Twelve year old rioter Mum gone to ibiza rather than court

[Daltonbear1]

https://inews.co.uk/news/boy-no-sentence-riots-southport-mum-ibiza-3256439

Like who does that they know that their son is going to court but Decides, it's a good time to go and go party at Ibiza. Like what the hell? The judge seems to be very shocked That a parent would do that. So now they have to witholdthe sentencing for when she gets back
You see, I think when you have a twelve-year-old doing what they Ve just done. It's the parents that really need to be sentenced as well. Because potentially, that would stop the children because the parents would actually start discipline the kids. But it just shows that some of these children really. Have such a c* start to life. How are they meant to be in a society that needs people to behave

Seriously? Do you think kids who are abused or neglected have good prospects to grow up and live a normal life just because they want to do better?

Take neglect for example, the leap from their experience of little care from their parents to being a caring, responsive parent, is absolutely vast. It's hard to know what to do if you've never lived in a functional house with a parent who is caring and responsive.

Never mind kids who have been traumatised by abuse or seeing violence. Many will have learnt no self regulation skills from their home life and go on to repeat the circle of violence.

It it a statutory requirement for the parent or legal guardian of a minor to be in court at all stages.

In this case, for whatever reason, the mother was the one with that legal obligation. So the judge held her responsible for her absence.

The Cameron government did set up a scheme targeting interventions at families in a cycle of poverty, neglect and criminality. It was called Troubled Families. I have no idea whether it's still going.

Those saying ' punishment doesn't work', maybe it works for the victim who has had rocks thrown at his head?

Does it? Does it make that victim feel better?

At any rate, legal cases have never been about retribution. The crown takes legal action on criminal matters, that's why it's R (Rex or Regina, the monarch) versus defendant.

Victims used to bring private prosecution (pressing charges) and still can in some circumstances, but the police and criminal justice system act on behalf of the crown.

Otherwise, you'd have patchy justice based on the victim's inclination to bring charges and their wealth, articulacy etc.

That was my thought

"Boys like you need their mums in their lives. I need your mum here."

And dad?

I mean his uncle turned up so maybe his uncle helps raise him. Mum isn't on trial.

And? The judge could still criticise him in his absence

The age of criminal responsibility is 10.

The Judge's statement seems to be taken out of context by all the posters here who're complaining about it. I doubt the judge doesn't know dads are important too. At this rate, it's complaining just to complain.

How do you know the judge didn't?

Perhaps the judge knows the circumstances (apologies if they're known, not read whole thread). Perhaps he's dead/doesn't know he's a father. Unlikely, but reasons he couldn't be held accountable. Perhaps she did mention him but that part wasn't printed.

I'm more concerned the judge thinks a boy like him needs his mum in his life. Not one like her he doesn't.

The judge will have had all the background information about the child and the family. And I assume that anything she said (and we haven't seen her comments in full) will reflect the knowledge that she has of the family circumstances.

Many people on this thread are either making things up, or bringing their own biases and opinions to the OP. I would have thought it fairly obvious that the judge will know more about the situation than we do.

What does that have to do with anything?

He might be, then again, some parents do all they can and eventually they have had enough, we just don't know.

My Mum did all she could for my bro, i was ok, so was my other brother but as a 12 yo he was being bought home by the police, climbing out of the bedroom window and running off with older boys, shop lifting, skipping school, vandalism, even blew up a car, we even moved areas because mum was convinced he would end up in borstal.

He wasn't a Poor Kid, he was hell on wheels, the school did nothing either, he wanted a dad, he didn't have one and rebelled against all boundaries.

You can bet my Mum would have jumped on the first plane to Ibiza to escape him for a week!!!

Then sort of over night (around 18) he changed, went to college, got a job, worked all over the world, did better than any of us!!!! & had an extremely close bond with our mum, even ended up caring for her towards her death.

know who? either a mother who doesnt give a shite....
or -one who knows how to play the system. I HATE to think it,far less suggest it,but i truly think as a "leniancy" ploy shes played a blinder perhaps.
"child whos mother doesnt care" isit-( then lock her up.)he only 12,prob supervision order anyway

She clearly doesn't give a shit about him. Some people don't deserve children. Poor kid

A mum who can't do mum probably wasn't much parented by her own mum. Poor little blighters, the pair of them.

You’re absolutely right, what sort of a parent would do that? Well clearly one that’s dragged up the next generation to be just like them, selfish and disgusting! She should be in court with her son. And go to prison for wasting court time and clearly not giving a hoot about her son!

Very good point!

I’m not sure the Judge really is shocked but this has become a very high profile case and the media are watching.
If this is the 12 year old cited in DM article what can actually be done now to set him on a better path?

Our police can't simply go to Ibiza and arrest her. They would have to involve the Spanish authorities and apply for her to be extradited. Far quicker and cheaper to just wait for her to return to the UK.

Just thought you might like to see the update. The judge told the mum she will have to pay as fine the same price as her holiday which was about 1000 . Plus 6 month parenting lessons order.
She said in her defence that she sent her brother his uncle instead as apparently she wasn't told that she had to be at court as she had pre booked holiday. Plus she said that uncle was appropriate adult so thought that was OK.
What's your thoughts on this then?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gdn8dj62wo.amp

Applaud the fine, parenting order about 12 years too late and utterly pointless.

IF its true, she sent her brother, i don't really see what the harm is, depends on what the relationship is.

& if she is going to struggle to pay this fine, which is completely over the top, then who will suffer? if she is such a bad parent, it wont be her, it'll be her children.

Parenting lesson may be late but might prove useful for both of them.

This Mother has CHOSEN to go to Ibzia as opposed to support her son. Says it all really. Now she has a £1k fine. She is bloody clueless.