve never had it but babies are hard work and turn into adults.
Or how about making education accessible to all* and a career pathway, and stop with the social pressure and bollocks about needing a man and having a baby. Unless a severely low IQ, everyone can be skilled up in some career pathway.

*our educational system penalises non academic / SEN children. If we actually want a properly fair and fit society we need to massively overhaul education.
It's a false economy not to invest in education, of course an uneducated population is much easier to control than an educated one....but that's another issue.

You cant sentence the parents and the kids because there are cases where kids do things despite all the advantages and good parenting they enjoy in comparison to others. It would become a complete minefield of personal judgements and chase no end of issues.

She can't blast the father for not being there when he's in prison!
I'm not saying that the father's behaviour hasn't affected the boy but the judge wasn't talking about that she was talking about his resident parent not being present for her child's court case.

It’s fucking sad. She owed it to her son and the court to attend and she showed exactly how much she cares about him and the laws he’s broken by buggering off on holiday. I’m guessing dad didn’t get bad mouthed by the judge because he isn’t in the picture at all. I’d hope that was the reason.

I saw an awful lot of pictures and videos of people attending the riots with their young children in tow, like it was a day out which shocked me. I don’t expect everyone to parent the same way I do but the way some raise their children it’s no wonder kids like this one end up in court at such a young age.

A few years ago there was a case in the US where (approx, I forget the exact details) a state legislator campaigned for a law that if a kid sold drugs, his parents could be jailed, and if the drugs were dealt from the kid's house, the house would be forfeited.

Then the inevitable happened and the legislator's kid was busted for selling drugs out of their house...

I think any Judge that is astonished that in this day and age not only a parent but anyone can behave in that way doesn't live in the real world.

If anyone it's the courts that should know just how much behaviours have changed over the last 20+ years.

The age of criminal responsibility in England & Wales is 10 years old. I just checked and also still is in my home country too.

That actually (IMO) goes to make it harder to drive the argument that parents should share the sentencing consequences of punishment, rehabilitation and deterrent. We're saying that the responsibility in law lies with the child.

I'm with the Howard League for Penal Reform, the LGA's 'Children in Trouble' Task Group, and the Louise Casey Report on all this, especially where children and family dynamics are concerned.

She's not getting the blame for his behaviour. She's getting the blame for going on holiday instead of attending court with her 12 year old son, as she was obliged to do (never mind that she should have wanted and needed to)

I agree with you that misogyny is rife but I'm not sure that it's misogyny at play in your example. For some incomprehensible reason, people (of both sexes) who cause death by their driving get much more leniently treated than those who cause death by other methods.

Wider issue is the boy likely has 2 shit parents and there's a lot of outcome to be had from that.

Absolutely this..

It always seems to be the father that gets the slating in situations like this, absent or not, but when a child has an absent father and a shit, yes they do exist, mother to boot the child very rarely stands a chance in life.

That was my thought too @Crumpleton. Sadly I'd have expected a judge to be all too familiar with how difficult some kids' lives are, and how little support and guidance they get at home.

Maybe the judge wanted to speak with or see the mother? I'm not sure whether that would be against protocol, but I'd have thought that at the very least she could make references towards the boy's parents in her summing up.

Or, maybe she wanted to see one or both parents before deciding on what to do, and attempt to get clarity on whether he would receive appropriate guidance at home, or might be better off to be placed into care.

The father passed away before the child was born so get off your high horse.

Yes. And hasn't got away with it. Which was my point.

I think the father is actually in prison. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13739601/UK-riots-Britain-worst-rioter-grandmother-interview.html

However, it is interesting to see how many people are calling out misogyny while not noticing that the judge in this case is a woman. Unless it's "internalised misogyny" or something.

Why doesn’t that surprise me?….

His mother deserves to be vilified! Instead of behaving like a parent she has abandoned her child to face court without her. She is the only parent who is able to parent him and she has left him in favour of going partying abroad. How can she be thinking of holidaying when her sons in prison and due to be sentenced?! He is twelve years old. She is supposed to be the one to support him. The least she can do when it’s obvious her son will be incarcerated is show up. She could have gone abroad after. Absolutely no respect for her child or the justice system as it will hold up the order of court and push back other cases that should have been heard that day.

Her actions show how seriously she hasn’t been bothered to take her son’s violent behaviour. Any good parent would be sick with worry and would want him to be rehabilitated and would have taken his crimes seriously enough to show up and support him. He lived with her when he was arrested so she will have been the resident guardian. The dad is clearly a waster but sadly so is the mother. No parent who is responsible or who cares for their child does that. It’s indecent and that’s putting it politely. His dad is in prison and his mother is neglectful. Both will have had a significantly detrimental affect on that child and to claim it’s more his fault than hers is just nonsense. It’s no wonder with the shocking quality of either parent that this child has done this. Just because she has a vagina it doesn’t make her any less culpable for the way her child has turned out if this is the way she chooses to behave. She is not fit to be a parent. Stop excusing her shameful behaviour because she’s a woman. It gives us good parents a bad name. Give your head a wobble!

I'm shocked the judge is shocked. Surely it's not news to them that people like this exist, who lack the ability, wit or will to properly supervise their children, and that this often results in their children getting up to no good? Concerning that a judge has so little awareness of this particular social problem. Very Ivory Tower.

Some people on here really do make any excuse for shit behaviour as long is its a women

I don't care how at the end of your tether you are, no good parent fucks off for a break , cheap or not while their 12 year old is in court

Of course she will be aware, she will see cases of children with neglectful parents who have turned to crime every day. It doesn’t mean the behaviour is any less shocking and people shouldn’t be called out for it. What a silly comment. 🤦🏻‍♀️