4 young children stabbed in Annecy

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I looked for a thread on this but couldn't see one.

I'm absolutely shocked and sickened at this attack on these helpless babies.

I can't imagine what the mother/minder of the baby who was stabbed multiple times in their pushchair is feeling and I so hope the two babies who are critical pull through.

Just awful :( :(

Reading these kinds of stories really affect me. I have a 3.5 yr old and a 18month old and I just want to scoop them up and protect them forever.

Are you scared to walk past a mosque then?

@Hoppinggreen answered that one already 🙄 no of course not it’s a joke. But are you trying to imply that there is no difference in the levels of terrorist attacks between the two faiths?

No of course not. Don't be ridiculous 🙄

I think the point being made is its not about religion. Its about being from an unstable wore torn region.

@chilliplant634 so were you on the side of Assad in the Syrian civil war then? If there has been military interference that has made like ‘a living hell’ over there then Assad was against that. Your post to me reads that violent attacks from people in the Middle East is justified as there have been colonial projects there. You think faith has nothing to do with these attacks?

Er why are people defending him?! Wtf?!

No. But how did people like Assad and Saddam Hussein come to power in the first place? Even Osama bin Laden was trained by the CIA.

There is no justification. But war, and trauma fucks people up in the head and then terrible things happen. These are unfortunate and terrible consequences of destabilising and creating war in a region.

Nobody really cared until all the refugees starting walking across to Europe and shit started landing on their doorstep.

👏👏👏

@chilliplant634 so it is the wests fault. And when “shit like this” lands on our doorstep then it’s actually the fault of Europeans? Anyone who is killed or injured by someone from a war torn country is paying the price for colonialism?

Glad we have your opinion. All ills in the Middle East, even their dictators are the fault of the west. People living there and their leaders have no agency and are just responding to western provocation or training. This holds the same if you are Sadam Hussain or the man in the park stabbing toddlers. Incredibly patronising attitude to hold about people of the Middle East and narcissistic. Whatever they do is because of the west. They are not responsible. It’s all our fault.

I haven't seen a single post defending him.

They aren’t
Quote one post that does

You think saying you are afraid of a place of worship is a joke?
Also, according to The US government the greatest terrorist threat is not from Islam

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is.xml#

@Hoppinggreen well I’m talking about Europe and the U.K. where there have been multiple terrorist attacks carried out by islamists and funnily enough none by Christian’s.But please go on trying to make false equivalency.

Oh give over. You cant accuse anyone you disagree with as being a narcissist. Instead of dealing with the points head on, we have posters trying to deflect by shouting accusations of victim blaming. NOBODY is victim blaming. If you go back to the beginning of this thread, everybody was piling on to insinuate that this was another terror attack by a Muslim. Then everyone had a melt down when they realised that it was a religiously motivated attack carried out by a Christian.

Which brings me back to the most recent point: everyone will agree that these people are disturbed individuals. Where we disagree is that you believe only Muslims carry out these attacks and when a Christian does it then he must be a Muslim in disguise. Do you really think that years of war and strife will produce plenty of well adjusted and balanced people who will integrate seamlessly into our society??!

If we don't want to accept asylum seekers and refugees in our society and all the problems that come with them, then it logically follows that we should not be involved in creating them. Instead of getting involved in everybody else's politics and wars maybe we should focus on ourselves and our own country? Instead of spending billions on arming foreign armies maybe we can invest that in our infrastructure, health care and economy.

I've said what I had to say. If your whole narrow worldview is based on a superiority complex of your own race and culture then nothing can make you see reason.

I have never said only Islamist’s
carry out violent crimes. my previous comments said many men commit violent crime. I have said the terrorist attacks in the U.K. and Europe have been carried out by Islamist’s. Other then Brevik in Norway I can’t think of another terrorist attack that wasn’t carried out by islamists.

I am sceptical about the reason behind this attack being Christian, because we have no concept of jihad in Christianity. I attend church and am a Christian and I have never heard anything other then the need to be charitable and forgiving to others. Also we have had ‘Christian’ terrorists from the Middle East before that have turned out to be not as they seemed. As I said, let’s see.

and again you are misrepresent me, no I dint think tears of war will make balanced people. That’s why I don’t think we should accept so many young men as asylum seekers as they are likely to have perpetrated violence.

I am very anti war, was involved in the hands off Syria campaign. I agree we should not be meddling in other countries, but as we see now with Ukraine, we can’t help ourselves. I would like an insular country that did not involve itself with world affairs.

The thing is we can not have a safe high trust society, and a society that lets in hundreds of thousands of people a year that we have no ability to know their back ground. The two things are not compatible.

The reason why you can't think of many other "terror" attacks is because our media doesn't label them that way. This case is a prime example. What about the Christchurch terror attacks? Brevik? The acid attack on an old man walking home from the mosque. There are countless examples of these. But you never see these on the front page of the newspapers. I don't want to derail the thread, but I could link to hundreds of articles with incidents like these. The difference is that I don't use it to generalise about a whole society and decide they must all be a terrible bunch of people with terrible values.

I agree we should be less involved in world affairs and really think about and invest in shoring our own ship.

What about the Christchurch terror attacks? Brevik? The acid attack on an old man walking home from the mosque. There are countless examples of these. But you never see these on the front page of the newspapers.

Seriously? You think that the Christchurch attacks and Brevik weren't front page news? Really? Also weren't the elderly men set on fire rather than attacked with acid or was that a different case?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/23/man-charged-attempted-murders-fire-attacks-men-mosques-birmingham-london

All those incident were front page. L

I have never said they are at terrible society or have terrible values.
You are reaching hard. I have said that terror attacks in Europe are predominantly carried out for reasons of jihad.

It’s you who seem to have the view of the people of the middle east all being traumatised and without agency.

I can see that there are violent men, with anger and grievance that commit atrocities, using the excuse of Islam. My point hasn’t changed throughout the thread. My point is these men should not be in Europe.

Your point is a charting up of Christian terrorism to try to excuse Islamic terrorism and to take eyes off the fact that the man who stabbed these babies was a Syrian asylum seeker, a group you would like to excuse any agency as they are only reacting to western provocation and trauma. Rather then an evil nut case who stabbed a load of kids because he was angry and wanted to cause maximum pain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

Nobody is excusing anyone or saying that the attacker didn't have agency. I disagree when you say that most attacks are carried our with the motive of jihad. I think they are ALL disturbed nutjobs with difficult backgrounds. Not just the Christian ones.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/right-wing-terrorism-threat-europe
While this link does say that Islamic terrorism is responsible for over 60 of attacks it highlights the risks of far right white extremism as well

I haven't seen any evidence to prove he was Christian. He may very well be but I think we need to have an open mind that he could have stated 'Christian' on his asylum application to make it look more favourable towards him being granted asylum. Further investigation needs to happen on the subject.

However, if he was a Christian, then he could not be further away from Jesus' teachings if he tried so he certainly is not doing anything in the name of Jesus.

I find it is potentially relevant that he was refused asylum only a few days before this incident.

Be interesting to hear the outcome of his psychiatric assessment.

From a Christian area of Syria
His ex wife says he was a Christian
He referenced Jesus Christ during the attacks
He had been staying in a Church
Name suggests he was a Christian

What other evidence would you like? Him to be draped head to toe in crucifixes?
I am not saying the perpetrator did this because he’s a Christian but the facts very strongly suggest he is so unfortunately Christians are going to probably have to accept that in the same way people of any faith have to when something awful is done by someone of their faith

Pardon the pun, but you are doing the lord's work.

It isn't excusing, it's pointing out hypocrisy. Another biblical term.