EU referendum - in or out?

[juneau]

I used to be completely pro-Europe, but I'm now leaning firmly towards 'out' and the national mood seems to have switched that way too. So how would you vote?

[niceguy2]

The above is well worth watching from a guy who you would expect knows a bit more than the average man in the street.

Alas I fear the pro Brexiteer's will simply dismiss his expert opinion as total bollocks.

Not sure when we simply stopped listening to experts in their field in preference to people like Farage, Trump & Boris but here we are!

[Wynona]

In

[Fontella]

OUT!

[LeaveTheRoundAbout]

out

Niceguy - I think that people are able to look behind experts and research facts for themselves.

Particularly economics - it is an art not a science.

I have more faith than you that people will make decisions based on concept of sovereinty. They may not understand the concept and its growing impact on our Judicial system, but they will understand the feel of it as something that is impacting on their daily lives.

Even medical people should be questioned - long gone are the days when we just accept what we are told.

The best treatment should be sought from a number of sources and researched and then a choice made. Not listen to one expert. Dear Lord.

I had bcc skin cancer over ten years ago. I researched various options available and I decided to choose a newer technique. I researched and found someone who carried out procedure, against the initial consultant's advice. I don't have the disfiguring facial scar I would have had with his proposed surgery and I accepted the risk ratio of reccurence - it didnt and I'm now the past the five year risk of recurrence.

If you allow people their choices - they make them and take on risks.

The Remain side are pretending there are not risks to staying. The bigger risks are staying attached to a failing economic zone which doesn't listen and makes people suffer in its failing areas (Greece).

Experts are there to be listed to, however an informed opinion should be made by each person.

I accept your position is to remain, however this whole idea that to stay is the "wise" position is emperor's new clothes I'm afraid. Vested interests want us to remain.

I don't particularly trust anyone regarding politics - make your decision based on your own research.

Luxembourg home to various EU institutions, but also Europe's biggest tax haven - always sits rather strangely with me...

www.dw.com/en/luxembourg-the-eus-top-tax-haven/a-16729339

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financial-crime/12056620/IMF-head-Christine-Lagarde-ordered-to-face-trial-over-Bernard-Tapie-scandal.html
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/christine-lagarde-to-go-on-trial-for-failing-to-prevent-400m-fraud-a6777501.html

[oldharrysgame]

In

[NancyDecca]

In
We get a huge amount of inward investment as a country by being part of the EU - i.e. companies choosing to set up here , and the employment that brings.

[Step]

In - all the way

[supersoftcuddlytoys]

Out. Out and Out some more.....

[AugustaFinkNottle]

I was parked in by an idiot in the supermarket car park just now - they were parked almost diagonally across the space. There was a big "Leave" sign in the window. I was so tempted to leave a note saying "You park just like I would expect a Brexiter to park".

[OrangesandLemonsNow]

I was parked in by an idiot in the supermarket car park just now - they were parked almost diagonally across the space. There was a big "Leave" sign in the window. I was so tempted to leave a note saying "You park just like I would expect a Brexiter to park".

Please tell me aren't serious.

[AugustaFinkNottle]

I'm serious about the existence of the extremely badly parked car and the Leave poster - and indeed about the temptation I felt. Obviously I didn't act on it.

Fortunately for me another car moved so that I could get out. Had I been trapped for longer I might have given in to temptation.

[Ailicece]

In!!!

[SnowBells]

In.

There's no case for 'Out' really - hence, the constant focus on immigration.

Most of those I met who are for 'Out' are older. They don't care about the future.

[SnowBells]

Also... the one thing that is brought up here again and again...

The NHS is massively overrated. The UK is not the only country that makes healthcare access mandatory to all citizens. Otherwise... how do you think those British retirees can access healthcare in Spain?!?

[WaspsandBeesSting]

Most of those I met who are for 'Out' are older.

Most I know are under 45. I even know some, shock horror, 18 year old.

My 82 year old next door meighbour is voting remain.

They don't care about the future.

Maybe think before you post. It will stop you posting silly nonsense that way.

[SnowBells]

And all those people who want to vote on every. single. thing. politicians do... what do you think you vote politicians into parliament for?!?

You vote people in because you think they can do a good job. They will not always do what you want them to do, but how can they, when millions of people have voted them in? They can't please EVERYONE.

Would these very same people like to be micro-managed by their managers?!?

[OrangesandLemonsNow]

Wow ageist stereotyping now.

I thought those for remain were all supposed to be lovely?

[SnowBells]

WaspsandBeesSting

I wouldn't want my children to have less chances than I have. Who's going to fund places like Cornwall, Wales and N.I.? Do you really think the UK government would spend the GBP20 billion they'd be 'saving' on the UK?!? They won't.

[SnowBells]

OrangesandLemonsNow

It's not ageism. It's fact. Unfortunately. This picture was published in the Wall Street Journal.

[supersoftcuddlytoys]

What a ignorant, arrogant and bigoted post.

There's no case for 'Out' really - hence, the constant focus on immigration.

As an immigrant myself some 40 years ago, first and foremost, my (and many other people's) concern is the overt the incompetence and unaccountability of those faceless bureaucrats that are running the EU. The north / south divide of the continent. Economic stagnation. A currency that's being held together by a few reassuring words from Germany.. And the fact that: if you cant un-elect those that legislate for you and govern your lives - you live in a dictatorship. No matter how smart they dress it up.

Most of those I met who are for 'Out' are older. They don't care about the future.

How about the type of British nation that future generations will inherit? You know for a fact that none of those people voting 'out' might be motivated by concern over that? The fact that they'll be governed by rulers who don't have to seek a mandate from them? That's irrelevant is it?

So what of Immigration anyway? That dreadful taboo that dare not speak its name without some infantile buffoon bellowing accusations of 'racism'' the moment it's mentioned? So the UK taxpayer has no right to an honest discourse about pressing issues, such as - immigration policy, health care, and the global concerns orbiting around Islamist terrorism, during this debate?

[LeaveTheRoundAbout]

Suffering in Greece;
Our lowest paid competing with constant supply of new labour arriving from other EU countries.
Highly educated Eastern European graduates peeling spuds.

The poorer EU countries would do better without the constant easy draw of earning three times their local salary, peeling spuds in UK and improving their own communities. Might be nice for a holiday job - but is this really what we think a great society looks like?

We have our lowest paid completely disenfranchised - turning to UKIP because Labour has branded them racists.

This is the EU now; the future EU - will be more challenging as new countries are required to achieve Commissions' rules.

All these people are affected due to worry over the profits of huge multinationals aka Remain vote.

These companies will still trade and they won't be moving en masse - they are here because of social history; langauge; legal sytem; innovative ideas etc.

It will break up as the economies are too disparate - Mervyn King said the best thing for the EU Zone would be for Germany to exit - other countries will never achieve what is being asked of them fiscally and the suffering will continue.

It will either be social unrest or it will be the no more money can be printed as it has become valueless - not as mad as that may have once sounded - look at interest rates currently.

We are attached to a failing social experiment causing misery to lots in Southern Europe.

The Labour Party have nothing to say, except they wouldn't mind a nice £100,000 plus job serving at an EU instituion one day - oh and it's good for you numpties on zero hour contracts - you get holiday pay after three months for goodness sake.

[SnowBells]

A currency that's being held together by a few reassuring words from Germany.

Last time I checked my bank balance, it was still in Pound Sterling. Not Euro. So of no relevance to the UK.

If you cant un-elect those that legislate for you and govern your lives - you live in a dictatorship.

Do you actually really think that those EU bureaucrats can just do whatever it wants to do without the backing of elected politicians?!?

I'm not all for the EU. It has many faults. But that doesn't mean the UK is completely helpless against it.

[OrangesandLemonsNow]

snowballs stating that older people don't care about the future is not 'fact'!

Stating that the older generation are more likely to vote leave is a fact

Stating that the younger generation are more likely to vote remain is a fact.

As is older generation are more likely to vote younger generation aren't.

Also if you don't vote you can't complain about the outcome.

[wiltingfast]

Ffs the EU is run by the council which is full of.....heads of member states! Imagine! That's an elected politician btw.

The commission can propose laws but it cannot pass them.

That role belongs to the parliament and the council. Who is in the parliament? Oh that's right, the directly elected MEPs....

So wtf are people actually talking about?

[wiltingfast]

As for the commissioners, guess who appoints your commissioner? That's right yourselves government.