Twelve year old rioter Mum gone to ibiza rather than court

[Daltonbear1]

https://inews.co.uk/news/boy-no-sentence-riots-southport-mum-ibiza-3256439

Like who does that they know that their son is going to court but Decides, it's a good time to go and go party at Ibiza. Like what the hell? The judge seems to be very shocked That a parent would do that. So now they have to witholdthe sentencing for when she gets back
You see, I think when you have a twelve-year-old doing what they Ve just done. It's the parents that really need to be sentenced as well. Because potentially, that would stop the children because the parents would actually start discipline the kids. But it just shows that some of these children really. Have such a c* start to life. How are they meant to be in a society that needs people to behave

Her son was facing such a significant charge and she thought it appropriate to prioritise her holiday. The fact she sent her brother is irrelevant. He didn't have parental responsibility and she demonstrated her own level of taking responsibility for her son. Saying you didn't see what the problem is, is pretty short sighted. Poor kid.

It sounds like the son has now been removed from her care.

So what practical difference would it make?

Her son is feral, she is either unfit to be a parent or cannot cope with him.

Do you honestly think her being there is going to change anything? that a £1000 is going to turn her into Super Nanny?

She was in the country when her son committed these offences, did it stop him?

Imho its just vindictive.

To show she's taking it seriously. And still cares. Even if she is struggling.

Imagine being 12 and your own mother giving up on you. The psychological damage that does.

Even if she is struggling, prioritising her holiday over him is only going to do more damage.

She has parental responsibility legally. She's clearly unfit to be a parent. If she's unfit then that needs to be made clear for various reasons.

Not least because this also says to other parents that they need to take parental responsibility seriously too. They can't just abdicate it.

It's hardly vindictive. The money she saves from not having to look after him, should cover the cost fairly quickly.

The fine is made up of separate amounts to different people who were victims of the son's behaviour eg the bus driver of a bus, a staff member at a shop. I don't think it's actually related to the holiday.

I saw yesterday I think it was that she has been fined an equivalent cost of her holiday and has been ordered to attend a 6 month parenting course.

The fine was for the damage her son caused! Of course she should pay it. How is it over the top? She could afford to go on the holiday, so that’s ok is it, spend her money on herself but not the damage her child has caused! I cannot believe you think it’s fine for a mother to swan off on holiday when her child is in court for a serious offence and sending her brother is ok! I hope you’re not a parent.

If she is unfit, she wont be saving any money as she isn't looking after him & if she is struggling with an out of control son, this fine is just going to make matters worse.

I don't think many people have a clue about how disturbed some children can be, no matter what the parent does.
I don't have access as to what the dynamic here is but its clearly not working, she either needs help with him or, as a last resort, he needs to go into care but that, given the state of childrens services, isn't ideal.

I look back on my brothers childhood, nowadays she'd have fined or indeed imprisoned for his truancy, maybe even care, but she couldn't control him, he would jump out the bedroom window, walk to school but then go fishing, hide his bike by the 2nd bus stop, get off (having been escorted to the bus stop) and then go for a bike ride, if he went to school, he'd then walk out after an hour, he went a total of 12 days in the entire 4th form, less in 5th year, left school with not even a CSE.

BUT he went on to be an engineer, working all over the world, had he been put into care, he'd probably have ended up in prison.

There also seems to be zero mention of the father in all of this.

Decent parents don't need reminding that they should act responsibly, with pointless fines.

Let’s just let everyone get away with bad behaviour then and have no responsibility for their children! Why don’t you do gooders pay the fine for her if you’re so worried about her?

She saved enough money to go on holiday rather than pay for damage...

😂😂😂

He is 12, 2 years above the age of criminal responsibility.

She has been fined for her behavior, a pointless thing to do.

Why is it that those who cannot construct an argument resort to insults?

I see he got a 12 month referral order.. what does that mean?

A referral order is the community sentence most often used by the courts when dealing with 10 to 17 year olds, particularly for first time offenders who plead guilty. Referral orders require that an offender must agree a contract of rehabilitative and restorative elements to be completed within the sentence

If this kid has lots of behavioural issues, he's not been in trouble before....

Where do you think he will get the money from to pay for his misdeeds? He is his mother’s responsibility and it’s right and fair that she should know what he's doing, where he is, and pay for damage caused by him. Are we now to absolve parents of any and all responsibility for their children. I can give you chapter and verse on the law regarding responsibility if you’d like, but actually I prefer to insult people who haven’t the sense they were born with!

Where did i say his mother has no responsibility?

Her defence:
The mother said she spoke with her solicitor and the Youth Justice team, adding: ‘It was not put to me how much I needed to be there. Each one said, “Is there an appropriate adult?” My brother – which is why I went on holiday."

Its not what i'd do but if the legal advice told her it was all ok to go on a pre paid holiday, then is she solely to blame?

My point is that a large fine like this won't help the boy or his mother, in fact may well make matters worse if she ends up blaming him for this.

Far better to have her do a community sentence, as her son appears to have been given.

However, the judge in sentencing the boy, seems to have done the right thing for him, avoid jail but also took him to task on racism and how he would feel if attacked (he is mixed race)

thanks, just seemed odd due to the judge saying how bad it was.

As I said, she played it