Death of Emma Pattison and daughter

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Are we allowed to talk about this now?
Last thread was deleted. But surprise surprise - now confirmed as a murder suicide

Epsom College deaths believed to be murder-suicide https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64544884

Why do men do this?

It was so fucking inevitable. He will have done it for one of three reasons most probably

1. He is an arrogant, entitled narc whose business was failing whilst her career was thriving and he just couldn't bare it.
2. He was hiding something: financial ruin/affair/sexuality and it was about to be discovered
3. He was mentally ill. Least likely.

Same old same old. Poor poor woman and sweet little girl.

We are not far from Epsom and DD has several friends there - they are all quite traumatised and completely devastated. They will recover of course, but what a completely selfish cunt.

I knew it. I knew it as soon as I saw the headline.

from the BBC website It is understood that the couple was not known to Surrey Police.

Thank you @SoupDragon . Read it in a fit of rage and obviously skimmed it.

Thanks for the correction

@CraneBoysMysteries I just meant that the trigger might have been something that he felt justified in 'blaming' her for. Obviously he is a misogynistic, narcissistic, pathetic, murderous cunt - and there is NO reason beyond his entitlement when you boil it all down. Perhaps the phrase 'in the interest of fairness' was misguided - I certainly did not mean 'to be fair to him'.

Oh it's been deleted. Good.

We all knew it. Women know it instantly. The abuse Jean Hatchet got yesterday on Twitter for saying it was the usual disgusting bullying misogyny. What did they think was the likely answer? Carbon monoxide, a mutual knife fight, that she did it? Get real. This is the world we live in.

Poor woman and little girl. Another cowardly man.

And the thought that she managed to call a family member in distress but they couldn't get there in time.....

It would have been extremely dangerous for the family member to have entered anyway, I don't think it would have stopped him.

You're right. No reason beyond his own entitlement and seeing his poor wife and child as possessions of some sort

Affair? Divorce? Money problems? It matters not. The absolutely incomprehensible 'logical action' in his own brain will have been justified by some trigger as you say. Men's rage directed at women is just too common and unrelenting in the news at the moment.

Makes me want to hug my baby boys tight and promise for the umpteenth time to raise caring, empathetic, emotionally resilient, brave, vulnerable, strong with no fear of being seen as weak boys.

I looked up international evidence on familicide and of course 91 per cent of cases are perpetuated by men and though many factors are considered the key determinant is previous domestic violence and a need for control.

I didn't think the family friend could have saved them of course. Simply the horror of an escalating situation and fear for her life that meant she had time to call for help. Awful.

As for hugging baby boys tight. I thought that too. But it's a societal issue - see how many children have been exposed to pornography, rape culture and sharing stolen nudes, the culture that enables Carrick to be a serving police officer for 20 years and the cult of Andrew Tate. Mums hold their children tight. Quaking.

Someone I went to school with killed their daughter, and then themselves, to spite their ex partner. They'd separated because of his controlling nature.

Why it should be that men do this so much more than women I don't know. If it's a societal thing I'd be interested in knowing whether that statistic of 91% is similar across different cultures.

But regardless, it's a horrific thing to have happened. Can only hope the poor girl didn't know what was happening.

It's utterly horrifying. I wonder what it was like in that household - was he ordinarily controlling behind closed doors? Very troubling to think what the life of both the victims must have been like.

Men's desire to be the provider also plays into it especially, when it involves the middle class. The number that ultimately come down to a failing business is shocking. The killer often seems to think their life is over as they wouldn't want to live a poorer lifestyle because they have failed and think the family is better off dead than poor.

Seven years old and killed by her own dad. Horrifying.

We all knew it. Another family annihilation. Why can't these men just leave?

Poor little girl and her amazing, Mummy. He shot them. She called a relative that night in distress but it was too late. Coward scum.

The interview she did in Dec made me think when she said it had been a big change for all of them (the new job) and that he got a new job 'that wasn't meant to happen' It seemed like an odd comment & worried me that there was tension around that.

I wonder if she'd called the police instead of family/friend if they'd been able to intervene in time.

So unutterably sad xx

They wouldn't have been poor. His failed business would have been a drop in the ocean compared to what she was earning as head of Epsom College. And they just sold their house for £1.5 milion. Hecould quite easily have put his feet up and been a house husband and looked after his little daughter like any good man would have done in similar circumstances. Or started a new business, with the luxury of time, space and a lovely house to live in, provided by the school. Or done voluntary work. Or taken his share of the house and left and still been very comfortable.

This is all about ego and him not being able to take her being successful and feted in her career and being the breadwinner. Ego, misogyny and control. What a prick.

Strongly suspect this is true. Men are just not prepared to take a back seat to women much of the time.