Twelve year old rioter Mum gone to ibiza rather than court

[Daltonbear1]

https://inews.co.uk/news/boy-no-sentence-riots-southport-mum-ibiza-3256439

Like who does that they know that their son is going to court but Decides, it's a good time to go and go party at Ibiza. Like what the hell? The judge seems to be very shocked That a parent would do that. So now they have to witholdthe sentencing for when she gets back
You see, I think when you have a twelve-year-old doing what they Ve just done. It's the parents that really need to be sentenced as well. Because potentially, that would stop the children because the parents would actually start discipline the kids. But it just shows that some of these children really. Have such a c* start to life. How are they meant to be in a society that needs people to behave

The poor Womenz

I usually hate it when all the blame is laid on Mum. However we can’t yet speculate about the father. It could have been a ONS, a casual fling and he didn’t want to know, The mother discovered he was wrongun and didn’t want him to know. He could have died, who knows. My DD’s father isn’t and has never been on the scene so I can’t judge on that one.

Now for my rant… With a Mother like that who clearly puts boozing holidays before nurturing and parenting her child I’m really not in the least bit surprised this little boy is literally running riot. He’s just as much to be pitied really as he is to be punished. He’s clearly had no guidance or limits and probably feels that his mother doesn’t give a hoot by trotting off on her jollies while he was in court. If he was 22 and the mother was doing this I’d support the argument well he’s a fully grown adult. It’s nothing to do with the mother, but I’d still think it lousy nevertheless, but as 12 is just diabolical.

Exactly this. People seem surprised this happens, it’s constant, that’s how they are brought up. It’s utterly pointless mentioning the dad. That judge will see this day after day.

the only way to stop it is to stop them having babies. It’s dangerous territory I know suggesting that kind of measure but less dangerous than generation after generation of these poor kids who don’t stand a chance. The mums want the unconditional love a baby brings as they’ve never had it but babies are hard work and turn into adults. Perhaps the absolute idiots advocating Kirsty alsopp have ss intervention could join the police/social workers and courts and see what real child neglect looks like.

I'll reserve judgment. Maybe she was at the end of her tether and asked the uncle to take him as she couldn't cope any more. Who knows. People are assuming she's "partying" as it's Ibiza but it was probably a cheap break.

It's easy to say how people "should" parent. But some of these young lads just won't listen and do whatever they want. I've worked in this area and seen it countless times. They get in with the wrong crowd, they don't care what their parents say/do/threaten.

I was a single mother of a son (now adult). He never got into trouble or ran wild. But I can't take a huge amount of credit for that. Because I'm fully aware a lot of that was down to luck. By around the age of 13 he was stronger than me. I couldn't have physically stopped him doing anything.

The tabloids haven't found him yet!

It seems that they have, and the boy's Dad is "serving a long prison sentence". (The other details of the story all match closely, so I think it's a good bet that it's the same boy.)

Now, this is indeed nothing for Dad to be proud of, but I think it's probably a good enough reason for the judge not expressing the same level of disappointment that he didn't turn up in court for the hearing as she did for his Mum.

Also, we do not have access to the full transcript of what the judge said. Maybe she also went into extensive detail about the kid's background, about Dad in particular, maybe about the tendency of men are in general, with their propensity to commit crimes that attract prison sentences. But the only report we have is that the judge said something about the Mum; it does not say that she did not also talk about the Dad.

Indeed, the news outlet whose output led to this thread may well have decided that further detail would not produce sufficient clicks, shares, and outrage, whereas "Mum bunks off to Ibiza" is a very tempting target. "Man bites dog" will always trump "Dog bites man". So it might well be that the judge did a thoroughly professional job, and that the apparent imbalance in coverage results from the business-driven decisions of the author and editors at iNews.

I am not heartless and can see that maybe the woman might be not coping with ached violent lad but still I really think you need to be there for sentencing or at least give the uncle the reasons that you find it to difficult to cope with so that can be passed to the judge if needed but just going to Ibiza I am sorry is wrong

The boy is 12 years old! She has parental responsibility so she had to be in court. She can't just hand that responsibility to the uncle and escape to Ibiza!

You're only making that excuse because she's female. If it was the father who had responsibility and swanned off on holiday, you wouldn't be making excuses for him. You'd want him skinning alive.

People are conflating a wider issue with the issue at hand. Wider issue is the boy likely has 2 shit parents and there's a lot of outcome to be had from that.

The issue at hand, which is what they're in court for, is who's the adult currently responsible for the boy and what immediate facts led to him commiting this offence. Fcking off to a "pre-booked" holiday when your 12 Yr old son is in trouble with the law for chasing danger and causing violence is not exactly something that says "good mum trying her best to raise a good son".

If the boy was solely in his dad's custody and people were villifying him for this, none of the posters would be mentioning the mum who's absent in the child’s life long before this offence and his behaviour. That is a completely different issue and no one is defending a shit dad.

Why not say that instead of fabricating a story about the father abandoning his partner and child?

There is enough men out there who we know are failing their children without creating fiction in this case.

Agreed and agree with the poster you quoted too.

Yes.

I hope the law gives him help rather than punishment, he's only a child and I do not understand his mother. You couldn't make it up.

My thoughts exactly. 12 is still so young. I hope he gets help

I feel sorry for any child whose parent prioritises a holiday over them, let alone when you're due in court and back at school.

I've got a work colleague who is utterly clueless about their autistic child, to the extent that I now think it's bordering on neglect. They're not stupid, they're just incredibly self absorbed and should have never had children.

I’ve represented hundreds of under 18s at sentencing hearings, including for long custodial sentences. I can count on one hand the number of times they’ve been accompanied by any adult let alone their parent.

the only way to stop it is to stop them having babies.

OK, I'll bite:

1. What would be your financial, social, educational, and relationship criteria for being allowed to have babies? Please give details so that we can see exactly which of these factors is more important to you.
2. What would you do with the babies that would inevitably be born to people who are in the "banned" category? Where will the adoptive parents come from to take up a baby whose mother may have been on crack and who, by simple genetics, will probably have a low IQ?
3. What's your preferred mechanism? Permanent sterilisation if a woman doesn't meet the criteria at 18, forced administration of the contraceptive pill until their annual review shows that they have a partner who works at least 35 hours a week and doesn't smoke, or detector vans like they used to have for TV licences, listening for crying at night?

Reproduction is the most fundamental biological process of the mammals that we all are. And for people who have not made a success of the layers of economic and social development that we expect most of our fellow citizens to go through, giving birth to a baby is often the one thing in life that they can expect to get right. Would you really like to live in a society that worked on the basis that you described?

She can't just hand that responsibility to the uncle and escape to Ibiza!

She can and has.

Interesting - what do you think the reason was for delaying the sentencing until the mother was there then? If it's not unusual I assume they don't all have sentencing delayed?

Was it because this child is particularly young? An unusual judge? Specific circumstances?

She probably doesn't know who he is.

No, absolutely not.

So someone that's 'oh so broken' fucks off to Ibiza? The club capital of Europe?

Pull the other one.

She's a stupid selfish parent. Nothing more.

Poor kid.

The judge sounds like a decent guy.

At least he has his uncle looking after him and supporting him but as the judge says the boy needs his mother (and father if he’s still alive/around).

I've told this before on mumsnet. I was in crown court for sentencing day many years ago.

These two cases happened in quick succession. Neither defendent has any previous convictions.

First up a young man. He had had an argument with his girlfriend. Drove his car round aggressively, mounted a pavement and killed a pedestrian. Hot them at incredible speed. Smashed the victim's body to pulp.

Second a young woman with kids. She was a heroin addict. Her mum was a small time dealer. Her mum said she would give her some free heroin if she helped her make up some heroin wraps for the mum to sell. Which she did. The police were clear that the daughter was not supplying personally. She was just trying to get her fix

The judge gave them EXACTLY the same sentence. One for taking a life, one for doing a misguided favour for her mum to feed her habit.

Misogyny is rife in society. As women we are reviled, judged and controlled. Yet we are held to a higher standard and bad girls must be punished lest others follow their wicked ways.

Our justice system is deeply sexist.

That’s so sad 😢

Can I ask are you a lawyer?

And do you specialise in the under 18s?

Just curious as kids like this need people like you supporting them through these processes.

The judge is a woman.